norma deca real or fake??? plz check

**kwakisaki** · 02-13-2007, 08:20 PM

and 2 of my normas when i opened the box it just split open on the side?

**kwakisaki** · 02-13-2007, 08:23 PM

and were the tab is for the box to open underneath were the white bit is when u open the tab its got like a faint scrubb mark like black ink smudged not alot but just a bit were the expiry dates are written on the box,under beneth that on the other side (white part if u look) on all of my 10 norma boxes

**Dizz28** · 02-13-2007, 08:23 PM

let it go man, acceptance is key. Those aren't real.

I've already come to terms with the fact mine aren't real either....just expensive looking fakes.

Move on and find another product.....

Move....On.....

Dizz

**powerbodybuilder** · 02-13-2007, 11:44 PM

They look good to me but the smudged numbers are weird. Maybe from factory defects?? Tough to say.

**powerbodybuilder** · 02-13-2007, 11:46 PM

It could also got wet somewhere down the road that caused the smugging.

**kwakisaki** · 02-14-2007, 05:05 AM

we shall see what michael thinks

**juicy_brucy** · 02-14-2007, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by powerbodybuilder

It could also got wet somewhere down the road that caused the smugging.

To prove this theory wrong, I have tried to remove the expiry dates on mine. I tried, water, spit, then windex. I'm having a difficult enough time trying to get my expiry dates off with Windex. I'm sure if i scrubbed hard enough, that I could get it to come off.

**juicy_brucy** · 02-14-2007, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Dizz28

Mine do have the water mark on the price tag under UV light also....they also have the hologram in the bottle's label but I was told they were fake on my thread.

Hey MichealCC, I emailed you back....let me know

Really? That is it! I am getting Dutchbb over here. I am sending him a PM, cause fakes are hard to find with a watermark on them from what I understand, but fakers are getting good, so lets see what he has to say...
I will send him a PM.

**kwakisaki** · 02-14-2007, 09:46 AM

so what do u think mine are they real or fake?? we shall see what michael thinks too

**kwakisaki** · 02-14-2007, 09:48 AM

i wonder what judge thinks of my?

**MichaelCC** · 02-14-2007, 04:45 PM

guys - I appreciate, you gave me such a belief to solve this thing, but I have to tell the truth ... I'm realy not sure about your normas "kwakisaki". There is thing on your normas that I never seen in any norma before - bold text font.
I have to agree with JB - it's very hard to smudge it to this condition - I tried it today with water, oil (broke one of my norma to use the same oil), but nothing happened. It's simply stamped not printed, so this theory is wrong like JB said ....
everything else on your norma looks OK, but this thing .... hmmmm, it makes me worries. Also I like to see the bottom of the aluminium tops on your norma - it's no visible on any of your picture ...

**MichaelCC** · 02-14-2007, 04:47 PM

one think "kwakisaki" - could you made a better picture of it ? I'm sure you can do better picture with your KODAK LS753 ZOOM DIGITAL CAMERA ..... try to use makro mode (it has mostly the flower icon on the cameras)

**juicy_brucy** · 02-14-2007, 05:02 PM

I am with you on this one MichaelCC. I have never seen normas like these with bold font. I once had my mind made up, but now that I know there is a watermark on the pharmacy price tag sticker... I am no longer sure. I know that dutchbodybuilder was viewing this thread for us, so I know he is looking into it.... He is #1 at this sort of thing.

**juicy_brucy** · 02-14-2007, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Dizz28

let it go man, acceptance is key. Those aren't real.

I've already come to terms with the fact mine aren't real either....just expensive looking fakes.

Move on and find another product.....

Move....On.....

Dizz

Brother, I am man enough to say that I am not 100% sure anymore. I have contacted Dutchbodybuilder. I am certain that he will help us get to the bottom of this. He has helped me more than anyone on all board combined. He is a good bro. Let's wait and see, shall we?

**Dizz28** · 02-14-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by juicy_brucy

Brother, I am man enough to say that I am not 100% sure anymore. I have contacted Dutchbodybuilder. I am certain that he will help us get to the bottom of this. He has helped me more than anyone on all board combined. He is a good bro. Let's wait and see, shall we?

Alright, can you do me a favor?

Can you have him check my thread also to see what he thinks of mine?

