Need help big time...

**Jiujitsu7** · 12-09-2013, 02:06 PM

I'm new to this obviously...my situation is slightly complicated but here it is...I was on suboxone ( opiate ) for about 5 years during that time I used anavar ...then a few months later deca with dbol ..the idiot that I am I never did a post cycle. That was about 2 years ago. About one year ago I started feeling the symptoms of low test..pain in my balls no energy..all of that good stuff..had blood work done, testosterone came back 430.. Which is considered normal but mayb for a 60 year old guy but I'm 28. I am now off the suboxone for about a month and was hoping I would recover from this but I have not. Iv been offered advice from many different people. Most of all I'm told to run test followed by hcg . I would go to the doctor but I have no insurance and simply can't afford it...any help at all would be awesome and greatly appreciated

**Bio-Active** · 12-09-2013, 02:09 PM

430 is not low. Many would love to have levels at that range! What time of day did you have your levels run and what time did you wake the day you had them run?

**Jiujitsu7** · 12-09-2013, 02:23 PM

It was probably around 3pm and I woke up about 10am...i prob should have mentioned I def have testicle atrophy

**Bio-Active** · 12-09-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jiujitsu7

It was probably around 3pm and I woke up about 10am...i prob should have mentioned I def have testicle atrophy

i suggest you run those labs within 2 hrs of waking

**Jiujitsu7** · 12-09-2013, 02:50 PM

Yeah I heard that...test is higher in the am correct?

**Bio-Active** · 12-09-2013, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Jiujitsu7

Yeah I heard that...test is higher in the am correct?

^^^^^ yes

**DontTaseMeBro** · 12-09-2013, 03:12 PM

long term use of painkillers can make you feel like crap and the withdrawl makes the flu look like a birthday party - been there. Doubt its made your balls shrink, but the low energy and an overall feeling of hopeless dogshit death may linger for several weeks. jim is right - 430 ain't really low (i'd need 2 1/2 more balls to hit that mark). Its probably more to do with opiate withdrawl. Good call to get off that stuff. Feel better and best wishes.

**bass** · 12-09-2013, 03:17 PM

430 is actually pretty low for your age. that's the price you pay when cycling without educating your self. not picking on you OP, but I wish we can put all these threads in one section so newbies can read them, and see the risks they are facing.

**Jiujitsu7** · 12-09-2013, 04:19 PM

Thanks man...I would agree with u about the withdrawal but I'm not in withdrawal. I went to Costa Rica and did Ibogaine..no withdrawal at all.

**DontTaseMeBro** · 12-09-2013, 04:40 PM

its great you put it down either way. I got on demerol for several months after a series of shoulder surgeries and had to get off it the old-fashioned way. That really sucked, but I just couldn't live like that any more. bass is the expert on T levels - if he says 430 is low, he is right. I hope you can get things headed in the right direction.