View Poll Results: Do you believe that HCG usage during PCT is counter-productive to the goal of a PCT?

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  • Yes - It is suppressive to your HPTA, and shouldn't be used in PCT

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  • No - It is a positive addition to the PCT, and allows testes to function fully

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    Reflections: my PCT protocol for prolonged HPTA suppression/shut-down

    Goals of my PCT:
    - Restore size and volume to testes
    - Recover HPTA from prolonged shutdown
    - Maintain as much muscle-mass as possible

    Duration of HPTA suppression: I’m basically coming off nine – ten months of straight AAS usage. (Cruising/Blasting)… Included long periods with 19-nors; combination of NPP & DECA & TREN for quite long bursts, so needless to say I was very shut down.

    Physiology prior to PCT: My testes were not been impacted significantly from the prolonged shutdown whatsoever; and atrophy was kept to a minimum (barely noticeable, if any) due to HCG at different intervals throughout the ~nine-month span. (IE) Months 2.5 – 3 (HCG @ 250iu/ed). I found these short little bursts of HCG to be very effective.

    What my PCT consisted of:
    - HCG (weeks 1 – 3) @ 500iu/500iu/500iu/ed
    - Clomid (weeks 1 – 7) @ 150/150/125/100/100/75/50
    - Nolvadex (weeks 1 – 7) @ 40/40/30/30/20/20/10
    - Aromasin (weeks 1 – 4) @ 20/20/10/5
    - Accutane (weeks 1 – 9) @ 10mg/ed

    Simple enough, right? It was a long PCT, but I definitely thought it was necessary for the goals I had set for myself.

    This is a breakdown of what occurred in a chronological order throughout my PCT. To clarify, I just detailed in a dairy basically the ‘impact,’ per say, of the PCT on weekly intervals, and thought some of you might be interested in hearing my experiences.

    (Weeks 1 – 3) Side Effects
    - During these first three weeks, I felt like a king, honestly I felt better then I have at the beginning of any PCT (but I kind of expected that since HCG usage).
    - Regained full size/volume/shape of testes within the first 2.5 weeks.
    - Experienced absolutely no PCT depression during this time, to be honest, I was horny as hell 24/7 it seemed, lol.
    - Little bit of acne on shoulders; however, I run accutane @ 10mg/ed so it was all gone within 5 – 7 days.
    - No erectile dysfunction problems whatsoever
    - Hot flashes (clomid side)
    - Blurred Night Vision (clomid side)
    - Weight Loss: 6 pounds in first 3 weeks

    (Weeks 4 – 5) Side Effects:
    - When I came off the HCG at the end of the 3rd week I began to feel pretty emotional. Let me rephrase that, extremely emotional (to be completely honest, ha..)
    - Significant drop in motivation (little to no desire to ‘want’ to work out)
    - Occasional hot-flashes
    - Lots of sweating when I was exercising & sometimes light-headed during cardio
    - Loved the fact that clomid was only @ 100mg/ed during this spurt of the cycle. I can easily handle that… it’s the 150mg/ed that really bites me with sides.
    - Weight loss: 2 pounds (~ 1.1 each week)

    (Weeks 6 – 7) Side Effects:
    - The last two weeks of my PCT were virtually painless; except for one embarrassing issue: ED
    - Significant drop in libido during this spurt
    - No desire to have sex; and even difficultly sustaining erections during this time. (very awkward, lol)
    - Occasional headaches
    **During this time, and for two weeks following the discontinuation of my PCT I experienced erectile dysfunction regularly, Viagra/Cialis were my best friends, lol.**
    - Weight Loss: 2.4 pounds


    Reflections on the PCT:
    - I truly believe that this was a very effective PCT. It was very long, and took quite a toll on my emotions and feelings; however, it was definitely worth it to fully recover
    - Found that by using HCG within the first couple of weeks; although it’s suppressive, it seemed to help with recovery, and probably sped it up imo.
    - 150mg/ed of clomid sucks. LOL.
    - Liked the addition of aromasin in the PCT, felt it made a very positive contribution for the first four weeks. Probably helped control estrogen a bit as well (from the HCG spikes of E2)
    - Total Weight Loss: 10.4 pounds (in two months)
    o Very significant weight loss; however, it was expected & muscle mass was still retained, strength did not take as spark a decline as I imagined, which was a positive.

