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    Mature for Power PCT?

    Hi guys,

    so not to bother you with too much "story", i'll just get to the point. After too long on testo and failed PCT (apperantly) my blood work looks like this:

    (This "every lab has its own units thing" is frustrating )

    All tests were done in different labs.

    October 2018

    Estradiol: 21ng/L------------------Range 11-44
    Progesterone: 0.3 ug/L (H)-------Range <0.2
    Prolactin: 27 ug/L (H)-------------Range 3.4-20
    T (total): 4.11 ng/ml--------------Range 1.88-7.24
    T (free): 13.69 pg/ml--------------Range 7-22.7
    Vit D: 18.3 ug/L (L)----------------Range >30

    November 2018

    Estradiol: <20 pg/ml-------(lower then reference, no actual result)
    Prolactin: 8.7 ng/ml--------Range not specified
    LH: 3.4 mIU/ml-------------Range 0.1-7.6
    FSH: 7.0 mIU/ml-----------Range 0.1-11.1
    T (total): 325 ng/dl---------Range 72-823
    T (free): 6.35 ng/dl---------Range not specified

    March 2019

    Personal doc. Didn't want to do more test than this. She says the results are good couse they are in normal range...sure doc, whatewer you say

    Progesterone: 0.2 ng/ml (H)-------Range 0.05-0.15
    Prolactin: 397 mIU/L (H)-----------Range 86-324
    T (total): 4.88 ng/ml----------------Range 2.5-8.4
    T (free): 9.2 ng/L--------------------Range 8.3-40.1 this seems way too low?
    DHT: 432 ng/L------------------------Range 219-1080

    So, I lactate, I'm low energy, no sex drive (cranky wife), low sperm and it has been a year around.

    The gym is good, i stay focused, train hard, numbers are good, but it's harder to keep the fat away. I guess the positive stuff come from positive mindset. But can't fix the low testo and high prolactin with that

    So the bottom line is what i wanted to ask, should i give the Power PCT a try? Kinda scared of such high dosages

    Anyway hoping for some good advices.

    Have a great day guys
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    It's hard for someone to comment on the lab results without reference ranges, especially given they were run at different labs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    It's hard for someone to comment on the lab results without reference ranges, especially given they were run at different labs.
    oh yeah sorry, my bad. i added them. thanks

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    I would find a better doctor. The total testosterone result is irrelevant. The free test is in range but low. It's basically like driving around with the gas light always on.

    Vitamin D is the easiest fix - start with roughly 35IU per lb of body weight. You need Magnesium and Vitamin K2 (100mcg) for Vitamin D to be of any use.

    A prolactin antagonist would help with your prolactin and potentially progesterone issues - so that's Cabergoline, Pramiplexol, or Bromocriptine.

    How long were you on testosterone for and how old are you?
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    Thanks for the response Windex. I will definitely try to find a better doctor.

    So that is 200lb x 35IU = 7000IU daily? I've been taking 5000IU twice a week. Magnesium also 200mg a day, but no Vitamin K tho.

    So you think I should do something about my Prolactin levels, regardless of the Testosterone levels ?

    2 years I am turning 30 this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    Thanks for the response Windex. I will definitely try to find a better doctor.

    So that is 200lb x 35IU = 7000IU daily? I've been taking 5000IU twice a week. Magnesium also 200mg a day, but no Vitamin K tho.

    So you think I should do something about my Prolactin levels, regardless of the Testosterone levels ?

    2 years I am turning 30 this year.
    That math is correct - can split it up in 2 or 3 doses throughout the day. The "best" Magnesium option would be full spectrum but it's fairly pricey. It will typically have 4 or 5 forms of Magnesium and be between 100-200mg per capsule. Magnesium Oxise is the only type you want to avoid as it has 5-8% absorption rate.

    PCT is not my wheelhouse as I am HRT - but Tamoxifen and Clomid aren't really going to help much for the prolactin issue.
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    Ok thanks Wintex. Ordered some 5000UI D3 + K 200mcg combo. Will take that daily.

