help my buddy?

**monstermasss** · 03-25-2006, 01:28 AM

i have a friend that recently shared cycle info w/ me from my gym, he said he has been on 3 year round cycle (CRAZY) unless training pro. i know this i stupid but whatever i want to help him out and baisicly his problem is he never used pct and now he is in serious cycle crash, gyno, very low test levels, and fat/water retention? what should i tell him to do i would think start w/ nolvadex and proviron and see if test levels come back? what about hcg how much i think its too late, right?

**C_Bino** · 03-25-2006, 01:38 AM

So is he off that cycle now? If so for how long?

**NEW_IN_THE_GAME** · 03-25-2006, 01:42 AM

Bump.. come on boys and gals help this guy out. I know he is dumb for the long cycle but come on, give him a hand.

**C_Bino** · 03-25-2006, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by NEW_IN_THE_GAME

Bump.. come on boys and gals help this guy out. I know he is dumb for the long cycle but come on, give him a hand.

What was the need for this? I have already addressed his post and awaiting a reply.

**NEW_IN_THE_GAME** · 03-25-2006, 02:15 AM

I see this then i see that the thread was started not too long ago. my badd bro. lol

**IBdmfkr** · 03-25-2006, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

What was the need for this? I have already addressed his post and awaiting a reply.

sorry made me laugh.

Btw, "what do five fingers say to the face?"

**Jet** · 03-25-2006, 10:13 AM

OMG, 3 year cycle!
I'm combating gyno from a 1 month cycle and it's tough.
Dude's gonna need some serious PCT.
I would try Arimidex over the Prov.

HCG :
Acts as an LH receptor agonist, thus substituing for LH. It does nothing to help the hypothalamus and pituitary. Thus, it can be effective during the cycle to help avoid testicular atrophy, but is not best used in the taper when one is attempting to restore LH production. Increases in natural testosterone , stimulated by the hCG, will act to inhibit LH production. Thus, you can see where hCG use is counterproductive in the taper itself.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...ntagonists.htm

**monstermasss** · 03-26-2006, 02:00 AM

yes he is off cycle now and its been i belive a couple months, i mean the dude is crazy you would think he would look like Branch Warren by now? but he doesnt (gynetics)! he is taking arimidex and i will get him some nolva but thats all i can do right? how long till his natural test is back to normal he tested at 62 or so (test level) i dont know what normal is?

**IBdmfkr** · 03-26-2006, 02:02 AM

I doubt he trains/eats anything like Branch, therefore he looks like shit and relies on gear to hold his bloated ass gains.

Besides that, yes he needs PCT bad until he feels his natural levels are back, then more bloodwork to see how he's doing. Sorry I just know a few guys like this and they make me laugh.

**BITTAPART2** · 03-26-2006, 03:36 PM

in a simular situation, but not as long as this guy,i am in week 3 of PCT and I am taking a long time to recover this time. it is my 4 cycle i am 30yrs , do you think i will ever get my levels back?

**Stumbo** · 03-26-2006, 04:20 PM

he needs some clomid. I normaly dont use clomid, but in this situation, i feel that he really needs somthing to get his system rolling quicker.

I agree that HCG is best left during cycle.

Proviron would be a good option as well, however, i would run letro at a low dose instead, say .75mgs e3d

My best advise would be to try to get ahold of some IGF. There are a ton of research chem sites that sell them. Its expensive, but well worth it, especially in his situation.

I dont know how much gear he was on, but I would try somthing like this:

Nolvadex 20mgs week 1-8 (or more)
clomid 100mgs ed week 1-2
clomid 75mgs week 2-6
low does letro weeks 1-8
IGF 60mcgs weeks 1-4

And done forget all the silly supps. They may not make as much of a difference as real drugs, but every little bit helps. I presonally like Tribulus, yohimbe, and ZMA.

I hope he gets back in line, some people can, some people cant. Its gonna cost some $$$, but neccessary. If he can afford to cycle, he can afford to post cycle.

Good luck!