    Would I do it again?
    - Yes, indefinitely I would follow this protocol in the future; the only thing I might change is incorporating the use of HMG as well, at the beginning of PCT.
    - That said, I’m not planning on doing long-cycles anymore, I’m getting tired of the highs and lows of coming off. From now on it’s going to be simple 6 week bursts, with a 4 week PCT following that.

    Blood-work Results: 3 weeks and 5 days (7:00am) after discontinuation of all SERMS

    Test Total: (Range: <4.5) – 3.25 nmol/L

    Test Free: (Range: <50) – 25.8 pg/mL

    Estrogen: (Range: <220) – 43 pmol/L
    Reference range: Anything below 220 = post-menopausal/hypogondal

    LH: (Range: <9) – 4.57 miu/mL

    FSH: (Range: <20) – 5.21 miu/mL

    SHBG: (Range: 10 – 70) - 41

    Progesterone: (Range: 10 – 200) – 98 ng/mL

    GGT: (Range: 10 – 58) – 33 U/L

    ALT: (Range: <50) – 40 U/L

    Ferritin: (Range: 15 – 180) – 31 ug/L


    I know this isn’t the most complete blood-work; but it does give a lot of hormonal information, and in my doc’s opinion it suggests that I have nearly 100% recovered from the prolonged period of HPTA suppression/ shutdown. loll..

    Before I ever started cycling I got blood-work done with placed my Total Test levels @ (range: <4.5) – 3.7. So although I haven’t reached my normal levels just yet, I am very close. Remember, I’m only ~3.5 weeks off cycle, so these numbers are great IMO.

    I'm getting a sperm analysis done in about a week; just to check where my 'swimmers' levels are at. I will update them in the thread once the results come back.. (I realize that would be important information for people trying to conceive!... just be patient, )

    Well anyways, long post, but honestly I hope this helps people out who are dealing with coming off prolonged periods of shutdown (or perhaps for people trying to conceive after being on cycle for prolonged-periods of time.)

    Have a good one boys.

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    VM, I read in another post to start the HCG 2 weeks before coming off test, is this what you did? I am just wondering because I have been on for awhile and will be for a little while longer, but when I do come off I want to know the best way.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wnt2grow View Post
    VM, I read in another post to start the HCG 2 weeks before coming off test, is this what you did? I am just wondering because I have been on for awhile and will be for a little while longer, but when I do come off I want to know the best way.....
    .. Man, you gotta ACTUALLY read what I wrote man! My outline is very clear, lol.

    I finished my cycle. It ended with Test-Prop, and 3 days after discontinuation of Test-P I began by PCT protocol.

    I used HCG for the first 3 weeks of the PCT, and then just a combination of SERMS for the following 4 weeks.

    Now, let me explain something... There is a process to look at before beginning a PCT from a long cycle.
    a.) how bad is your testicular atrophy?
    b.) how long were you shutdown for, and what compounds/duration?
    c.) did you ever use HCG and in what protocol/fashion?

    Hope that helps,

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    excellent post VM. Thanks for sharing that

    Your total test you said was 3.25 and I am wondering which number that translates into on a scale where 260-840 is the normal range?

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    (You convert nmol/L)... I don't remember the exact number that you need to multiply by.

    I'll try and figure it out later when I've got more free time, sorry bud.

    -VM

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    this is a great thread thanks vitruvian.

    bump!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMaleDawg View Post
    excellent post VM. Thanks for sharing that

    Your total test you said was 3.25 and I am wondering which number that translates into on a scale where 260-840 is the normal range?
    Testosterone
    ng/dL (conv factor 0.0347) nmol/L

    3.25/0.0347 = 93,66

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    AGE__________MALE_______________AGE_______________FEMALE

    7-9__________< 9 ng/dL______________________________< 15 ng/dL
    10-11________2-57 ng/dL_____________________________2-42 ng/dL
    12-13________7-747 ng/dL____________________________6-64 ng/dL
    14-15________33-585 ng/dL___________________________9-49 ng/dL
    16-17________185-886 ng/dL__________________________8-63 ng/dL
    18-39________300-1080 ng/dL______18-30______________11-59 ng/dL
    40-59________350-890 ng/dL_______31-40______________11-56 ng/dL
    > 60_________300-720 ng/dL_______41-51______________9-55 ng/dL
    ________________________________Postmenopause______6-25 ng/dL

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    one thing i have to ask though, did you keep shooting HCG until the gonads were full and hard ?

    in other words, is there a specific duration for using HCG ? or should one use it until testicular size is back fully ?

