Halo... can you use it in Comp

[mmaximus25]

I don’t know much about power lifting comps in fact I'm going to post this in the Power lifting arena. So please reply there if you’re a competitive Power lifter

I use halo every other week to every 2 weeks (twice in the same week for legs and chest) when I do my most powerful and heaviest lifts.

Do they test right before you walk out to lift... how does it work? Cause 8-10mg of halo allows me to easily add 40-70lbs to any bench and 100-200lb on leg press, squats and deads. This really helps me cause on heavy days I do gut busting drop sets. Let’s get it on

I'd like to add I dont use Halo when trying to gauge my strength on average.

[Doc.Sust]

no they test you beofre or after the contest, not usually during, there are organizations that do not test

[bmg]

each major federations are posting their rule books online. this info should state if the meets are tested and other related info. if you want to use your halo in a meet try scoping out the american powerlifting federation... they wont care.

[Wayne Mudrack]

What is halo? And how does it work?

[mmaximus25]

What is halo? And how does it work?

http://www.steroid.com/Halotestin.php


If I have the right meals before heavy trainning I typically go up 60-80lbs on all benches and 100-200lbs on all leg lifts, presses ...etc..while training.

I use it as a training tool to help tear down more fibers by lifting more weight.. My thing is I only use on heavy days. It not meant to be taken everyday for normal workouts... BBer use it for pre-contest also...

[powerliftmike]

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/ look for organizations that dont test, like WPO.

[barbndr]

I ran many contest back in the late 70s all the way into the 90s. Like most of the replies have stated, do a little research on the organization (who the meet is sanctioned by) to find out the type of testing. There should be some mention of it on the entry blank. Almost 90% of the time the testing will be done after the meet as most organizations test a percentage of the winners and don't want to throw away money on someone who bombs a meet. Additionally, you could just call the meet director and ask what type of testing is being performed.

[Needle_Newb]

That seems like a large increase for such an irregular use of halotestin .

[mmaximus25]

That seems like a large increase for such an irregular use of halotestin.

Is this a question? I dont understand... Are you inquiring how I use halo or do you have a question of the use of halo...

I've used on all heavy training days dbol , anadrol , and halo... never at the same time and usually one for the entire cycle...

I'm not sure of your experience level... But I'll be the first to tell you anybody or IMO dumbass that takes dbol, drol or halo thru out the day cause they think they need to reach some serum level with a drug that has a half life of hours.. Is making a bad mistake...

Try taking the entire dosage an hour to 30min before lift... My metabolic rate is very speedy... I always take 30min before lifts...

Additionally these drugs if used in a good diet and strength program can help acheive solid lean body mass, no doubt.. You surround and create your highest anabolic atmoshpere around training time... protein/carbs before, during and after training in conjuction with AAS dosage...

If you take anadrol every day try only taking it once or twice a week on heavy lifting days... Your reaction to it will be my rebuttal to mosts objection...

[mmaximus25]

I think I understand your question... my poundages... yes... The difference is simple without halo and I did carb load I would start with 70lb dumbells and work up to 120's... with halo I would start warm up with may be 70 but the 1st set would be with 100's or 110's and work to 150's.. thats bench and dumbells... I haven;t gone over to the decline latley and see the monster go town in awhile... I like heavy, heavy decline... haven't done it in some time my back is an issue but I bench the most on barbell decline... fo sho

on legs I dont like to squat if training regularly over 315... on light days and usually stay at deep 225.. heavy days I go to 405, 455 not been recent in fact been a coulple years since I've squatted over 455 but 475... that would be only on a heavy day after carb loading the day before up until lift...

Leg press is too funky with percentages and how much direct weight are you lifting, but yeah I easily add 200 more pounds on a halo training day with leg press.. no problem

make since now....?

[taiotosh7]

I've never thought of using halo just as a tool to boost my workouts.....I will consider it, sounds very interesting.....any more info on this?

[mmaximus25]

I've never thought of using halo just as a tool to boost my workouts.....I will consider it, sounds very interesting.....any more info on this?

The dosage is simple for me I'm not that big... Some bigger bros would need to take a bit more if using as a training tool... But I always carb load the day of and the day before... helps mentally for heavy days as you probably already know...

Halo I stay no more than 20mg... I usually take a max of 10-15mg
Anadrol is simple either 50mg or 75mg
Dbol , 25-50mg
I take them 1hr to 30mins before heavy training twice a week but not every week.. typically 30mins before also... and I pick one, I've never taken them together...

I have taken all before in halves... like 1hr to 30mins before training I would take half then in the middle or after the 1st exersice I will take the other half...
You will love it on the heaviest days...

