Swifto please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pct trouble!!

**2009MrTeenTN** · 06-10-2010, 11:19 PM

i am 19 years old, 2009 Mr. Teenage TN
i came off steroids around the end of january beginning of Febuary cold turkey stop. i did not use a post cycle, took some nolvadex when i can off about 3 weeks later went through a bottle (Tamoxifen ). Had my levels checked last month estrogen was low but my testosterone was about half of normal. in the last 2 months have experienced loss of sex drive and erection and get tired easily. i have experienced also loss of testicular size. my plans are to now do 500iu a day of HCG for 3 weeks along with 1000iu a day of Viatmin E to help the HCG. i was also planning on taking 20mg/a day of aromasin for 4 weeks and 20mg/a day of nolvadex for 6 weeks along with the hcg
(that combination of anti-estrogens do to the fact nolvadex will greatly decrease the blood plasma levels of letrozole and armiadex and aromasin cuts off estrogen production totally)

i was also planning on taking dostinex do to the fact i think my prolactin is messed up do to trenbalone use(at times i shake especially when i get slightly cold) and like i said erection problems.(.5mg twice first week moving up to 1mg twice per week 5-6 weeks)

i was told by the doctor me being 19 years old eventually my levels will go back to normal if i just leave everything alone, but im not waiting and im not settling for that bs when i know i can do something about it.

NEVER NEEDED HELP S0o0o BAD IN MY LIFE!!!
do you think my idea of PCT is a good idea? please leave feedback asap!

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
5 20mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

**Swifto** · 06-11-2010, 08:30 AM

How long and what doses did you use the AAS? How long ago?

I dont think you need HCG , your testes are firing now as your endo. T is almost normal.

What are your blood test results? Everything? Estrogen, DHEA, prolactin etc...?

Have you learnt your lesson to not use AAS at "19 years old?".

**ghettoboyd** · 06-11-2010, 08:39 AM

thay will never learn bro cus thay where brought up in an instant gradificational society....what with the instant oatmeal,instant pudding,instant potatoes,ect why work for it natty when there instant muscle in the form of a shot or a pill?....im shure all the other young ones will disregard this warning thinking it wont happen to them....the op obviously had a good base of muscle and knowledge of diet and he still messed himself up so please peeps dont think you can outsmart the possible outcomes of cycling to young.....

**Triple Stack** · 06-11-2010, 01:10 PM

The HRT section is thataway...

**2009MrTeenTN** · 06-11-2010, 05:32 PM

they said test was half of normal for my age, he said if my estrogen gets any lower he will need to test me for heart disease so obviously its low, they want to check my prolactin but i know its messed up, always had gyno thats why i started working out but it at one was lactating so it may be getting better but was deffinately messed up, i honestly think i need to do some sort of therapy but i mean you are the expert so you are pronbably right, yes i started to young yes i came off wrong yes im a dumb ass but i always learn the hard way, time to get myself back to normal and natural

**2009MrTeenTN** · 06-11-2010, 05:35 PM

july 2009 to around january 2010 test cyp 1 1/2cc twice a week for contest prep test prop every other day 1 cc, around october to november did tren up to around january 1cc every other day then i changed tren to equipoise 1 cc every other day, the doctor said we need to check my prolactin but havnt done so yet, what is your expert advice on all this?

**MrGreen** · 06-14-2010, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by 2009MrTeenTN

july 2009 to around january 2010 test cyp 1 1/2cc twice a week for contest prep test prop every other day 1 cc, around october to november did tren up to around january 1cc every other day then i changed tren to equipoise 1 cc every other day, the doctor said we need to check my prolactin but havnt done so yet, what is your expert advice on all this?

Mg/Ml would be a good idea rather then just volume amounts.

**2009MrTeenTN** · 06-11-2010, 05:37 PM

i was huge naturally worked my ass off for what i had finished bad in my first bodybuilding show couldnt get my bf percent low enough so i said **** it goin to winni and test and it just went from there, im ashamed and non the less embarrissed, i was 2009 Mr Teen Tennessee but now life is different working full time own a business instead of bodybuilding, need to get myself normal again so i can go back to natural bodybuilding

**Vitruvian-Man** · 06-11-2010, 05:43 PM

I would just do another standard PCT bro... Wait like 3 weeks after you're done the month long PCT, and get blood-work done..

This is how I would lay it out:

Nolvadex : 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 100/75/50/25
Aromasin : 20/10/10/10

Those are MG/ed and weekly values as well. You can opt to drop the aromasin if you'd like.

You might want to consider also buying a bottle of viagra or cialis just to help w/ the ED problems temporarily.

-VM

**Triple Stack** · 06-11-2010, 07:28 PM

I second all the above, especially the viagra/cialis. I always have some on hand.

I'm no saint either, my first cycle was Anadrol only at 20 years old & I was shut down afterwards for a long time. Lost my girlfriend at the time & psychologically I couldn't have sex for about a year; I always psyched myself out of an erection from fear of non-performance...but I was young and bounced back eventually.

You're young & if you do the PCT you'll get back to normal but it may take up to 4 months. At least with me & my friends it takes about that long (but we're old fogeys). I know that sucks but there is a resolution.

Also, go see you're doc & do what he says, and be straight with him if you haven't already. He'll probably send you to an endocrinologist and they should be able to fix you up. It worked for my bro-in-law.

I find the hardest part is staying off the juice (it feels so good!) but be strong & see it though.

Good luck!

**2009MrTeenTN** · 06-13-2010, 01:53 AM

so you wouldnt think id need hcg VM? and i also hear that nolva and clomid do around the same thing that clomid you just have to take more of to get the result but i also hear that clomid does a good bit to stimulate the testis? im not sure my buddy who we used to do this shit together he took it 4 months after his last injection and he was on the works tren mast test winn you name it and clomid brought him back quick so that is giving me more hope, i was just wanting to do as i showed as far as a PCT but i dont know if i need to add the clomid to it or stay HCG Aromasin and Nolvadex ?

**2009MrTeenTN** · 06-29-2010, 09:52 AM

ok so clomid and nolva are bringing my boys back very well, my labido has increased 90%maybe even a 100% within the first daily dose, does this mean my testosterone is comming back?

**Vitruvian-Man** · 06-29-2010, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by 2009MrTeenTN

ok so clomid and nolva are bringing my boys back very well, my labido has increased 90%maybe even a 100% within the first daily dose, does this mean my testosterone is comming back?

No. It means that you now have SERMS in your system..

Do the whole PCT the way it was laid out to you, and run it for the entire duration.

Once you're done, wait a couple of weeks, and see how you feel.

-VM

**Swifto** · 06-29-2010, 12:05 PM

There is absolutely no need for an AI during PCT, unless HCG is being used as the increase in estrogen and androgen levels can further inhibit the hypothalamus and slow or stop LH and FSH production.

Why should one use an AI during PCT if estrogen is already veru low due to lack of aromotase. 70-75% of estrogen comes from aromotase, the rest is from bones, adrenal glands, skin, testes etc... An AI is simply not needed.