proviron better on cycle or on PCT or both

[bigracso]

my cycle:

1 week 300mg test prop
2 week 400mg test prop
3 week 700mg test prop
4 - 6 week 700mg test prop + proviron

I would to use Proviron on cycle for decrease my bf ... 100mg ED... about you is it right?

and I would to continue with proviron in PCT (4 week 20mg nolva + 50mg clomid) for 2 weeks to 50mg ... is it right?

[catdog]

No. Proviron for on cycle at 25 to 50 ed. Feel it out

[bigracso]

No. Proviron for on cycle at 25 to 50 ed. Feel it out

ok, thanks.

in PCT 100mg?

[Swifto]

ok, thanks.

in PCT 100mg?

Some claim Proviron is suppressive to users during PCT. This seems to range from person to person though. I seem to be ok, others arnt so lucky.

100mg/ED seems to be the higher end. I like 25-50mg/ED.

Try it and see.

[bigracso]

Some claim Proviron is suppressive to users during PCT. This seems to range from person to person though. I seem to be ok, others arnt so lucky.

100mg/ED seems to be the higher end. I like 25-50mg/ED.

Try it and see.

In fact my friends get proviron in PCT and they tell that the recovery is good than without proviron...

I'll get proviron on cycle 25mg ED and I'll continue for 2 week in PCT ... after I'll report you my experience.

thanks

[powerliftmike]

I used to use during PCT. Keeps you harder and very horny. Didnt really see a great benefit of its use for recovery tho, although it didnt hurt. I would normally run 100mg/dy

[bigracso]

I used to use during PCT. Keeps you harder and very horny. Didnt really see a great benefit of its use for recovery tho, although it didnt hurt. I would normally run 100mg/dy

how time 100mg day? and PCT how time was it?

[powerliftmike]

how time 100mg day? and PCT how time was it?

50mg in morn and 50mg in evening. Seemed to provide the most libido benefit. I would run all 4 wks. I dont use anymore tho, as I dont feel I recovered any faster and in theory it doesnt make sense to use an androgen during PCT. Small dosages have show to help out spermatogenesis with very, very low HPTA inhibition, however.

Definitely contraindicated if you have DHT-related prostate issues or hairloss.

[bigracso]

help me, Now I'm confuse ... you tell no proviron in PCT and to use it at 25-50-100mg/d on cycle ... my friends tell to use it in PCT for 2 weeks at 150mg and for all on cycle at 100mg .... follow in this respect:


Int J Gynaecol Obstet. 1988 Feb;26(1):121-8.

The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.

Varma TR, Patel RH.

Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, St. George's Hospital Medical School London, U.K.

Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assayed 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) luteinizing hormone (LH) and plasma testosterone were assayed once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH, LH and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.

PMID: 2892728 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.

Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.

Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S.

We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone , estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased. Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids , thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL. There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH. Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in T3 and increases in T3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)

PMID: 6437958 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Swifto]

Its dabatble.

I like it at 25-50mg/ED during PCT and have found it donest hinder my recovery.

Try it and see.

Using Proviron to lower SHBG while on cycle (I think) is pretty worthless, because of the amount of androgens we already have in our bodies (suprephysiological amounts). I also find it weak compared to AI's to combat estrogenic sides. So, personally, I find it only useful during PCT.

[Hexagon]

I always use proviron during testo cycles. It stops the estrogen sides and in my opinion it makes the testo work better, and it makes me leaner (burns fat). I never use it in PCT because I find it very suppressive.

In this series of studies mesterolone lead to a significant decrease in LH and testosterone levels

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proviron

[bigracso]

in this simple cycle (only test prop ED) I needn't a AI after all I use proviron for keep low the estro, is it fine?