**kwakisaki** · 02-14-2007, 07:21 PM

look guys i said that i checked all my normas the 1 wid the dark font thats just 1 of them the others font are lighter its only that peice and the 1 with the smudged writing

**kwakisaki** · 02-14-2007, 07:22 PM

i have 10 deca 's 2 wid dark font and 8 with light font

**kwakisaki** · 02-15-2007, 06:40 PM

so wat u think michael

**MichaelCC** · 02-16-2007, 07:48 AM

I told you man - I'm realy not sure about it. And if there is something I'm not sure about, I cannot tell it's real or not .... better to wait for DBB opinion ....

**dutchbodybuilder** · 02-16-2007, 07:56 AM

This is the link to my article about spotting counterfeited Norma's :
http://www.bodyofscience.com/issues/...spring2004.pdf

The labeling is done automatically, the label is attached straight on the vial and covers the red logo completely. The labels come from a big role on the labelingmachine. I'll post an original label. Also look at the metal top.
Did you notice that the red logo's are also smudged?

I REALLY would like this counterfeit to show them to Norma when I'll meet them in June during the NABBA worldchampionships in Greece. They thought their new photomatric label would protect them from counterfeiting

Can you provide me with one of these counterfeits or give me link where I can order one myself?
[email protected]

**juicy_brucy** · 02-16-2007, 11:55 AM

I had a feeling it was fake!!!!!!! Thanks for clearing that up big fella!!

**juicy_brucy** · 02-16-2007, 11:56 AM

IMO, this is the best fake I have ever seen. I have never seen a fake with a water mark on it. this is new to me, and that is what totally threw me off.

**juicy_brucy** · 02-16-2007, 12:40 PM

also fake... as we already know now...Real/Fake Norma's?

Hey dutch. Do you see many normas that are faked with a watermark? Get back to me if you can.

**kwakisaki** · 02-18-2007, 01:12 PM

i got it tested and ITS NOT FAKE! dutch bb ure WRONG

**MichaelCC** · 02-18-2007, 06:11 PM

I like to see your lab test results "kwakisaki" ... and I think other guys too

**MichaelCC** · 02-18-2007, 06:15 PM

"dutchbodybuilder" - thanx for your help ..

**kwakisaki** · 02-18-2007, 06:15 PM

its real i cant belive it i will post my lab results cuz they are in my bothers house,i am so excited

**kwakisaki** · 02-18-2007, 06:16 PM

so so excited

**juicy_brucy** · 02-19-2007, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by kwakisaki

i got it tested and ITS NOT FAKE! dutch bb ure WRONG

Just because have real deca in them, doesn't mean that NORMA made these...I am guessing that NORMA did not make these.
Dutch really knows his stuff, and he has been in contact with NORMA for the research that he does for the book...
I am glad that the test came back with a good result!

Glad to hear, and good job on getting them tested. Please post the results!!

**juicy_brucy** · 02-19-2007, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by kwakisaki

so so excited

No doubt. I bet that is a load off of your mind!

**wham_sucker** · 02-19-2007, 07:06 AM

so does this mean counterfeiters are now copying the holographic lable ?

**ajfina** · 02-19-2007, 11:42 PM

not sure but i dont believe him

**juicy_brucy** · 02-20-2007, 12:53 AM

You should post your lab reports kwakisaki... You are leaving us hanging...

**judge_dread** · 02-20-2007, 06:19 AM

hmm is getting harder and harder for the ppl to get REAL Normas abroad, I feel so lucky I can still obtain them without problems...

**kwakisaki** · 02-20-2007, 08:53 AM

end of thread MY ARE REAL!

**kwakisaki** · 02-20-2007, 08:54 AM

They Workin And They Are Real (topic Closed)

**KickAAs** · 02-20-2007, 10:01 AM

Were are the Lab results ?

**juicy_brucy** · 02-20-2007, 11:00 AM

you can't just come here, say yours are real and that you DO HAVE lab results... and then not post them. Especially after someone called you on it. Please don't jerk us around and post the results. And how did you get it tested that fast??? I too, am now not believing you. Please post your lab results.

**juicy_brucy** · 02-20-2007, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by kwakisaki

They Workin And They Are Real (topic Closed)

NO, its not closed... you said they are real, and that you had a lab test to proove it....and we want proof... Anyone can simply say that they are real. Please post the results that you said you recieved.

**BOUNCER 01** · 02-20-2007, 03:46 PM

They look fake to me because of the labels(they are not straight)

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