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    one thing i have to ask though, did you keep shooting HCG until the gonads were full and hard ?

    in other words, is there a specific duration for using HCG ? or should one use it until testicular size is back fully ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    one thing i have to ask though, did you keep shooting HCG until the gonads were full and hard ?

    in other words, is there a specific duration for using HCG ? or should one use it until testicular size is back fully ?
    Thanks SilverTest, I appreciate it.

    Bro, basically I started with 250iu/ed.... and then bumped up to 500iu/ed after about 4 days. I kept on that dosage (500iu/ed) for around 2.5 weeks.

    If you're following this protocol in the future, you could use HCG for less then 3 weeks (if this thats what you're trying to imply?)

    ^^ For example, if you use HCG @ 250 - 500iu/ed for the first 2 weeks of the PCT, and at that time you've noticed complete restoration of both size and volume of the testes, then you can discontinue the HCG, and use the combination of SERMS to raise your natty-test production.

    Hope that cleared up the question,

    -VM

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    Testosterone
    ng/dL (conv factor 0.0347) nmol/L

    3.25/0.0347 = 93,66
    That doesn't make sense though. 93.66nmol/L would put me out of range of the 18-39________300-1080 ng/dL age-demographic range.

    ^^ If I'm missing something please clarify! I'm just not seeing how this would be correct.

    -VM

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    I've just come off of 4 months Test Prop 100mg/EOD with no HCG during, just a kickstart the weekd leading to PCT.

    I used 625ius/ED for about 14-15 days. Also Aromasin 10mg/EOD.

    Then began PCT with 120mg/ED Tore and 20mg/ED Tamox. Still on it now, but dropped Tore and down to 10mg/ED Tamox. Getting BW done soon.

    Labido is back, AM erections, strength, sense of well being, confidence, energy etc... All fine. Been on PCT for 4 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man View Post
    That doesn't make sense though. 93.66nmol/L would put me out of range of the 18-39________300-1080 ng/dL age-demographic range.

    ^^ If I'm missing something please clarify! I'm just not seeing how this would be correct.

    -VM
    I do not know what to tell you man, I just worked on the numbers you gave us.
    You did not take neither androstenedione nor dht otherwise I could have done a cross check.

    I would suggest you to get another bw in another lab and see if there is a difference.

    Math is math, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    I've just come off of 4 months Test Prop 100mg/EOD with no HCG during, just a kickstart the weekd leading to PCT.

    I used 625ius/ED for about 14-15 days. Also Aromasin 10mg/EOD.

    Then began PCT with 120mg/ED Tore and 20mg/ED Tamox. Still on it now, but dropped Tore and down to 10mg/ED Tamox. Getting BW done soon.

    Labido is back, AM erections, strength, sense of well being, confidence, energy etc... All fine. Been on PCT for 4 weeks.
    That's good man. You should keep us updated, maybe post some of your blood-work results in this thread when you get them?

    That sounds like a solid PCT. I decided against Tore for this one. Definitely felt that Aromasin/Nolva/Clomid should be suffice IMO.

    The only real difference is that you were on cycle for only 4 months. When you stay on 7 - 8 months + is when you start to see significant problems with HPTA 'recovery..'

    I do have one question for you though bro... how'd you feel using the HCG at that high-dose for 2 weeks? I felt like I was a god, lol. I barely could tell I was on PCT.


    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    I do not know what to tell you man, I just worked on the numbers you gave us.
    You did not take neither androstenedione nor dht otherwise I could have done a cross check.

    I would suggest you to get another bw in another lab and see if there is a difference.

    Math is math, lol.
    Yah sorry about the DHT and other values that I didn't get checked... Blood-work is mighty expensive in the United States. And insurance won't cover it, so I'm basically posting all I can afford, lol.

    I'm not going to be able to get BW done for a while, so no re-test is possible... That set cost me $500 alone. lol.

    I will call the lab at sometime this point and ask about their reference ranges, and how to convert from them. Because clearly if I was initally at 3.7 Total-test (range = less then or equal to 4.5) then the numbers you proposed cant be correct. There must be some mistake.. (not saying your wrong or anything.. i just dont see how its possible.)

    Ill get back to you when I know more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man View Post
    That's good man. You should keep us updated, maybe post some of your blood-work results in this thread when you get them?

    That sounds like a solid PCT. I decided against Tore for this one. Definitely felt that Aromasin /Nolva/Clomid should be suffice IMO.

    The only real difference is that you were on cycle for only 4 months. When you stay on 7 - 8 months + is when you start to see significant problems with HPTA 'recovery..'