    Did some reading on the Forum about Prolactin. There is alot of different info tho. Found that B6 could help. What would be the dose and is it worth it? Or should i jump directly to Cabergoline...? What is the good dose for it and for how long? As i googled it, it seems to be a prescription drug

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    Take your D3 with a large meal as it's fat soluble. 5K per day is a good start. Check it on follow up labs and adjust. Optimizing your D level will help your free T level as well.

    Prolactin being elevated will interfere with testosterone production so discuss that with your doc and if levels climb consider an MRI for an adenoma. Caber, as Windex advised, is good stuff and would help alleviate this. .25 x 2 per week would probably help, again followed up by labs. Elevated prolactin also can cause libido / sexual issues.

    Also, add in SHBG on your next blood work. Need to know how much T is being bound and not free for use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Take your D3 with a large meal as it's fat soluble. 5K per day is a good start. Check it on follow up labs and adjust. Optimizing your D level will help your free T level as well.

    Prolactin being elevated will interfere with testosterone production so discuss that with your doc and if levels climb consider an MRI for an adenoma. Caber, as Windex advised, is good stuff and would help alleviate this. .25 x 2 per week would probably help, again followed up by labs. Elevated prolactin also can cause libido / sexual issues.

    Also, add in SHBG on your next blood work. Need to know how much T is being bound and not free for use.
    Thanks kelkel. Will definitely start with D3+K and see what happens. I had an MRI, everything seems to be in order.

    I found one thread today where a guy had a Prolactin problem due to DHT and Propecia. I used to take Propecia for years, before jumping on testo. I stopped Propecia before my first cycle tho, but i might have had elevated Prolactin even then, without knowing it

    How long would one take Caber?

    My SHGB was: 33,4 nmo/l - Range: 13-71 nmo/l
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    So got some good advices from Wintex and Kelkel on Vitamins. Started taking 5000UI VitD+K and Vit B6. I also take Magnesium and Zink.

    Still didnīt get any thoughts on Power PCT tho Should i just stick with the Vitamins for some time and see what happens? Could they really help so much to get my hormones in check?

    Or should I consider the Power PCT and also stick to the vitamins? What about these prolactin antagonist? For how long do you have to take them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    So got some good advices from Wintex and Kelkel on Vitamins. Started taking 5000UI VitD+K and Vit B6. I also take Magnesium and Zink.

    Still didnīt get any thoughts on Power PCT tho Should i just stick with the Vitamins for some time and see what happens? Could they really help so much to get my hormones in check?

    Or should I consider the Power PCT and also stick to the vitamins? What about these prolactin antagonist? For how long do you have to take them?
    The problem is Tamoxifen and Clomid are not drugs that will help with prolactin induced problems. They solve issues when estrogen is the root cause. A typical Dostinex dose starts at 0.25mg twice per week and goes up from there. It would be beneficial to partner with a doctor as they would supply the prescription, have more insight, and can monitor your progress.

    An endocrinologist or urologist would be favourable over a general MD.

    I would go this route;

    Partner with Dr for dostinex protocol and continue vitamins and minerals-> full bloodwork panel including D3, hormones, minerals etc at 2 month mark -> if issue is not resolved adjust dosage of vitamins and Dostinex accordingly -> bloodwork again at 4 month mark -> issue still not resolved then PowerPCT (issue is not getting better at this point can't get worse) -> bloodwork again -> still not fixed then consider TRT

    Kekel thoughts ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    The problem is Tamoxifen and Clomid are not drugs that will help with prolactin induced problems. They solve issues when estrogen is the root cause. A typical Dostinex dose starts at 0.25mg twice per week and goes up from there. It would be beneficial to partner with a doctor as they would supply the prescription, have more insight, and can monitor your progress.

    An endocrinologist or urologist would be favourable over a general MD.

