Testicles are still little!

**fighterinsnatch** · 08-08-2007, 02:28 PM

Hey I've been off for about 5-6 weeks. I ran a 13week Test E cycle.

Week1-4 250mg a week
Week5-10 500mg a week
Week11-13 750mg a week

I waited 2 weeks and then started PCT. I ran Nolvadex at 60mg,40mg,20mg till now.

I can get it up fine but my testicles still appear small to me. I feel like I have sex drive and can ejaculate normally.

What gives?

Thanks

**PEWN** · 08-08-2007, 02:32 PM

maybe they are just small buddy.... lol jk....

that ws not a very good pct man...

**PEWN** · 08-08-2007, 02:32 PM

get some clomid.... or hcg ....

**rockinred** · 08-08-2007, 03:05 PM

If you can't get your hands on those.. give Myogenx a try... works pretty good for over the counter stuff.

**Lexed** · 08-08-2007, 05:04 PM

HCG man

**getpumped24** · 08-08-2007, 07:07 PM

nolva only is a bad PCT

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 08-08-2007, 07:54 PM

nolva only for pct is far from ideal. But...u probably have normal or close to normal test levels. I have had normal test levels while still having small balls. they will come back in time. but if you dont have BW to know yer test is normal, then u should get on HCG and nolva again with an AI and vitamin E. i FULL pct.

**x_moe** · 08-08-2007, 09:48 PM

run clomid, that should be fine.

**SilverToungedDevil** · 08-10-2007, 01:50 PM

i did hcg and by day four my balls were nice and plump. but you definately need some nolv, vit e, and aromasin if you are going to take it. i spikes your estrogen like crazy.

**Njord** · 08-11-2007, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by SilverToungedDevil

i did hcg and by day four my balls were nice and plump. but you definately need some nolv, vit e, and aromasin if you are going to take it. i spikes your estrogen like crazy.

Haven't heard about the estrogen spikes on hcg before. I'm guessing it is because of the raised testosterone aromatizing?
I have done hcg while on cycle with no ancilliaries, and I never noticed an increase in side effects.

**SilverToungedDevil** · 08-11-2007, 03:21 PM

"Estrogen is elevated by two ways from hcg use. Primarily from the sharp rise in testosterone , which allows more testosterone to aromatize to estrogen. Secondly hcg can cause a small amount of estrogen to be produced which is not from the result of aromatizing, and this is the reason that a combination of an anti aromatize and a estrogen receptor blocker such as nolvadex are ideally used. The nolvadex may also offer some additional benefit to help avoid a negative estrogen feedback to the hpta during hcg therapy"

**SilverToungedDevil** · 08-11-2007, 03:24 PM

"Unfortunately, while HCG increases Testosterone , it increases estrogen as well(12)...As you probably know, estrogen acts directly on the Leydig cells to effect changes in the activities of enzymes important for testosterone synthesis (13) and may actually be considered an important part of that negative feedback loop I mentioned earlier. In addition, an increase in circulating levels of LH have been shown to induce down-regulation of LH-receptors in both rodent studies (14), as well as in human studies (15); since HCG mimics LH, you can expect it to do the same. This LH downregulation can cause an increase in steroidogenic cholesterol (the cholesterol earmarked by your body for conversion into testosterone). (16). Thus, after the initial HCG induced surge in testosterone is over, if you have used enough to downregulate your LH-receptors and increase estrogen too much, then more steroidogenic cholesterol is available. This is telling me that less is being converted to testosterone. In fact, rodent models suggest that if you take a dose large enough to cause a sharp increase of plasma testosterone, you will actually desensitize your Leydig cells to your next shot, and will possibly not experience any rise in testosterone from the second dose at all, or may only experience a very slight one at best (17.). Since this is due to LH-Receptor downregulation, and that occurs in human models too, it is pretty fair to assume that if your first dose of HCG is too large, your second won’t be very effective. Unfortunately, this lack of an increase in testosterone doesn’t necessarily mean that the HCG may be unable to increase circulating levels of Estrogen (18) And remember that increase in Estrogen will (most likely) cause your body ultimately to produce less testosterone. Low LH post-cycle is not the primary cause of slow recovery, because LH generally rises to levels above baseline after a cycle much sooner than testosterone production does. This is probably because the pituitary is working very hard to get your atrophied Leydig cells to start producing testosterone again. HCG should also bring back testicular volume; I feel the need to mention this because it’s important to me and I suspect most men as well. "anthonyroberts

**2deizel** · 08-11-2007, 04:18 PM

i wish mine shrank im tired of sitting on them getting in and out of the car.

**dupa95** · 08-11-2007, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by 2deizel

i wish mine shrank im tired of sitting on them getting in and out of the car.

**pr0digy9daniel** · 08-12-2007, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicBoy1981

nolva only for pct is far from ideal. But...u probably have normal or close to normal test levels. I have had normal test levels while still having small balls. they will come back in time. but if you dont have BW to know yer test is normal, then u should get on HCG and nolva again with an AI and vitamin E. i FULL pct.

I would agree, I have never done levels as high as that, I am a newbie in this game. Nolva on its own, in my opinion sounds bad, because most people here seem to consider it best using an SERM in combination with an AI...