    I do have one question for you though bro... how'd you feel using the HCG at that high-dose for 2 weeks? I felt like I was a god, lol. I barely could tell I was on PCT.




    Yah sorry about the DHT and other values that I didn't get checked... Blood-work is mighty expensive in the United States. And insurance won't cover it, so I'm basically posting all I can afford, lol.

    I'm not going to be able to get BW done for a while, so no re-test is possible... That set cost me $500 alone. lol.

    I will call the lab at sometime this point and ask about their reference ranges, and how to convert from them. Because clearly if I was initally at 3.7 Total-test (range = less then or equal to 4.5) then the numbers you proposed cant be correct. There must be some mistake.. (not saying your wrong or anything.. i just dont see how its possible.)

    Ill get back to you when I know more

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    Yes please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man View Post
    That's good man. You should keep us updated, maybe post some of your blood-work results in this thread when you get them?

    That sounds like a solid PCT. I decided against Tore for this one. Definitely felt that Aromasin /Nolva/Clomid should be suffice IMO.

    The only real difference is that you were on cycle for only 4 months. When you stay on 7 - 8 months + is when you start to see significant problems with HPTA 'recovery..'

    I do have one question for you though bro... how'd you feel using the HCG at that high-dose for 2 weeks? I felt like I was a god, lol. I barely could tell I was on PCT.




    Yah sorry about the DHT and other values that I didn't get checked... Blood-work is mighty expensive in the United States. And insurance won't cover it, so I'm basically posting all I can afford, lol.

    I'm not going to be able to get BW done for a while, so no re-test is possible... That set cost me $500 alone. lol.

    I will call the lab at sometime this point and ask about their reference ranges, and how to convert from them. Because clearly if I was initally at 3.7 Total-test (range = less then or equal to 4.5) then the numbers you proposed cant be correct. There must be some mistake.. (not saying your wrong or anything.. i just dont see how its possible.)

    Ill get back to you when I know more

    -VM
    I didnt feel much different, a slight increase in labido 2-3 days after starting, but nothing significant.

    I noticed an increase in acne. That signalled to me that my testes were firing again as the acne could have been from elevated endo. T, estrogen or progesterone. After I knew they were online, I reduced my HCG too EOD, from ED.

    I didnt run HCG at any point during the cycle this time and seem to have recovered just fine. When I get my BW, I'll post it all here. Took my final dose of Tamox 10mg/ED last night. I wont take any SERMs again, then get BW done after 2-3 weeks from now. Or sooner, then again in 2-3 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    I didnt feel much different, a slight increase in labido 2-3 days after starting, but nothing significant.

    I noticed an increase in acne. That signalled to me that my testes were firing again as the acne could have been from elevated endo. T, estrogen or progesterone. After I knew they were online, I reduced my HCG too EOD, from ED.

    I didnt run HCG at any point during the cycle this time and seem to have recovered just fine. When I get my BW, I'll post it all here. Took my final dose of Tamox 10mg/ED last night. I wont take any SERMs again, then get BW done after 2-3 weeks from now. Or sooner, then again in 2-3 weeks.
    Cool stuff. Yeah, I never really notice any increase in acne, because I take acctuane as a preventative measure. lol. I felt that the HCG @ 500iu/ed did make my estrogen levels elevate. I'm not sure by how much... This is what went down:

    About a week and a half into my HCG protocol I began to feel sightly emotional, and wanted to cry almost (I know, lol, real.y weird.) I actually talked to pharmadoc about it and he thought it could probably be contributed to the rapid decline of hormones. It seemed logical, but for some reason I just thought it was estrogen... so I used a-dex @ 0.25mg after 2 shots (around 3.5 days apart.) I didn't get why the aromasin wasn't controlling my E levels @ 10mg/ed... so I thought arimidex was needed. However, after taking the a-dex I felt 100% better, and calmer.

    Good luck coming off the PCT bro. Keep us updated on results,

    -VM

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    Great info here VM!

    When I'm experiencing low libido during the end of pct (week 3-4), I get a bloodwork done, and usually it shows that my test level was still in the low end, around 350 (range 300-800), then when I feel my libido is back (usually after week 8), I do another test and it shows my test level is around 650+.

    You mentioned that during week 6-7 and up to 2 weeks after this, you were experiencing significant drop in libido, at what week did it come back to normal? Is it week 10?

    I'm guessing you're experiencing no libido up to week 6-7 is because your test level is not back to normal range, is this true in your experience?