    I would go this route;

    Partner with Dr for dostinex protocol and continue vitamins and minerals-> full bloodwork panel including D3, hormones, minerals etc at 2 month mark -> if issue is not resolved adjust dosage of vitamins and Dostinex accordingly -> bloodwork again at 4 month mark -> issue still not resolved then PowerPCT (issue is not getting better at this point can't get worse) -> bloodwork again -> still not fixed then consider TRT

    Kekel thoughts ?
    Thanks Windex. I will follow your guidelines.

    I had another appointment at endocrinologist today. Long story short, I squeezed out some milk for him and got the prescription for Cabergoline. We did some blood work, but that will take time. He wanted to have references for the time after the Cab. Therapy. Due to another appointment that i have later in April with the Urologist, he said to wait for him to exclude the possibility of some kind of testicle tumor. Not sure what exactly did he mean. If all good, I should start Cabergoline 0,5mg every Friday, at least he said so. I was thinking about splitting it into 2x0,25/week, due to Medicines Lifetime. Anyway, happy to be one step further with all this.

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    Yes for Dostinex you'd want to do it as twice per week.
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    Just curious how old

    How long you been on test for before these recent numbers ?

    Any reason you don't consider trt ?

    If you don't like what your doctor suggests ESP if it seems it doesn't work in YOUR favor where you feel good , I would suggest finding a doctor that will get you where you need to be.

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    Will follow this! Great advice that most (incl myself) hasn't even thought of.
    My sister has some issues and the culprit seemes to be chronic defi on Vitamin D and a few Vitamin B - gave horrible results in the end on her body (maybe even small tumor as I understood it).
    Was hard to track down since the results was more leaning towards hormone issues and/ or rheumatism instead.

    Everything is bound together, will be great if you don't have to go through power pct or trt at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    Just curious how old

    How long you been on test for before these recent numbers ?

    Any reason you don't consider trt ?

    If you don't like what your doctor suggests ESP if it seems it doesn't work in YOUR favor where you feel good , I would suggest finding a doctor that will get you where you need to be.

    Fell better bro

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    I will turn 30 soon. I used for about 2 years.

    Many reasons I guess. I get angry at myself when I think about what I did to myself with the testo or better said with being stupid. I feel like shit and look like shit. Worse than before using. It is really hard to get lean, maybe because of the hormones. I looked great while on and felt great about myself. But in the end, not sure if it was worth it. I ended up with this crappy year since off.

    But it doesn't matter anymore. I am determined to get my shit back together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Will follow this! Great advice that most (incl myself) hasn't even thought of.
    My sister has some issues and the culprit seemes to be chronic defi on Vitamin D and a few Vitamin B - gave horrible results in the end on her body (maybe even small tumor as I understood it).
    Was hard to track down since the results was more leaning towards hormone issues and/ or rheumatism instead.

    Everything is bound together, will be great if you don't have to go through power pct or trt at all!
    Great to have you in Fiskevatten.

    Not sure if i get it right. Your sister got some kind of tumor, because of Vitamins deficiency?

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    They are not sure yet, still under examination, but might be the reason yes.
    It shouldn't be the cause, but it does (according to several studies) increase the risk of it.

    Vitamine and mineral def is not something, atleast in sweden, that doctors focus on since we have access to a lot of good food.
    In this case, her body doesn't absorb it in any rate that is acceptable and they didn't see it until long because her symptoms
    placed their eye on other things.
    Because of this, she might have developed more chronic issues and a possible tumor from being on a deficiency too long - atleast from what I understand of it all.
    They do not sound perfectly sure yet either...
    Basically, she is getting hormonal and bone issues from Vit D+B deficiency which can be a wide range of things.

    In other words, take above advice in and consult with your doctor about the program who (if he/ she) has experience in this field. If it does sound like something that
    may cause positive change, then go for it.
    Power PCT is something you can administer at home (except for bloods), so that option is always available.