It is a bit humbling coming back and lifting without but for me eventually my average strength begins to climb to the heavy poundages but I dont have the same endurance and can't perform as many reps or nearly half as many...
Yet I get closer and closer

[Needle_Newb]

No offence, but I am almost 100% positive your getting a placebo effect. No matter how fast your metabolism, your not going to synthesize muscle in 30 minutes. And my name is a bit of a joke, I can lift some very decent numbers.

[mmaximus25]

No offence, but I am almost 100% positive your getting a placebo effect. No matter how fast your metabolism, your not going to synthesize muscle in 30 minutes. And my name is a bit of a joke, I can lift some very decent numbers.

I would never rule an effect out... I however only operate and speak about my personal experience... I've been guinea pigging for five years now... I stay at 9-10% body fat year around with one 12 week diet down per year and have continued to increase my mass base each year.

Buddy if you think I’m trying to tell you something that goes against what you think or what you've read... its simple try it... I hate, absolutly hate fukers that talk about sh^t they dont know about... I wouldn't do that..

I may read a lot but I will never go against my body’s reaction… I’m experienced enough to know if a synthetic hormone is effecting my body in the dosages I posted above. My preference is halo 10mg, drol 75mg, dbol 50mg... halo is the preference at the moment but that may change once I'ev done my comparison two more times...

Pre-workout meal 1-1/2hrs before training. On an empty stomach pop 20mg of halo 30min prior training and go lift... I drink protein while I train also... Thats to save my mind from a fear of a catabolic effect...

synthesize... dont understand? The AAS compound derivative or nutrient based compound... the full spectrum of protein sysnthesis... or what?

It’s simple...You will have an enormous strength increase allowing you to push more weight and breakdown more skeletal tissue... that is the bases of the intake for training... The reason I started this thread to find out if PL use these in Comp due to the strength increase...

[powerliftmike]

The reason I started this thread to find out if PL use these in Comp due to the strength increase...

Yes, halo is very popular among powerlifters.

[mmaximus25]

No offence, but I am almost 100% positive your getting a placebo effect. No matter how fast your metabolism, your not going to synthesize muscle in 30 minutes. And my name is a bit of a joke, I can lift some very decent numbers.

just looked at your profile... your 335lb you will need to take a definite higher doage than me to conduct my proposed experiment... Although at 18% BF I know your metabolic rate has slown down due to BF...

You're over 100lb heavy than me.. I not sure what dosages you would take for this type of use... maybe 50mg Halo...

I dont even know your base of intake so you would need to play around to figure your dosage used in this method... Again this is not done on a daily basis... typically people take anadrol and dbol on a daily basis and use halo for leaning purposes... I use these either in this training method or for a straight 5 weeks... I see far better purpose for anadrol and dbol taking it in a realtive high amount but a couple times a week. After I played with drol and dbol like this I've only used halo in this manner... I can say 20mg is a bit over board for me but boy do I feel like a freak of nature while training...

[mmaximus25]

Yes, halo is very popular among powerlifters.

Thats what I was really looking for... can you tell me how you or if you know how power lifers take halo for training or is it just for Comp...

I'm only doing this of personal experiment.. I'm sure PL like your self and others have been doing things I'm just now starting to... or maybe in a different way...
I'm not built for BBing I have big bones, large joints and long extremites... I prefer to be as strong as I can and try to look like the Rock at the same time...
I cant call my self either a PL or BBer but I do respect both as a sport... I look a PL's as monsters that produce and show feats of strength...


a bit off topic...
About four yrs ago I saw a guy at about 185 benching 385 as one of his ending lifts... I can only say I was amazed to see such a smaller person than me be as stong well actually stronger in terms of weight ratio... I thought this is not possible, yet he did and it was

[Needle_Newb]

I haven't updated that profile in like a year. I'm around 14% now.
Regardless, that's unheard of my friend. Now if you were talking Cheque Drops , I might have believed you.

About four yrs ago I saw a guy at about 185 benching 385 as one of his ending lifts... I can only say I was amazed to see such a smaller person than me be as stong well actually stronger in terms of weight ratio... I thought this is not possible, yet he did and it was

Size has very little to do with Strength. There is just way more too it. Levers, % of white muscle fibers, how explosive the athlete is, technique and form etc... Go to the IPF powerlifting site, check out what some of the lighter bodyweights lift. You'll be amazed.

[mmaximus25]

I haven't updated that profile in like a year. I'm around 14% now.
Regardless, that's unheard of my friend. Now if you were talking Cheque Drops , I might have believed you.

Size has very little to do with Strength. There is just way more too it. Levers, % of white muscle fibers, how explosive the athlete is, technique and form etc... Go to the IPF powerlifting site, check out what some of the lighter bodyweights lift. You'll be amazed.

I'm still trying to figure out where you're coming from... First you can’t believe my body’s reaction to Halo... ok, then you being in protein synthesis which happens all day long and more so at night... not sure why again you brought that up in conjunction with Halotestin ’s response time.

