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    Not sure what PCT to take (first cycle ever)

    My cycle is about to come to an end here it is:

    Dianobol- taken oral for 4 weeks

    Testosterone Enanthate - 250 miligrams injection twice a week for 10 weeks

    what PCT should i use and what is a good quality website i could find them from thanks!

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    Thanks kelkel thatg helped a ton.
    But i didnt use hcg in my cycle should i use it with my pct or am i okay just skipping it this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino7474 View Post
    Thanks kelkel thatg helped a ton.
    But i didnt use hcg in my cycle should i use it with my pct or am i okay just skipping it this time?
    HCG is suppressive to natural lh production.

    Due to this it should not be used during PCT, only while on cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    HCG is suppressive to natural lh production.

    Due to this it should not be used during PCT, only while on cycle.
    what a good place to purchase nolvadex or clomid from?

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    Since you did not use it during cycle google the Scally Power PCT Protocol and consider it if you have the time and can obtain the HCG before its time to start your serms.

    I have not but many here have used the below sites. Naturally common sense should be used when purchasing anything of this nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Since you did not use it during cycle google the Scally Power PCT Protocol and consider it if you have the time and can obtain the HCG before its time to start your serms.
    Hey Kel from my understanding of Scally's PCT the HCG aspect is only used to test for primary vs secondary hypogonadism along with bw. It doesn't have anything to do with HPTA reset.

    Any thoughts?

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    Hi numbere!



    HYPOTHALAMIC PITUITARY GONADAL AXIS NORMALIZATION PROTOCOL AFTER ANDROGEN TREATMENT)
    The PoWeR PCT Program
    The PCT program outlined below represents what I consider to be an ideal and effective post-cycle program. It was developed by the doctors at the Program for Wellness Restoration (PoWeR), who have a formidable history helping patients recover normal hormonal functioning following steroid therapy. One of the key doctors on this program, Dr. Michael Scally, claims to have successfully treated more than 100 cases of hypogonadism/hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism, and is very well known in the field of androgen replacement therapy. PoWeR published this program as part of a recent clinical study, which involved 19 healthy male subjects who were taking supraphysiological (highly suppressive) doses of testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate for 12 weeks. Their HPGA Normalization Protocol focuses on the combined use of HCG, Nolvadex' and Clomid, and is perhaps the only clinically documented post-cycle therapy program to be found in the medical literature (it is amazing how little attention has been paid to hormone normalization in clinical medicine). The most notable variation from a classic PCT stack, such that I have( been a longtime supporter of, is the combined use of two anti-estrogens. In this case I cannot say that there is disadvantage to such use; perhaps it is indeed the better option.
    Examining the program closely, we note that the teste are hit hard with HCG at the onset of therapy. Its intake however, is limited to only 16 days. The doctor, undoubtedly recognize that when HCG is taken for too long or at too high a dosage, it can desensitize the LH receptor. This would only further exacerbate the post cycle problem, not help it. Anti-estrogens are used during and after HCG, with a dosage of 10 mg of Nolvadex and 100 mg of Clomid per day rounding out this compliment of drugs. Clomid is used for a shorter period of time than Nolvadex, likely because of the desensitizing effect it too' can have (on the pituitary gland) with continued use. Among other things, these two anti-estrogens will continue to foster LH release as testosterone levels start to go back up, as well as combat any potential estrogenic side effects that may be caused by HCG's up-regulation and testicular aromatase activity. Although in the first couple of weeks the anti-estrogens probably do very Iittlle as they should be much more helpful towards the middle and end of the program. During this clinical investigation: normal hormonal function was restored in all subjects,I within 45 days of drug cessation. This is a definite success far more favorable than the protracted recovery window noted in studies without post-cycle therapy, such as the 250 mg/week testosterone enanthate investigation, highlighted in Figure I. For me, I believe such a detailed recovery program should follow any serious steroid cycle It is the best way to maintain your gains at their maximun and that is, after all, what we are after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Hi numbere!



    [FONT="]HYPOTHALAMIC PITUITARY GONADAL AXIS NORMALIZATION PROTOCOL AFTER ANDROGEN TREATMENT)[/FONT]
    [FONT="]The PoWeR PCT Program[/FONT]
    [FONT="]The PCT program outlined below represents what I consider to be an ideal and effective post-cycle program. It was developed by the doctors at the Program for Wellness Restoration (PoWeR), who have a formidable history helping patients recover normal hormonal functioning following steroid therapy. One of the key doctors on this program, Dr. Michael Scally, claims to have successfully treated more than 100 cases of hypogonadism/hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism, and is very well known in the field of androgen replacement therapy. PoWeR published this program as part of a recent clinical study, which involved 19 healthy male subjects who were taking supraphysiological (highly suppressive) doses of testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate for 12 weeks. Their HPGA Normalization Protocol focuses on the combined use of HCG, Nolvadex' and Clomid, and is perhaps the only clinically documented post-cycle therapy program to be found in the medical literature (it is amazing how little attention has been paid to hormone normalization in clinical medicine). The most notable variation from a classic PCT stack, such that I have( been a longtime supporter of, is the combined use of two anti-estrogens. In this case I cannot say that there is disadvantage to such use; perhaps it is indeed the better option.[/FONT]
    Examining the program closely, we note that the teste are hit hard with HCG at the onset of therapy. Its intake however, is limited to only 16 days. The doctor, undoubtedly recognize that when HCG is taken for too long or at too high a dosage, it can desensitize the LH receptor. This would only further exacerbate the post cycle problem, not help it. Anti-estrogens are used during and after HCG, with a dosage of 10 mg of Nolvadex and 100 mg of Clomid per day rounding out this compliment of drugs. Clomid is used for a shorter period of time than Nolvadex, likely because of the desensitizing effect it too' can have (on the pituitary gland) with continued use. Among other things, these two anti-estrogens will continue to foster LH release as testosterone levels start to go back up, as well as combat any potential estrogenic side effects that may be caused by HCG's up-regulation and testicular aromatase activity. Although in the first couple of weeks the anti-estrogens probably do very Iittlle as they should be much more helpful towards the middle and end of the program. During this clinical investigation: normal hormonal function was restored in all subjects,I within 45 days of drug cessation. This is a definite success far more favorable than the protracted recovery window noted in studies without post-cycle therapy, such as the 250 mg/week testosterone enanthate investigation, highlighted in Figure I. For me, I believe such a detailed recovery program should follow any serious steroid cycle It is the best way to maintain your gains at their maximun and that is, after all, what we are after.
    That's interesting, thanks for the quote.

    I read Scally's book and after presenting the data from his study he talkes about his protocol.

    I may be wrong but it seems like he advises to use hcg separately from SERMs in order to test leydig cell functionality in what he calls the hCG challenge test.

    I'm aware that in the published study hcg is used in conjunction with SERMs, but from my understanding of this book Scally advised differently.

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