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    Soooo, was at Urologist today and at Mammography, had Ultrasound of Testicles and Boobs. Everything is ok.

    Now i have the green Light to start the Cabergoline. Excited

    Is it ok to do it Sunday and Thursday? So that would mean once 3 Days Break and once 4 Days Break in between or would it be better every 4 Days, like Sun, Thu, Mon, Fri...etc.?

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    Soooo, was at Urologist today and at Mammography, had Ultrasound of Testicles and Boobs. Everything is ok.

    Now i have the green Light to start the Cabergoline. Excited

    Is it ok to do it Sunday and Thursday? So that would mean once 3 Days Break and once 4 Days Break in between or would it be better every 4 Days, like Sun, Thu, Mon, Fri...etc.?

    Cheers
    I shouldn’t say this but you wife will not be cranky anymore...the sexual side effects are great...that said if a newbi is reading this don’t use a DA unless you truly need it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    I shouldn’t say this but you wife will not be cranky anymore...the sexual side effects are great...that said if a newbi is reading this don’t use a DA unless you truly need it...
    Yes, you would almost want to have persistent prolactine problems to keep using it. Fortunately or unfortunately, the drug does a good job and if you don't lower the dosages with time, you will have a crash in about a month of use. I had it at least. I had 30 ug/L. In a month it quickly dropped to 0 (I took 1/4 pill of caber every 3-4 days, not sure how much it amounted, but it was the general recommended dose). And when it dropped to 0, it's a weird, hangover like feeling, and I couldn't focus on anything. The start was amazing though. Despite lowish T levels I was more horny than ever, my dick was at his best haha

    Also avoid alcohol. If you have to, try some 2 beers first, to see how you react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac34 View Post
    Yes, you would almost want to have persistent prolactine problems to keep using it. Fortunately or unfortunately, the drug does a good job and if you don't lower the dosages with time, you will have a crash in about a month of use. I had it at least. I had 30 ug/L. In a month it quickly dropped to 0 (I took 1/4 pill of caber every 3-4 days, not sure how much it amounted, but it was the general recommended dose). And when it dropped to 0, it's a weird, hangover like feeling, and I couldn't focus on anything. The start was amazing though. Despite lowish T levels I was more horny than ever, my dick was at his best haha

    Also avoid alcohol. If you have to, try some 2 beers first, to see how you react.
    Mac34, thanks for your input. Did you have any other benefits on your overal wellbeeing or just feeling horny af?

    What happened after the "crash"? Did you get it back on track?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    Mac34, thanks for your input. Did you have any other benefits on your overal wellbeeing or just feeling horny af?

    What happened after the "crash"? Did you get it back on track?
    It can improve your well being, for sure. First, high prl is associated with feeling like crap and depression. And caber is a dopamine agonist

    But you have to be aware that it is not likely a med you will be taking for life. After a few months you might have completely normal levels without taking it. And then you cannot take it or you will crash prl levels to 0. Enjoy it while it lasts!

    If you crash, it might take a few days to recover to in-range levels. Nothing too bad. Other than that weird, hangover like feeling.

    I took it for a month, it increased my T levels from 2.8 to 4.5. Unfortunately later I made a stupid decision to jump on a cypionate cycle. I'm still curious how it would be if I didn't do it. I took caber too, but less and less often. eventually I could stop completely. Year later my prolactine levels are 17.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac34 View Post
    It can improve your well being, for sure. First, high prl is associated with feeling like crap and depression. And caber is a dopamine agonist

    But you have to be aware that it is not likely a med you will be taking for life. After a few months you might have completely normal levels without taking it. And then you cannot take it or you will crash prl levels to 0. Enjoy it while it lasts!

    If you crash, it might take a few days to recover to in-range levels. Nothing too bad. Other than that weird, hangover like feeling.