Now you can't believe a lift or what is your question/ issue so that I may either explain so you can understand or disprove thru my personal experience...

Its simple, I have reading knowledge but more importantly my AAS and training knowledge comes from my experience and personalize experimentation of group theory in reference to our body’s physiology and pointed or more focused on the endocrine and digestive system...
If you can’t accept something I recommend without trying then there is no basis to continue to debate... Well actually I'm not sure what's debatable... still don’t know where you’re coming from... You make statements with no question, you respond to questions with no answer but with additional statements…

I very experienced with debate so, let’s have at it…

[Needle_Newb]

You saying you get like 100lbs out of your lifts while taking a single dose of halo before training. It takes a week or 2 for those drugs (anadrol , dianabol , halo) to start seeing gains. Cheque drops though are known to increase aggression to enhance lifting whithin an hour.

[mmaximus25]

You saying you get like 100lbs out of your lifts while taking a single dose of halo before training. It takes a week or 2 for those drugs (anadrol, dianabol, halo) to start seeing gains. Cheque drops though are known to increase aggression to enhance lifting whithin an hour.

Dude this is kinda long, I can really spew but all I can say is confrontation brings the best out of me… So bare with me and read this when you get a chance…
I take a different approach to the use of Halo, Anadrol and dbol ... I'm not familiar with Cheque drops though... so I can’t comment. (I will look it up though)

In terms of gains the results are harder to gage in days… I think that electromyographic data, blood volume and some type of density test would be needed… But those are gains in terms of tissue density are what I think you mean… Water is not always bad its 70% of you muscle right… I’m not talking about the ending result of gains though…
I meant more of the physiological effect on strength, which will in turn allow you to break down more fibers, in turn allowing you to heal more fibers (prop nutrition granted), leading to an end result of greater muscle mass and strength… Yes I agree that the gains attributed are not seen right away but thru weekly/monthly measurement… (the strength increase I’m talking about seems similar to these Cheque drops… I will most definitely look this up)

I am basing my consumption of Halo, drol and dbol on the below:
I believe that the blood volume increase due to the compounds taken can be utilized to #1 help breakdown higher amounts of protein fibers (muscle tissue) and also give a #2 jump start on recovery...

To answer your first response more fully... I do think from the time the whole dosage of Halo is taken (on an empty stomach approx 30min before you/me arrive at the gym) through approx 3-4 warm up sets I perform... the compound is reactive... I know I can not normally lift 150 dumbbells normally much less for 4-6 reps... I stay at 120's for the most part...
A bit of confusion might be that I generalized the total poundages above... But I am sincere to you… that if I take the difference in lbs from my ending lifts when not taking halo verses when I do take the compound... It’s more accurately put that a 60-70lbs increase is happening for me...
The same goes with leg press and squat... As I warm up I begin to notice the increase pump as I get closer and closer to my working sets...
On leg press without halo I stay at around 630-720lbs as my ending lifts but rep high from 10-15reps... (feet low) with halo I will add weight but decrease my rep range to 6-8 but the weight is easily increased to 900lbs... Again that’s leg press and not a good judge for direct lift as I'm beginning to under stand some PL lingo...
The one recording issue is that my strength is getting closer and closer to the 150’s… I can now perform reps of 6 with 130’s and rep qty4 of the 140’s… So I may need a new goal sooner than later…

I think you should try my method to see for your self but not with out hearing my reasoning... I'm sure you know about half life and esters so I'm going to attempt to give my theory, which I'm 100% sure others have done this before me.

I once took drol, dbol through out the day as a beginner popping 5mg tabs of dbol until reaching 30mg before work out and then after work out I would take another 10-20mg additional... The same for anadrol except I took it in halves... 25mg 1-2 hrs before training and 25mg after... I saw a more level increase of poundages lifted... meaning I could lift more weight more often and close to all the time I trained... I will say that my lifts weren’t dramatic at all to me just that I'm on juice and this is what typically happens to me or has happen for the past 4yrs... I did have some prostate issues due my excessive use of these drugs which is why I say it’s idiotic to take them any other way than my new method... (I wouldn't call anyone a dumbass if I weren't the dumbass first)

I can tell you with out a single doubt that starting from the first day of consumption the physiological effects were felt by my body... my strength was amazing, although I never took the time for comparison I know that the compounds worked immediately or more so the very same day...