    Also do you think AI alone can help suppress acne during PCT or is accutane still required? I never run AI or Accutane during PCT, and I get pretty bad acne breakout, I'm considering adding AI on the next PCT, low dose accutane seems interesting as well, but not sure if its really necessary if the AI by itself already manage to suppress most of it, I don't mind a few acne here and there, as long as its not a big mess..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coca Cola View Post
    Great info here VM!

    When I'm experiencing low libido during the end of pct (week 3-4), I get a bloodwork done, and usually it shows that my test level was still in the low end, around 350 (range 300-800), then when I feel my libido is back (usually after week 8), I do another test and it shows my test level is around 650+.

    You mentioned that during week 6-7 and up to 2 weeks after this, you were experiencing significant drop in libido, at what week did it come back to normal? Is it week 10?

    Sexual desire returned about 9 - 10 weeks, after discontinuing the cycle

    I'm guessing you're experiencing no libido up to week 6-7 is because your test level is not back to normal range, is this true in your experience?

    Actually, if you re-read, I said that I was EXTREMELY horny for the first 3 weeks. I was even fine until week ~4 - 4.5. However, for the month following this time, (IE) weeks 5 - 9 I had almost no motivation in bed, and needed viagra.

    Also do you think AI alone can help suppress acne during PCT or is accutane still required? I never run AI or Accutane during PCT, and I get pretty bad acne breakout, I'm considering adding AI on the next PCT, low dose accutane seems interesting as well, but not sure if its really necessary if the AI by itself already manage to suppress most of it, I don't mind a few acne here and there, as long as its not a big mess..

    It's your call. I wouldn't really use an AI during your PCT. You may want to try using one during your cycle first, and see if that helps to dry out your skin (IE) 0.25mg/ every 3 days. Accutane is the strongest acne medication out there, but it comes with it's side-effects, so research for yourself and establish what your cycling priorities are.
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    Thx for the answer

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    There's a lot of useful information here. Thanks for the post.

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    this post is very informative
    with the bloodwork to back it up
    thanks for taking the time

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    No problem boys, glad you guys enjoyed it/bumped the thread. (not to many people actually read anything in the PCT forum it seems, so bumping it seems to be an effective way of at least getting the material out there! lol)

    Anyways, thanks again, I appreciate it. I'll update sperm results when they return either late this week or early next week.

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    Bump... getting sperm analysis results back tomorrow hopefully!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man View Post

    Test Total: (Range: <4.5) – 3.25 nmol/L
    Are u sure those are correct units???

    3.25 nmol/L is absurdly low. Your sitting on 94ng/dl....

    dude under 250 ng/dl and your considered a very likely TRT patient.

    Double check for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevey_6t9 View Post
    Are u sure those are correct units???

    3.25 nmol/L is absurdly low. Your sitting on 94ng/dl....

    dude under 250 ng/dl and your considered a very likely TRT patient.

    Double check for yourself.
    I agree.

    Normal range of nmol/L is 10-30. Then you can convert it into ng/dl using the correct forumula (which I dont have as I'm at my GF's!!).

    I'm going to guess and say its around 0.065... Or 0.65. F*ck knows, what is it!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevey_6t9 View Post
    Are u sure those are correct units???

    3.25 nmol/L is absurdly low. Your sitting on 94ng/dl....

    dude under 250 ng/dl and your considered a very likely TRT patient.

    Double check for yourself.
    Reflections: my PCT protocol for prolonged HPTA suppression/shut-down

    I know. I've already discussed this in the thread. Yes I'm positive that I'm reading my blood-test results correctly. lol.

    And no I'm not a TRT patient. I have quite high natural levels if you look at the possible range. >4.5 and I'm at 3.7... just think about it for a second bro, it doesn't take a doc to analyze/interpret that, LOL (I am interested in what the lab tells me when I ask about the range tho. thx for the concern )

    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    I agree.

    Normal range of nmol/L is 10-30. Then you can convert it into ng/dl using the correct forumula (which I dont have as I'm at my GF's!!).

    I'm going to guess and say its around 0.065... Or 0.65. F*ck knows, what is it!?
    I think that's around the number. ~0.65 or somewhere around there.

    I want to call my lab to get the actual answer to this question from them. There must be some sort of difference in the conversion or something. It's not like I'm mis-reading this, and my doctor already interpreted it, and said it looked excellent. Soooo I'm not too sure.

    I've got some spare time tomorrow, so perhaps I'll call then.

