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    user1221 is offline New Member
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    I need help with recovery

    First of all I accept that I am an idiot so please don't remind me that

    Age is 25YO

    I need help with recovery

    I injected 3 shots of trenbolone enanthate coupled with 3 shots of testosterone enanthate around 6 months from now. Then I thought I will not use steroids ever in life I dont want to become a pro.
    As the messup was just 3 weeks, I didnt do much of PCT. I did nolva+clomid for 2 weeks thats all

    1 shot of each per week that amounts to 3 weeks usage of these compounds.

    Today, I got my bloodwork and here is the report

    Estradiol - 12.41 pg/ml
    FSH - 2.79 mIU/ml
    Iron is surplus 1.80ug/dl
    LH - 4.63 mIU/ml
    Prolactin - 7.63 ng/ml
    Free Testosterone - 12.51 pg/ml
    Testosterone Total - 3.99 ng/ml (Thats low)
    Vitamin D is Deficient 17.61 ng/ml

    I gave my blood sample in afternoon around 3PM (Just telling if it messes up with results i don't know)
    also kidney function values are bit higher. (Carnitine is 1.02) may be because of dehydration as I am on keto diet to lose fat

    The real problem is that Total testosterone should be more than 8.0 ng/dl for my age but its half of that in the report.

    What can I do to get the total testosterone higher. Should I do a heavy PCT like HCG and good dose of clomid+nolva protocol.

    I am having some problem with erection too. That can be from anxiety may be because some times I can get real hard some times a bit less hard.

    The thing remains how can I get the testosterone level higher?

    Experts please suggest

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    Windex is offline Staff ~ HRT Optimization Specialist
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    Before being able to help you we need more information because your post is confusing.

    Are you saying 6 months ago, as in March, you ran Test and Tren for 3 weeks total doing 1 shot of each compound per week ?

    Free Testosterone is what's important, not total testosterone.

    You need to include reference ranges otherwise your results mean nothing.

    Did you get bloodwork done before using steroids so you have something to compare to?

    Aside from this bloodwork (which as I understand it was taken 6 months after cycling), did you do any other bloodwork after the cycle or just this one?

    Did you ever use steroids prior to this ?

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    If you want your true Test levels you always need to get you test done in the morning. I am surprised they even did them in the afternoon. If I don't have mine done by 10 am my doc wont accept them. The free value is more important and is what is usable so as long as that is within normal range you should be good. It is hard to gage without the scale as mentioned above, different countries and labs use different measures as to what is normal range.

    Your FSH and LH look good so that means your signals are being sent to make testosterone , those would be close to zero if you were still on juice and you used the Clomid to kick that back into gear so looks good. Now if your testis are not producing even though they are getting the signal to produce that is another issue and I would ask if you have ever had damage to that area.

    Your test also shows you don't get enough sunshine, you need about 20 min. per day min. for your Vitamin D (sun is much better than taking sups)

    Your Iron is high which is not good for a man. You may want to donate blood or cut down on your red meet.

    I would not blame your cycle for any of these especially that long ago at your age. The younger you are the faster you bounce back.

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    First I would give the reference ranges as stated on the report

    Free Testosterone 12.51 pg/ml (Ref. Range - 3.84 -34.17)
    Testosterone Total 3.99 ng/ml
    (Ref. Range for testosterone
    13-17 YO - 0.28-11.1
    Above 17 Years 2.8-8.0)


    You are right bros I am stupid enough for not doing bloodwork before starting steroids
    For injury, I never had any injury over that area.

    And as you guys suggested that test should be done in early AM hours, How much deflection can be expected in morning vs afternoon or evening results?

    Thanks a lot for your help.

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    Windex is offline Staff ~ HRT Optimization Specialist
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    Your free testosterone is within range and 1 blood test doesn't tell a big story. You could go get another blood test next month to compare but you are too worried over total testosterone, only free levels are whats important. You also only answered half my questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Before being able to help you we need more information because your post is confusing.

    Are you saying 6 months ago, as in March, you ran Test and Tren for 3 weeks total doing 1 shot of each compound per week ?

    Free Testosterone is what's important, not total testosterone.

    You need to include reference ranges otherwise your results mean nothing.

    Did you get bloodwork done before using steroids so you have something to compare to?

    Aside from this bloodwork (which as I understand it was taken 6 months after cycling), did you do any other bloodwork after the cycle or just this one?

    Did you ever use steroids prior to this ?
    1.) Yeas I did one shot of each compound per week
    Week 1 - 1 Shot Test E + 1 Shot Tren E
    Week 2 - Same
    Week 3 - Same

    2.) I outlined the reference ranges

    3.) No I didnt have bloodwork done before

    4.) After cycle, I did some simple bloodwork like liver profile and kidney profile. The result was normal

    5.) I took a simple beginners cycle of Test E and Dbol for 2 months before this. I did a PCT of clomid and nolva and was not having any problem after PCT.

    Sorry for not answering to all questions in the first place.

    One question bro.. You outlined that only free testosterone is important.. Isnt the total testosterone important for sex drive, erections etc?
    I can understand free testosterone is what is used for building muscle but what about the sex life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by user1221 View Post
    1.) Yeas I did one shot of each compound per week
    Week 1 - 1 Shot Test E + 1 Shot Tren E
    Week 2 - Same
    Week 3 - Same

    2.) I outlined the reference ranges

    3.) No I didnt have bloodwork done before

    4.) After cycle, I did some simple bloodwork like liver profile and kidney profile. The result was normal

    5.) I took a simple beginners cycle of Test E and Dbol for 2 months before this. I did a PCT of clomid and nolva and was not having any problem after PCT.

    Sorry for not answering to all questions in the first place.

    One question bro.. You outlined that only free testosterone is important.. Isnt the total testosterone important for sex drive, erections etc?
    I can understand free testosterone is what is used for building muscle but what about the sex life?
    Free test is what's available for our body to use.

    Total minus free is bound up and not available

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