    I took it for a month, it increased my T levels from 2.8 to 4.5. Unfortunately later I made a stupid decision to jump on a cypionate cycle. I'm still curious how it would be if I didn't do it. I took caber too, but less and less often. eventually I could stop completely. Year later my prolactine levels are 17.5
    Thanks man, great info. Just took my first 0.25mg dose I have the next one scheduled in 3 days. I hope I am not complicating too much I think I red somewhere to start with 0.25mg every 3rd day and if feeling ok increase to 0.5mg. Not sure why, but it seemed like saying more is better

    How long were you taking it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    Thanks man, great info. Just took my first 0.25mg dose I have the next one scheduled in 3 days. I hope I am not complicating too much I think I red somewhere to start with 0.25mg every 3rd day and if feeling ok increase to 0.5mg. Not sure why, but it seemed like saying more is better

    How long were you taking it?
    Just take 0.25 twice per week. Monday/Thursday or Tuesday/Friday or Wednesday/Saturday etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    Thanks man, great info. Just took my first 0.25mg dose I have the next one scheduled in 3 days. I hope I am not complicating too much I think I red somewhere to start with 0.25mg every 3rd day and if feeling ok increase to 0.5mg. Not sure why, but it seemed like saying more is better

    How long were you taking it?
    That's good. Exactly what I did. You don't need to increase the dosage. If anything, you might need to lower dosage with time.

    Take it for a month or so and do bloodwork.

    I was taking it only for a month regularly,. Then I was taking it from time to time for a few months and stopped completely.

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    Hey guys. Any info about how long it takes for caber to kick in? It has been 17 days now, 5 doses of 0.25mg and I can't feel shit. Still tired, lazy, antygym, antypussy mothafucka

    And I can still breastfeed(lactating).

    Should I up my dose to 1mg/week? Or wait a bit more?

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    I would consult with your doctor. If you just bump it up to 0.75 mg per week you are gonna finish your script 50% faster then have an awkward conversation with the doctor and/or pharmacist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I would consult with your doctor. If you just bump it up to 0.75 mg per week you are gonna finish your script 50% faster then have an awkward conversation with the doctor and/or pharmacist.
    Hmm, I'm not sure he would mind much, but yeah, who knows. I just kinda thought that I could dose it up, couse I can't seem to see any changes and I got like 30 pills. That would be enough for 30 weeks dosing 0,5mg/week and he said to do a 6 weeks therapy and come to check in. I will use 6 pills for that

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    Try 0.75 then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Try 0.75 then
    I won't be able to do that. The pill is so small it is already an art splitting it in two. I could take 0.5mg every 5th day tho?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    I won't be able to do that. The pill is so small it is already an art splitting it in two. I could take 0.5mg every 5th day tho?
    You might be able to dissolve the pill in alcohol and use a dropper but i'm not sure. That would be a question for Youthful55Guy or Kelkel
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    So, been on caber since the 26th of april and had 6 doses of 0.25mg mon/thr. Since i was still lactating i upped to 0.5mg mon/thr. I just had my fifth dose. It has been a month in total and i can't see any changes. I am still lactating. Pretty dissapointed, since some of the guys said that the first month is gonna be awesome. To me it is the same as all of the previous in the last year

    Thinking on jumping back on a 500mg testo/week with the HCG 250/week for 10-12 weeks and hoping to bring my testicles back to life in these 12 weeks and then do a proper PCT with Clomid and Nolva.

    Tell me if i am beeing stupid. Could i fuck up myself even more?

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    I would not cycle as you are going to screw your hormone levels even more.

    If caber isn't working then there is some other problem at play. I would book another doctor appointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    So, been on caber since the 26th of april and had 6 doses of 0.25mg mon/thr. Since i was still lactating i upped to 0.5mg mon/thr. I just had my fifth dose. It has been a month in total and i can't see any changes. I am still lactating. Pretty dissapointed, since some of the guys said that the first month is gonna be awesome. To me it is the same as all of the previous in the last year

    Thinking on jumping back on a 500mg testo/week with the HCG 250/week for 10-12 weeks and hoping to bring my testicles back to life in these 12 weeks and then do a proper PCT with Clomid and Nolva.

