PCT for 12 Week Test/EQ Cycle

**bflawless** · 04-04-2013, 06:21 PM

Wanted to get some opinions on PCT for a 12 week Test/EQ cycle. I ran HCG with my last cycle (Test/Deca ) along with Tamox and Letro. Had no side effects other than mini-me not getting rock hard about 10 days after getting off the deca, but that's to be expected. Also thoughts on starting EQ a week before and ending a week early vs the Test, since I've heard it takes a bit to kick in. Thanks guys.

**austinite** · 04-04-2013, 06:24 PM

Not sure why you're wasting your time with EQ... but,

Clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20

**bflawless** · 04-04-2013, 06:26 PM

Thanks bro. But in your opinion why 86 the EQ?

**austinite** · 04-04-2013, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by bflawless

Thanks bro. But in your opinion why 86 the EQ?

It's a fairly worthless compound. All it does is increase appetite. In order to get decent results from EQ, you would have to run it at very high volumes. Unfortunately that comes with ill effects. In some cases, dangerously elevated RBC's. Even at high doses, gains are very very minimal. So the only real added benefit is increased appetite for those who want to bulk, and for that I would suggest B12 as an incredible alternative.

In my opinion, the absolute most worthless compound ever used by man.

**bflawless** · 04-04-2013, 06:39 PM

That's good to know. My main goal over the cycle is to bulk and I've learned that it's hard for me to consistently take in enough protein with a ~40/40/20 split. B12 sounds interesting, I'll definitely look in to it, thanks!

**Patryn** · 04-04-2013, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

It's a fairly worthless compound. All it does is increase appetite. In order to get decent results from EQ, you would have to run it at very high volumes. Unfortunately that comes with ill effects. In some cases, dangerously elevated RBC's. Even at high doses, gains are very very minimal. So the only real added benefit is increased appetite for those who want to bulk, and for that I would suggest B12 as an incredible alternative.

Please post your source/evidence. I'm looking at dozens of articles which disagree. I've had good effects, but only when using it for 15+ weeks (Yes, I agree that it's worthless for a 12 week cycle, but saying it's worthless overall...)

**MickeyKnox** · 04-04-2013, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

it's a fairly worthless compound. All it does is increase appetite. In order to get decent results from eq, you would have to run it at very high volumes. Unfortunately that comes with ill effects. In some cases, dangerously elevated rbc's. Even at high doses, gains are very very minimal. So the only real added benefit is increased appetite for those who want to bulk, and for that i would suggest b12 as an incredible alternative.

In my opinion, the absolute most worthless compound ever used by man.

lol!

**bflawless** · 04-05-2013, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Patryn

Please post your source/evidence. I'm looking at dozens of articles which disagree. I've had good effects, but only when using it for 15+ weeks (Yes, I agree that it's worthless for a 12 week cycle, but saying it's worthless overall...)

So you'd recommend a 16 week cycle when adding EQ? I can deal with that.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-05-2013, 08:41 AM

Not to disparage Austins comments (we banter about this occasionally..lol) but EQ doesn't seem to work very well for everyone. HOWEVER, if used with appropriate amounts, long enough, diet is in check, and your expectations are reasonable, you can see some solid gains.

I tested it for myself using a relatively large amount for 16 wks (and a small amount of Test for a base) and an average diet, nothing spectacular, and made gains of 20lbs. I kept 16lbs. Gains were slow and steady.

I personally did not experience high BP that i kept on top of with a BP monitor that was calibrated with my doctors office. I did not check my RBC's so i could have been suffering from polycythemia and not known it. I did not perform any bloodletting/self bleeding.

This is my personal account. Your experience may vary depending on several factors. But if you do decide to try it, run it out for 16wks plus and use at least 700mg/wk.

My .02

**Patryn** · 04-05-2013, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by bflawless

So you'd recommend a 16 week cycle when adding EQ? I can deal with that.

Yes. I generally use the recommended dose of 400mg/week but again, everyone is different. You may have a higher dosage "sweet spot" like Mickey. Also, keeping 16lb worth of (i hope mostly LBM) gains on a 16week cycle is pretty impressive IMO unless this is your first cycle or you've still got noob gains.