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    Question PCT (How does this look?)

    Hello all! I wanted to have a solid PCT ready to go before beginning my first cycle.

    I will be using Test 400 for my first cycle and plan on injecting .5 ml twice per week over a ten week stretch.

    What follows is what I am looking to implement for my PCT. Please let me know what you think.

    Pct Plan
    AI: LiquiLetro (From Sarms1.com) .6mgs every 3 days during cycle.

    Nolvadex (LiquiNol from Sarms1.com)
    Begin 21 days after last injection.
    Week 1&2: 20 mgs each day
    Week 3&4: 10 mgs each day

    Cardarine GW-501516
    Begin after last injection
    weeks 1-7: 20 mgs each day

    Ostarine MK-2866
    Begin 21 days after last Injection
    Weeks 1-3: 25 mgs each day
    Week 4: 12.5 mgs each day

    Please give me some feedback regarding any changes I should make to this PCT.

    Thanks friends,

    Jarred

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    I would do nolvadex at 40mg for the first 1-2 weeks and the last 2-4 weeks 20mgs. I would also add clomid at 50mg for 3-4 weeks.

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    Appreciate the the feedback!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJHooper View Post
    Hello all! I wanted to have a solid PCT ready to go before beginning my first cycle.

    I will be using Test 400 for my first cycle and plan on injecting .5 ml twice per week over a ten week stretch.

    What follows is what I am looking to implement for my PCT. Please let me know what you think.

    Pct Plan
    AI: LiquiLetro (From Sarms1.com) .6mgs every 3 days during cycle.

    Nolvadex (LiquiNol from Sarms1.com)
    Begin 21 days after last injection.
    Week 1&2: 20 mgs each day
    Week 3&4: 10 mgs each day

    Cardarine GW-501516
    Begin after last injection
    weeks 1-7: 20 mgs each day

    Ostarine MK-2866
    Begin 21 days after last Injection
    Weeks 1-3: 25 mgs each day
    Week 4: 12.5 mgs each day

    Please give me some feedback regarding any changes I should make to this PCT.

    Thanks friends,

    Jarred
    Damn Jarred this cycle needs a lot of work.

    I'll get you straightened out.

    Why no mention of AI on cycle?

    Why no mention of hcg on cycle?

    Drop the letro it has no place in PCT and will crash your e2.

    PCT for t400 usually begins 14 days after last pin.

    You need both nolva and clomid for successful PCT.

    Dosages should look similar to those below.

    nolva 40/20/20/20
    clomid 75/50/50/50

    Drop the ost from PCT.

    Ost is suppressive to natural test production.

    During PCT we're trying to reset natural test production.

    If you want to use ost use it on cycle with the test.

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    Thanks for the reply. I'm definitely going to add Clomid to my PCT plan!

    As far as an AI on cycle, I was under the impression that Letrozole was one of the most popular AI's around and that it decreases estrogen by around 96% to help increase gains and promote balanced hormone levels. Have misunderstood this research?

    Also, I have read the OST is a suppressive at higher dosages. But when used in moderation during a PCT it can help to combat immediate catabolism and allow for enough recovery time to prevent initial muscle loss when coming off cycle.

    Let me know what you guys think. Thanks again for all the information! This is definitely a learning process for me.

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    I'm not half the experts as these guys on here but I also thought letrozole would cover your ai and hcg during a cycle. I'm like jj on this, letrozole was all I was planning on using during my next cycle so if that's no good id like to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJHooper View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I'm definitely going to add Clomid to my PCT plan!

    As far as an AI on cycle, I was under the impression that Letrozole was one of the most popular AI's around and that it decreases estrogen by around 96% to help increase gains and promote balanced hormone levels. Have misunderstood this research?

    Also, I have read the OST is a suppressive at higher dosages. But when used in moderation during a PCT it can help to combat immediate catabolism and allow for enough recovery time to prevent initial muscle loss when coming off cycle.

    Let me know what you guys think. Thanks again for all the information! This is definitely a learning process for me.
    Letro is a very powerful AI, 0.25mg or less can inhibit 98%+ of E2.

    This can be problematic because if your e2 gets to low and falls out of range you will feel absolutely terrible.

    A better choice for an AI would be dex or stane.

    Once again ost is suppressive and has no place in PCT.

    You need to trust me, I have a lot of knowlege about these compounds and how they effect the body.

    If you learn how to eat and train correctly you can put muscle tissue on during PCT with nolva and clomid.

    You should read both of the threads attached below.

    Have you had pre cycle bw?

    My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

    Ancillary Reference Guide

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    do a 4-5 week pct of 35-50mg clomid ed and 20mg tamox ed IMO

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    ive read it and I do trust you, I'll take you advise on the subject and I'll read this agn cause it's been a while ago with all the other things I've read some where in that time I came up with the letrozole idea
    also, but I don't doubt I could be wrong. Thank you.
    Last edited by Josh577; 05-31-2016 at 01:01 PM.

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    Numbere, I really appreciate the information and "My First Cycle" link. That information helped at ton.

    I'm planning to drop the Letro and go with Arimidex for my AI during my cycle and all the way up till my PCT. I trust your knowledge and additional research on OST and will eliminate it from my PCT.

    The second link you posted was also helpful in understanding the science behind HCG . I had planned on taking HCGenerate during my cycle. Originally I had planned on continuing HCGenerate through my PCT, however; the previous reading has discouraged me from doing so since HCG can also be a suppressive. Thoughts?

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    Hcg generate is a compete waste of money.

    It's literally made of herbs.

    Hcg generate is just snake oil that was made with the intention of pulling money from the pockets of naive people on the hcg diet.

    You need the actual hormone called Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG).

    The thread attached below should answer most of your hcg question, if not then feel free to ask.

    It would be in your best interest to read all of the threads in the second link below.

    HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

    Austinite's Educational Article Database

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    Thanks again for the information. I have a lot of reading for tonight, but I'll definitely let you know if I run into any addtional questions!

    I'll post a revised PCT plan sometime tonight or tomorrow with the changes you all have helped me make. Only question as of now is where I would be able to get HCG from?

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    New Cycle & PCT Plan

    Cycle

    Weks 1-10
    T-400 .5ml every 3.5 days
    Armidex (Liquidex) .25 mgs every other day
    HCG (Ovidac) 250iu 3 times per week

    PCT

    Weeks 1-2
    Armidex (Liquidex) .25 mgs every other day

    Weeks 3-6
    Novladex (Liquinol) 40/20/20/20
    Clomid (Liquicol) 75//50/50/50

    What you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJHooper View Post
    New Cycle & PCT Plan

    Cycle

    Weks 1-10
    T-400 .5ml every 3.5 days
    Armidex (Liquidex) .25 mgs every other day
    HCG (Ovidac) 250iu 3 times per week

    PCT

    Weeks 1-2
    Armidex (Liquidex) .25 mgs every other day

    Weeks 3-6
    Novladex (Liquinol) 40/20/20/20
    Clomid (Liquicol) 75//50/50/50

    What you guys think?
    Looks good.

    For me HCG twice per week is enough for the small stimulation of the testes, try it out during cycle and see what you feel most confortable with.

    Only thing to improve would be PCT and AI meds pharma grade.

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    Ya, I may start with HCG twice per week and increase if needed.

    Any idea where I could get pharma grade sups for my PCT and AI? As opposed to using the Sarm1 brand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJHooper View Post
    Ya, I may start with HCG twice per week and increase if needed.

    Any idea where I could get pharma grade sups for my PCT and AI? As opposed to using the Sarm1 brand?
    Dont know. I buy mines in the pharmacy.

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