    Did you get your BW results back yet swifto? or are you waiting a couple more weeks bro??

    -VM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    I agree.

    Normal range of nmol/L is 10-30. Then you can convert it into ng/dl using the correct forumula (which I dont have as I'm at my GF's!!).

    I'm going to guess and say its around 0.065... Or 0.65. F*ck knows, what is it!?
    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man View Post
    Reflections: my PCT protocol for prolonged HPTA suppression/shut-down

    I know. I've already discussed this in the thread. Yes I'm positive that I'm reading my blood-test results correctly. lol.

    And no I'm not a TRT patient. I have quite high natural levels if you look at the possible range. >4.5 and I'm at 3.7... just think about it for a second bro, it doesn't take a doc to analyze/interpret that, LOL (I am interested in what the lab tells me when I ask about the range tho. thx for the concern )

    -VM
    the ranges they gave you are wrong for total test levels. 9/10 they shud be 200-1200 ng/dl or 8-21 for nmol/l.

    To conert nmol/l to ng/dl you simply times your nmol/l result by 29.

    You dont have quite high natural test levels if your levels are 3.7nmol/l
    , infact its the lowest number ive ever seen anyone get here on this board.

    Im guessing as you feel normal, they either messed up your results or units because your dik would be dead

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    What a confusion.

    Testosterone TTL
    . nmol/L: x1
    . ng/dL: x2
    . conversion factor: 0.0347

    So: x1/0.0347 = x2

    In the OP case:
    3.25/0.0347 = 93,66

    Furthermore, VM, if you take a look @ my BW last year before my very first use of aas, you can read a similar starting point with total testosterone but in "ml" and not "dl".
    The difference is substantial.

    Let us know any news...

    HORMONAL
    GASTRIN: 31 pg/ml [28-125]__________________________________________________ _________________________33
    MELATONIN: 47 pg/ml [20 - 85]__________________________________________________ ______________________50
    C-PEPTIDE: 1,2 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]__________________________________________________ ___________________1,25
    INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]______________________3,6_________3,04_________________________________2,39
    GLUCAGON: 55 pg/ml [40-130]__________________________________________________ _______________________55
    ACTH: 20 pg/dl [till 50]__________________________________________________ _____________________________21
    CORTISOL: 12,53 mg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]__________________________________________________ ______13,64_______18,7
    FT3: 3,48 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]__________________________________________________ ______________4,82_______3,13
    FT4: 1,26 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ ________________1,29_______1,16
    MSH: 9,7 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]__________________________________________________ _________________________9,8
    HTG: 7,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]__________________________________________________ __________________________6,61
    TBG: 18 mcg/ml [15 - 32]__________________________________________________ ___________________________18,6
    TSH: 2,92 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]__________________________________________________ __________3,88________3,92
    FSH: 4,16 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_______________________2,09________2,56_____________________1,42________3,9
    LH: 3,80 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_________________________2,19________2,58_____________________2,61________4,84
    PREGNENOLONE: 155 ng/ml [10 - 230]__________________________________________________ ________________160
    ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,77 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]__________________________________________________ ____________1,79
    ALDOSTERONE: 180 pg/ml [10 - 160]__________________________________________________ _________________184
    DHEA: 7,3 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]__________________________________________________ _________________________6,2
    DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl [106 - 464]_______________________209_________209,6________________________________221,6
    DHT: 71 ng/ml [31 - 146]__________________________________________________ ___________________________70
    TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]___________0,72________0,61_________________________________6,29 <<<----------
    TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml [8 - 47]______________5,2_________4,8_______________________9,6_________13,5
    SHBG: 38 pg/ml [13 - 71]____________________________10__________<0,1_________________________________36
    ESTRONE: 47 pg/ml [40 - 60]__________________________________________________ ________________________45
    ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 36 pg/ml [<20 - 47]__________________________________________________ __9__________30
    ESTRIOL: 5,7 pg/ml [4,7 - 7,1]__________________________________________________ _______________________5,5
    PROGESTERONE: 0,93 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]__________________________________________________ _____________0,87
    PRL: 9,88 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]__________________________________________________ ___________12,78______13,05
    IGF-1: 190 ng/ml [96 - 424]__________________________184_________163__________________________________392
    HGH: 0,2 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]____________________________<0,1________<0,1_________________________________0,3

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    Hi! This is really informative. I hope to get more updates from you because I am working on a research too and I am wondering what would be the results of your inquiry. Thanks.

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