Tren Stupidity

**Speeddmn7** · 06-25-2009, 11:34 PM

Well after doing alot of reading on this and other forums, i come to realize how stupid i was.

About a month ago i started a cycle of Tren E by itself without the proper knowledge. I took 200ml twice week for 2 weeks, well at the end of week 2 i had a serious problem, my body pretty much shut down so i stopped

I was having serious problems very shaky bad headaches, couldn't sleep or eat lost weight, and felt like death. I went to the doc and had my blood tested, turns out my test level was 150!!!!! a year ago it was 700.

well the doc said i probably didn't do any permanent damage but its a month later and i feel a little better but still feel like shit, very anxious and shaky if i dont eat alot

this was not my first cycle i did some test and eq about a year and half ago and some deca , dbol in my early 20's with no sides

my question is, would clomid or nolva help me even though its a little over a month later, i have no gyno problems but my training is shit and i have very little appetite and depressed and still very anxious

oh by the way im 27 5'9 220 lbs ( i was 235 before i stated 12 -13% BF)

i know how stupid it was but if anyone could help that would be great
thanks

**amcon** · 06-25-2009, 11:37 PM

get you blood retested

then come back with all the numbers...

until then their is little we can tell you about what your going through

i would feel the same way if i couldnt finish a cycle - but i would be crying a little more - he he he (that prob didnt help did it)

ok... def get back to us asap on you blood work

**amcon** · 06-25-2009, 11:38 PM

we should make this a must read for every noob

***T-MOS*** · 06-25-2009, 11:50 PM

YES, you should run a good PCT of clomid and nolva for at least 4 weeks if not longer

**bene7422** · 06-26-2009, 12:39 AM

yes I agree run a good pct and after that go get bloodwork done to see where your at

**Speeddmn7** · 06-26-2009, 12:13 PM

getting blood work done on tuesday, ill post the results, thanks for the replies

**Speeddmn7** · 07-06-2009, 02:19 PM

ok guys so heres the grim stats

Total T - 185

Estroidal - 72

Fsh 2.0

LH - 2.0

My plan is a good PCT of Clomid 50/50/25/25 and
Nolva 20/20/20/20

Any other ideas?

**pharmtech** · 07-07-2009, 05:21 PM

Personally, I would bump it to the following:

Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20

Recently, I used this PCT protocol and increased my total test from 527 to 1330 and my LH from 1.2 to 4.9. Best of luck!

**Speeddmn7** · 07-07-2009, 09:10 PM

ok so I started on clomid today 100mg however I was a little leary about the so called nolvadex i got, so i did some research and found out it wasnt nolvadex it was arimidex - little blue triangle shaped 1mg tabs.

will the clomid by itself be effective until i can get some nolva?
I doing 100/100/50/50

**ted666** · 07-13-2009, 04:44 PM

My total test level dropped down to 34 ng/dl and i didnt feel like that with no pct like an idiot i was 2months later its 230

**Speeddmn7** · 11-23-2009, 04:51 PM

ok so its been exactly 6 months and my new blood work came back

Total T - 232
Estroidal - 148
Tsh - .005

Those were the numbers my doctor is concerned with, i still feel like crap kinda depressed and my wood is pretty weak.

Any ideas????????

**darkcrayz** · 11-25-2009, 01:05 AM

maybe ask the doc for hcg to kick start test, since its not really going up fast. or maybe you did perm damage and time to look at hrt?

**BJJ** · 11-26-2009, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Speeddmn7

ok guys...

Total T - 185
Estroidal - 72
Fsh 2.0
LH - 2.0

Originally Posted by Speeddmn7

ok... 6 months

Total T - 232
Estroidal - 148
Tsh - .005

Those were the numbers my doctor is concerned with, i still feel like crap kinda depressed and my wood is pretty weak.

Any ideas????????

First of all you need to write the values range.
Then you should have checked also DHT, PRL, cortisol... just to name a few.

I would advise you to do another blood work (if you need a list just ask) resting three days prior the injection and going to be tested in the early morning with at least 8 hours of fasting.

**ted666** · 11-29-2009, 05:31 PM

i would see an endo doctor if i were you.

**BJJ** · 11-30-2009, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by ted666

i would see an endo doctor if i were you.

That should have been his very first move!

**Speeddmn7** · 12-04-2009, 04:57 PM

i seen an endo twice, he thinks i didnt do any permanent damage but he doesnt want to give me anything he seems to think my hormones will be fine in time, but who knows how long that will take , he says it might be up to a year. i ordered clomid and tamox, im gonna start in a week or so and see what happens

**ted666** · 12-04-2009, 05:18 PM

yeah give it a shot run them 3-4 weeks. you know what doses right ?

**Speeddmn7** · 12-09-2009, 05:59 PM

yeah i gonna run clomid 100/50/50/50 Nolv 20/20/20/20 hopefully that does the trick

**MotoLifter** · 12-09-2009, 06:59 PM

seem to have things sorta figured out. why did you wait so long to do something about it?

**darkcrayz** · 12-09-2009, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Speeddmn7

yeah i gonna run clomid 100/50/50/50 Nolv 20/20/20/20 hopefully that does the trick

keep us updated man. if that doesnt do the trick you need to find another dr that will give you something to replace.

**amcon** · 12-09-2009, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by ted666

i would see an endo doctor if i were you.

here is your answer - and looks like what ever you did really shut you down for good... that how it goes... you are now a good candidit for hrt/trt

get back to us with you results... this is a great read for all new bs that want to just do a quick cycle to "pump" their muscles up...

your test in my op - should be brought back up to the 700 range and you have good past blood test that show were you used to me... just a note my endo doc wants me up around 400 - 500 lol - that sucks ! but it is low normal...

good luck