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    Question What PCT is really necessary? and..?

    First of all, should PCT really be called PCT? in case of Dbol , it is not uncommon to take, for example, Nolvadex for the whole cycle (and thus, called ALL-cycle therapy)...

    also, should one stick with the clomiphene/tamoxifene or one should aim for more powerful stuff, such as Anastrozole?

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    Hey bro,
    PCT is def necessary, try a cycle with out it and you open pandoras box for alot of problems. With the amount of questions you have about Pct, I suggest you dive into the Pct stickies and really start doing your homework and then ask some specific questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Brown View Post
    Hey bro,
    PCT is def necessary, try a cycle with out it and you open pandoras box for alot of problems. With the amount of questions you have about Pct, I suggest you dive into the Pct stickies and really start doing your homework and then ask some specific questions.
    Agreed^^

    OP, you've demonstrated a scary lack of knowledge regarding many things relating to AAS in that post. You need to do some reading.

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    -what are you talking about? I was just contesting the name, emphasizing the fact that therapy should, in some cases, be conducted for a whole cycle, rather than merely in post-phase. it's the opposite of what you are understanding. I think it's more than essential, it'a must-have.

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    -amount of questions? One qualifies as an amount?

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    Guys he may be talking about a dbol only cycle? I would never recommend that but that is the only reason to use a serm on cycle as oppose to an AI..... well gyno 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim230027 View Post
    Guys he may be talking about a dbol only cycle? I would never recommend that but that is the only reason to use a serm on cycle as oppose to an AI..... well gyno 2
    what I am asking is the other way round: if in fact one shouldn't always use an AI rather than a SERM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem

    what I am asking is the other way round: if in fact one shouldn't always use an AI rather than a SERM.
    Only if you do not need to control estrogen. An AI will lower circulating estrogen in the body were nolvadex only competes for the receptor in your mammary gland not reducing circulating estrogen

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    so, for example, in a cycle like this (which is, indeed, what someone has suggested me, a complete beginner to AAS):

    6 weeks dbol 20 to 30mg a day, if the dbol is good, you will make gains.
    take 20mg nolva a day while on, and continue that in your PCT
    PCT 100mg clomid for 3 week from last tab and keep the nolva in the mix a week longer than the clomid.

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    Why wouldn't you want to run test as a beginner? Dbol is going to suppress your natty test anyway and leave you with low t symptoms. A standard oct for almost any cycle would be nolvadex 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/50/50/50 if the sides are to much from the first week if Clomid lower the dose
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    mm. so nolvadex and clomid, no aromathase inhibitor...
    if I run the nolvadex during the dbol cycle, can I keep it at 20mg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem
    mm. so nolvadex and clomid, no aromathase inhibitor...
    if I run the nolvadex during the dbol cycle, can I keep it at 20mg?
    Are you running dbol only?

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    I'm not running anything :P I refuse to do so until I have everything and a better than average understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem
    I'm not running anything :P I refuse to do so until I have everything and a better than average understanding.
    I would need to know the compounds and doses your are planning to run for your cycle before I can tell you if you need an AI on cycle or not.
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    I've made a thread in the correct section: Smile 1st cycle ever - particular situation
    (can't post link yet)

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    Gotcha if you already have high circulating estrogen I would be finding a way to run labs to see we're everything is. If your current dr is not willing to help I would find a new one. I would not even consider running a cycle till you get these things sorted out. I know this probably is not the answer you are looking for and I am sorry but it is your health here

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    this might take a long time indeed, as she has superficially refused to prescribe analysis for me, and, yes, not what I expected to hear but it's all right.

    but honestly, what happens if my testo is low? or if, in fact, it's normal?

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    If your test comes back low and e is high aromatization may be the culprit. At least it would be worth looking at. I have heard of some treating low test high estro with an AI but again I am no physician. I would find a more willing endocrine dr to help

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    true.
    but any result would prevent me from taking AAS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem
    true.
    but any result would prevent me from taking AAS?
    Just depends. First and for most getting your body running right and finding a competent dr to help

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    sigh, agreed. will take a lot of time tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
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    -what are you talking about? I was just contesting the name, emphasizing the fact that therapy should, in some cases, be conducted for a whole cycle, rather than merely in post-phase. it's the opposite of what you are understanding. I think it's more than essential, it'a must-have.

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    -amount of questions? One qualifies as an amount?
    Looks like you are asking more then one question to me. Why call it Pct? Read up a little more, and you will see why. Not trying to be a wise guy and maybe it is the way the post was written up but knowing how a SERM works and an AI works, would pretty much answer the question on its own. If you are considering a Dbol only cycle, it is a bad idea all the way around. Even doing your homework on how to deal with the water and estrogen of a Dbol only cycle will only leave you disappointed in the end.

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    it's not my idea. it was suggested by someone else, I disapproved it but it was the only idea...
    I actually wanted a PH cycle, but then I got bashed because "PH are unsafe, no one has tested them, go for AAS"

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    in the end, I decided to postpone everything. went for Clen .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    in the end, I decided to postpone everything. went for Clen.
    Good choice bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim230027 View Post
    Good choice bro
    made a thread about it if you want to chime in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    in the end, I decided to postpone everything. went for Clen.
    Quote Originally Posted by jim230027 View Post
    Good choice bro
    ^^ Agree! Good choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdinsOtherSon View Post
    ^^ Agree! Good choice.
    I'm glad you agree
    you're welcome to chime in as well

    http://forums.steroid.com/members-cy...tuff-ever.html

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    Smart!

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