Please... I'm a steroid rookie. Can somebody help me with PCT

[depfife]

Hello,
I am 6 weeks into my first cycle, and am so happy with it. I take 350mg/wk of testosterone propionate along with .5mg/day anastrozole. I am aquiring medicine for my post cycle. I heard hCG is very good. My suppier says he has- 5000 iu/vial , lyophilized powder... Can anyone give me any guidance on this? how much to buy, inject and how to use? Does anyone have a good experience with this stuff?
Any feedback at all, would be most appriciated!!! Neg. or Pos. Thanks So Much !!!

[D7M]

pct is something needs to be squared away, and on hand before beginning a cycle.

read this: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581
and get back to us with any questions.

fyi, you will need more than HCG in your pct, my friend.

[depfife]

Please,could anyone tell me what and how much to use, instead of my guessing? Please be specific...

[D7M]

No offense, but did you even read the link I gave you?

[depfife]

Yes, a lot for a rookie to grasp, but it appears most people run hCG during their cycle then something like Clomid post cycle...

[depfife]

And thanks for your words D7M... I appriciate them, and you for your help!!!!!

[D7M]

getting warmer! yes.

about three paragraphs down Swifto gives an example of a pct....

[D7M]

keep reading, and learning about what you're doing to your body.

I'm not trying to be dik, it's just much, much better for someone to learn about what they're putting in the body, and how it affects them,

then someone just saying, nolva/clomid for pct

[depfife]

3 paragraphs down from where? The pct link? There are no blogs there...

[D7M]

From the sticky......

Use an AI if you havent used one when "on" to lower estrogen, which is extremely suppressive (leydig cells) during PCT.

Use proven SERMs (Clomid, Nolva).

Use Tormifene, which is one of the best available SERMs for restarting a shutdown HPTA. Its also a 2nd GEN SERM and has less occular toxicity and geno-toxicity than both Tamox/Clomid and is VERY effective at raising endogenous T in studies as recent at Apr/2009.


Use HCG when "on" to maintain testicular size/function.

My advice is:

Steroid /ProHormone cycle causing HPTA shutdown (HCG may not be needed in cycles below 6 weeks IMHO)

Use HCG 125-250ius 2-3 times weekly. This will maintain testicular function by maintaining endogenous testosterone prodction and ITT (Intra-Testicular Testosterone). Using HCG throughout is the best protocol available IMHO. This is confirmed by Endocrinologists I have had contact with. It will also prevent the onset of testicular dysfunction by directly stimulating the testes.

After this peroid we then use PCT to restart GnRH from the hypothalamus and LH/FSH from the pituitary. When beginning PCT, switch to another AI also.

For more informtaion on HCG, see this thread I wrote: HCG - How important is it?


Example of PCT:

wk 1-5 Clomid 25-50mg/ED OR Torm 120/60mg/ED
wk 1-5 Nolva 20mg/ED OR Torm 60mg/ED
*Aromasin 25mg/ED OR Arimidex 0.5-1mg/ED

*AI's are not always needed, especially if one has been used to control estrogen (aromatse activity) during the cycle. There is a high risk of lowering estrogen too low and that can bring its own side effects; Lowered labido, aching joints, poor cholesterol and can negatively effect the immune system. We need some estrogen, not alot, not zero, but one cannot afford a too low an estrogen level at this time of PCT.

One should also add a cortisol reducer. The best most effective and cheapest way to reduce cortisol is Vitamin C. Take 1g apon awakening and a further 1-2g PWO.

Vitamin C, Cortisol Control and PCT

Tribulas or another labido enhancer (Proviron ).

Designer Steroid/PH cycle inhibiting the HPTA


wk 1-4 Clomid 25-50mg/ED OR Torm 60mg/ED
wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED

Trib or another labido enhancer.


Thats it. Read the sticky's.

There are far too many "What PCT" threads here.

[depfife]

You were/are so helpful. I will reread and study everthing you have given me.
I LOVE YA MAN !!!!!

[D7M]

no prob, bro.

anything other questions, ask away.

[depfife]

Swifto says use Tormifene. Does he mean Toremifene? spelling error?

[depfife]

Plus, Toremifene is a Estrogen Receptor PLUS used to restart HPTA / confused...

[D7M]

Toremifene, yes.

Its a SERM, and will block estrogen.

Very effective for restoring HPTA.