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    Quitting TRT after 8 months, PCT help

    Hey guys,

    I have been on TRT for 8 months now, I have been running HCG twice a week at 500IU throughout. I want to come off for various reasons, and am planning a PCT as follows and need advice; I have heard everything from lowering your dose gradually then quitting cold turkey, to just blasting the HCG at higher dose more frequent by itself, to doing a full on HCG/AI/SERM PCT, and I have also read that using an AI like anastrozol will CRASH your E2.

    I have read through the stickys and I think what I have decided to try is this; but obviously want advice

    over the last 18 weeks i dropped my dose every 6 weeks from 250 to 200 now to 160.
    My last shot of 160MG Test Cyp. will be on Monday the 19th of this month
    I will increase my frequency on HCG from 2x a week (days 3-5 post injection) to EOD for 2 weeks, so I will shoot 500IU on the 21,23,25,27,29,31,2, and the 4th.
    I will start blasting 1,000IU of Vitamin E ED to try and make the HCG more effective
    I will start taking my tamoxifen (nova) at 20MG ED starting the day of my last injection on the 19th and run it with my increased HCG frequency because the nova doesn't suppress LH and it also helps keep the HCG from desensitizing you to natural LH.

    After approximately 2 weeks following my last injection on the 19th, the last AAS should Esther out of my system and I will run out of HCG on the 4th, starting my "real PCT" on the 5th.
    I will drop the Vitamin E and start blasting Vitamin C at 1.5G ED to help keep my cortisol lower.
    I will continue the tamoxifen(nova) at 20MG ED for 2 weeks, then lower to 10MG ED on weeks 3-4.
    I have anastrozole on hand, and am not really sure if I should take 0.25MG twice a week or not, I am also taking DIM currently and dont know if I should continue that throughout PCT either.

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    Run Eduke's PCT program. It's a sticky at the top. Just copy and paste. Don't overthink - keep it simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Run Eduke's PCT program. It's a sticky at the top. Just copy and paste. Don't overthink - keep it simple.
    Ok so there is conflicting information between drummerboy and Edukes post that are both stickies. Eduke is saying he didn't start HCG until 21 days after his last injection, then continues HCG for 20 days before adding his SERM. Drummerboy is saying to start the HCG prior to your last injection, then stop your HCG use at the same time the last AAS esther out, in my case 18 days after my last injection of Cyp.

    How is this Edukes PCT not counter productive? If you're injecting synthetic LH, you're waking your testes up to receive the LH signal again, but your hypothalamus is still not kicking on and sending its own natural LH signal to the testes BECAUSE your supplementing that and suppressing it still. Exactly the same concept of why your system shut down to begin with, because you're supplementing it with exogenous and it quits producing its own. So by waiting 21 days, then starting HCG for 20 days, aren't you just elongating the PCT by 40 unnecessary days and making recovery harder on yourself? If you start the HCG prior to your last injection, you're waking your testes up, then when the AAS esther out of your system and you start the SERM, it kicks the hypothalamus back on and starts sending its own LH signal and the testes are already awake to receive that signal. Where as edukes way, you just sit and wait with your hands in your pockets with your system shut down as the AAS esther out, then you start trying to wake your testes up late in the game with the HCG but continue to suppress the hypothalamus for 20 more days before you try to wake it up... Unless I am missing some thing here, someone please enlighten me and forgive my ignorance. Unless the HCG does not suppress the hypothalamus or natural LH production...but if thats the case then why wait to start the SERM? Why not go ahead and start the SERM at the same time as the HCG and wake both the testes and the HTPA up at the same time? In fact drummerboy actually recommends starting the tamoxifen with the HCG, stating that it helps keep the HCG from desensitizing your leydig cells so they will take your natural LH. And not to mention that I have only been on moderate levels of TRT, and running HCG throughout, whereas Eduke ran some very suppressive test/tren /deca /npp/dbol and no HCG.
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    You are overthinking it. You've only been on TRT for 8 months, not 8 years. Just pick a protocol and run it. Eduke, Scally, Drummer, or Cristler.

    You are going to worsen your chance of recovery by stressing on minor factors versus just picking a program and taking it at face value.

    People are on steroids for 8 months and come off cold turkey and still recover. Do yourself a favour and don't examine every little detail. You could literally put all 4 names in a cup and draw for a protocol.
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    Agree with Windex. Over thinking it. Keep it simple and you'll be fine.
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    TRT doc wont RX me tamoxifen /nolva. He will write me for clomid but only at 25mg twice a week. He told me HCG isnt synthetic LH, it does stimulate the HTPA and it doesnt suppress it, he said to just continue the HCG alone until i run out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemedic731 View Post
    TRT doc wont RX me tamoxifen/nolva. He will write me for clomid but only at 25mg twice a week. He told me HCG isnt synthetic LH, it does stimulate the HTPA and it doesnt suppress it, he said to just continue the HCG alone until i run out.
    Then buy it from a domestic underground lab, research chemical website, or from a pharmacy overseas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Run Eduke's PCT program. It's a sticky at the top. Just copy and paste. Don't overthink - keep it simple.
    Waiting 21 days for Post Cycle Therapy to begin is incorrect. You'd need to wait at least 5 half lives, which is around 6-8 weeks using Test E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leres View Post
    Waiting 21 days for Post Cycle Therapy to begin is incorrect. You'd need to wait at least 5 half lives, which is around 6-8 weeks using Test E.
    Wrong- you don't understand terminal half life
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    Well they did write me an RX for Clomid. They said to take 50MG every day for two weeks, then take one 50 MG tab every other day for a week, then take a 50 MG tab just 3x the last week. I am thinking of adjusting this to a sliding scale.. more like 50/50/25/25 or 50/25/12.5/12.5... and I am planning on finished the HCG I have left over the next 18 days while my Test E runs out of my system then starting the clomid. Ill keep yall updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemedic731 View Post
    Well they did write me an RX for Clomid. They said to take 50MG every day for two weeks, then take one 50 MG tab every other day for a week, then take a 50 MG tab just 3x the last week. I am thinking of adjusting this to a sliding scale.. more like 50/50/25/25 or 50/25/12.5/12.5... and I am planning on finished the HCG I have left over the next 18 days while my Test E runs out of my system then starting the clomid. Ill keep yall updated.
    I don't understand the logic of trying to decide between 3 advanced PCT protocols then deciding on clomid only. It's like deciding between a Mercedes and BMW then buying a Honda Civic.

    It's so easy to find Tamoxifen on the black market.
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