    Tell me if i am beeing stupid. Could i fuck up myself even more?
    Damn what did you run during those past 2 years? Just test; or did you do cycles of tren and deca based on what I see with you having problems with prolactin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I would not cycle as you are going to screw your hormone levels even more.

    If caber isn't working then there is some other problem at play. I would book another doctor appointment.
    What other can it be? I have an appointment in 10 days

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5millionbucks View Post
    Damn what did you run during those past 2 years? Just test; or did you do cycles of tren and deca based on what I see with you having problems with prolactin.
    no, just cruising on testo

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    So had my "appointment" today at the Doctors office, which turned out not to be the appointment I expected. I did not see the Doc, I just got to give the blood, so that he can see if there has been any changes. Told the nurse that I upped my dose, couse I saw no changes. She freaked out, like you canīt do that by yourself. Well sorry, I did, but still no changes tho. So she just wrote that into the computer, they took my blood and now they will call, one day

    I did get my results from my last visit in April, before he gave me the prescription for caber. I donīt really want to comment...

    Testo = 233 ng/dl ---------- 255-877
    Free T = 4,2 ng/dl ---------- 5,3-18,3
    TSH = 1,57 mIU/L ---------- 0,4-4,2
    FT3 = 2,23 pg/ml ---------- 2,2-4,8
    FT4 = 1,17 ng/dl ---------- 0,9-1,9
    25OH-Vit.D = 30,2 ng/ml ---------- 19,6-71,2
    Prolactin = 13,7 ng/ml ---------- 2,5-17,7
    LH = 3,9 mIU7ml ---------- 01-7,4
    FSH = 5,4 mIU/ml ----------- 0,1-11,3
    LFQ = 0,69
    SHBG = 31,7 nmol/L ----------- 12,5-72
    FAI = 23,9% ----------- 15-95
    DHT = 417,9 pg/ml ----------- 255-995
    ß-HCG = <0,6 ----------- <2
    AFP = <2,1 ----------- <5,6

    So the Prolactin was in range that day, not sure what was today, will see. But I am still lactating and I donīt feel any different really...not sure what to do at this point.

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    Any words on this guys?

    Are my other numbers ok? I mean i can see they are in range, but I donīt really know what are the "good" numbers for T3,T4,LH,FSH,SHBG...
    Last edited by Bjorg89; 06-22-2019 at 09:52 AM.

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    Hi guys. Sooo i got my lab results today and i guess i could say i am surprised. My prolactin levels dropped significantly, even though i thought nothing is happening due to still lactating... Which makes it confusing, couse i have no idea what could be the other reason for that.

    Are there any other body mechanisms that could make me produce milk? Should i be giving attention to some other hormones?

    Do you think i should/could start doing something in the direction of improving my testosteron levels? Maybe something like supplying turmeric, fonugreek, d-aspartic acid, maybe forskulin?

    The results:

    Testo = 395ng/dl ---------- 255-877
    Free T = 7,17 ng/dl ---------- 5,3-18,3
    Prolactin = 3,5 ng/ml ---------- 2,5-17,7
    LH = 5,2 mIU7ml ---------- 01-7,4
    FSH = 7,4 mIU/ml ----------- 0,1-11,3
    LFQ = 0,81
    SHBG = 41,7 nmol/L ----------- 12,5-72
    FAI = 33,9% ----------- 15-95
    DHT = 612,8 pg/ml ----------- 255-995

    This is what it has been tested. I always miss the estradiol levels and also progestorone levels this time. The report also says i should continue with the cab for another 3 months (2x0,5mg(the increased dose that i took)) and check-in. I am afraid that it could drop to much if i continue with the dose, couse now it is already pretty low considering the result.

    Cheers
    Last edited by Bjorg89; 06-26-2019 at 10:37 AM.

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