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    Akp
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    Combating estro rebound - help appreciated

    After test+npp cycle (8 weeks) and proper pct (6 weeks), I jump on triazole + act extreme (5 weeks), then daa + erase + titanium (5 weeks) - everything goes perfectly well until the second stack ended...

    Then my bf started to raise and I got weaker in the same time, next I started to feel gyno sympthoms, which raised to major gyno issue.

    I've been using a-dex and tamox for two weeks and it helped. Im trying to tapper down the doses but every time I'd like to stop ai I slightly feel the gyno again ! (not to mention that I feel and look like shit and Im waaay more "sensitive" - which can be a sign of extremly high estrogen)

    Am I right it is estro rebound? How much time do I probably have to continue the ai? The ai theraphy is the best what I can do? What If I like to jump on cycle?

    I am really frustrated, I am even wondering If doing on the light cycle while tappering ai's and then reseting without messing with erase etc. wont be better option ?

    Looking for your opinions

    Best regards,
    Akp

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    (I have small old gyno, Im very gyno prone but on the cycle I was using only : 0.3 a-dex e2d, and on pct 40/20/20/20/20 tamox and was perfectly fine. Now Im using: 0.3 a-dex ed, and 20 tamox ed)

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    Dont cycle, no need to do that at all.

    You need to correct the inbalance.

    Can you get BW done asap?

    Estrogen (all), progesterone, prolactin. Main one's. If you can get a full blood panel, get it all done.

    You're doing the right thing. Stay on the Arimidex /Tamox and taper both of them. Try to get off the Tamox before the Adex.

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    Thanks for answer!
    I'll try to get BW done as fast as I can.

    PS. I guess It would be really moronic behaviour if I would like to start some cycle without waiting for full balance, but..

    The point is that jumping ON right now is important for me (calendar wise), so Im wondering if on some conditions (BW control etc.) low aromatization cycle with higher ai support at the beggining and slow tapper down (while being ON) will be absolutely conterproductive or not? (I mean if any amount of test will bring estrogen to the roof?)

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    I've got BW Swifto,
    not as bad as I thought, but keep in mind that I was on ~1mg a-dex, 20mg tamo/ED 3 weeks prior to the BW!!!, and 2,5mg Bromo/ED 1 week prior to BW. My estro is still to high though, Prolactin is no existent due to Bromo i guess, which I discontinue today (So it will be in normal-low range I guess).

    BTW, I started feeling way better. From today I'll try to cut off 20mg tamo, and lower the a-dex to 0.5 ED.

    TSH 3,602 μIU/ml 0,550 — 4,***
    (FSH) (L65) 2,49 mIU/ml 1,40 — 18,10
    (PRL) (N59) ¯ 0,40 ng/ml 2,10 — 17,70
    (LH) (L67) 6,89 mIU/ml 1,50 — 9,30
    A1 Estradiol (E2) 39,40 pg/ml 11,60 — 41,20
    A1 Testosteron (TTE) 567,0 ng/dl 241 — 827

    What are your recomendation ? What could be the reason of still maintaining so high estrogen? FSH is at low-normal due too much anti-e, right?
    Last edited by Akp; 11-14-2011 at 05:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akp View Post
    I've got BW Swifto,
    not as bad as I thought, but keep in mind that I was on ~1mg a-dex, 20mg tamo/ED 3 weeks prior to the BW!!!, and 2,5mg Bromo/ED 1 week prior to BW. My estro is still to high though, Prolactin is no existent due to Bromo i guess, which I discontinue today (So it will be in normal-low range I guess).

    BTW, I started feeling way better. From today I'll try to cut off 20mg tamo, and lower the a-dex to 0.5 ED.

    TSH 3,602 μIU/ml 0,550 — 4,***
    (FSH) (L65) 2,49 mIU/ml 1,40 — 18,10
    (PRL) (N59) ¯ 0,40 ng/ml 2,10 — 17,70
    (LH) (L67) 6,89 mIU/ml 1,50 — 9,30
    A1 Estradiol (E2) 39,40 pg/ml 11,60 — 41,20
    A1 Testosteron (TTE) 567,0 ng/dl 241 — 827

    What are your recomendation ? What could be the reason of still maintaining so high estrogen? FSH is at low-normal due too much anti-e, right?
    Whats your bf%?

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    Thanks for response,
    hard to tell exactly. I'm rather strenght oriented but with strict diet I have a nice six-pack in August (~170 pounds at 5.9 feet --> reduced from ~200 lbs). Now I feel the same as I look - awful. The BF% is not terrible, I could see slight outline of 4-pack, but looks really puffy, the weight is no more than 185 pounds atm.

    I could add that I was always gyno-prone, and have old small gyno.
    Last edited by Akp; 11-15-2011 at 01:18 PM.

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    BUMP. I could add that cutting bromo actually cause that gyno issues are coming back! Now im really confused, anyone?

    I also recall that my Blood work just after pct and boosters (is was from work so just test and estradiol) shows exactly the same test - around 600 (240-800 scale) and estradiol around 40 (11-40 scale)!
    Last edited by Akp; 11-16-2011 at 03:38 PM.

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