My theory:
The first part of the compound will raise blood volume along with higher nitrogen consumption (which also means higher oxygen intake) this allows your body to speed APT for more dramatic power during lifts... The metabolism of glucose and triglycerides is being raised even higher than normal (normal being your already high blood volume due to Test and other anabolics taken weekly). The second half would be how the compound binds to protein cells (receptor sites/ target cells) this would be the aid in protein synthesis which with the proper nutrient intake can begin much sooner and more efficiently

Keep the above in mind... Now we all know that a half life of a compound in most cases isn't stressed because the number of times the compound is taken... successfully eliminating the worry of half life... but creating a higher level of toxicity to the liver and kidney’s… (IMO its also an up and down flux in targets cells on a daily basis if taken through out the day)
Well my method directly concerns half life... Assume that your base of AAS is test and EQ, my method would be used to heighten fiber tear down and recuperation one to two days a week only… not every day alright…

The reasoning for consumption 1hr to 30mins before to #1 allow your body to make use of the highest amount of androgen put free into the blood stream... As with pills your largest amount of androgens distributed takes place after the First Pass Effect of the liver... meaning the compound has made it successfullly through the liver and in the blood stream were it begins to degrade... after your highest realease which is the approx half life of the drug... It only decreases from there which is why people take the compound through out the day to effectively keep an optimal level of particular androgen...

(Mistake for a number of reasons) Not here... don’t what to go down that path... so stay close I am dyslexic...

I want the compound (lets use Halo) which say has a 6-10hr life span to be taken in the highest dosage possible but all at one time... to #1 utilize the highest amount of the compound distributed after the First Pass Effect... I believe a greater overall strength increase happens and can not be compared to the same compound but taken at dosages consumed and distributed through out the day...
The weight increase (lbs lifted during training) will allow the individual to break down more tissue for repair… you will save your liver the trouble of processing bits through out the day... not that its easier on the liver because you will be taking a big doase at once but least your liver can work on filtering ordinary nutrients.

#2 the life span of the compound now has a legitimate purpose after the First Pass Effect... That purpose is to aid in protein synthesis and more efficiently... So the remaining yet lower release of the compound after the half life will effectively help you to repair your muscle fibers immediately after workout (this is assuming there is proper carb loading before and proper amounts of glucose and protein taken in after training) You can dispute and say why not take a pill before training and one after… Reason other than subjecting your liver to an additional toxic dose would be your body needs to have more focus on rest not process… the liver needs to function on normal nutrients other than stressful metabolites and other compounds… You already have the remaining half life of the Halo, dbol or drol to contend with… this is in effort to protect your organs somewhat and with additional morality.

I know it is not recommended that doses over 40mg of Halo be taken... But again with my experience and knowledge a man your size has the ability to produce a higher amount of target cells upon up regulation due to a larger sum of muscle mass compared to a 200lb lifter... Example... say I'm 200lbs 14% BF and your 300lbs 14% BF the 2nd has a larger amount of lean mass... A calculation of 2mg per lb is determined (for Ex) the more muscle mass the higher number of target cells... Or easier put the larger amount of mass can yield a higher probablity of target cells... This may not change the individuals affinity per androgen, but this can account for the need of higher dosage amoung larger individuals... This is why dosages will continue to go up but level at some genetic adaption (not saturation... Dont believe in such an effect, our body's are negative feed back systems)... The only other way to affect the body, any body with a lower or low dosages would be to take longer breaks with out AAS to effectively allow for a down regulation period which will in turn create a greater response (up regulation of target cells) once the androgen is introduced again... My second theory actually allows for a long consistance dose that neither goes up or down, yet a steady introduction each day with short esters...
Long story short... If I take 20mg of Halo I think you would need 40-50mg to see for yourself the influence it has on your strength with in the first 2 exercise’s not counting warm-up...

If you dont agree we may have to agree to disagree... deal

[mmaximus25]

The only thing I want to add is the half life issue... Once you've taken any androgen you should compare it to its profile (A process of receptor mapping)... Those are ranges and not very good ones once you start comparing your personal effectiveness to the profile... People that throw profiles at you don’t have good personal knowledge of the compound and its physiological affects.
I have mapped my dosages per ester but as far as pills go I know more about dbol and halo... anadrol I took long ago and didn't make notes of its half life and my consumption...

Say an average half life is 3-4hrs meaning the life span is only 6-8hrs... the highest dosage released will be at or around the half life... This perception is too easily thrown around... until you apply these averages to your own personal metabolism you’re not exactly dialing it in... I know everyone doesn't care but I for one am a geek about human chemistry and would like to always be at optimal performance... I also am an advocate for taking the most effective amount with the lowest posibly side effects.
Ok, so lets say the highest dosage for a particluar androgen/anabolic is at 3-4hrs on average... Its worth knowing if you are in the higher or lower end of the half life for my methods of creating the highest anabolic atmosphere you can achieve... diet, training technique and in conjunction with hormone supps this atmosphere can be achieved...

You want to effectively be training at or closer to the half life to allow the remaining dosage to be put to use during recovery which starts as your consuming your post work out meal...


This is my method I've come to use for the past 3yrs... I spend less money on all my AAS and other supps due to my intake and receptor mapping

[Velkar182]

Has anyone else had these effects using Halo? Or heard of such effects? I am interested in trying but are there any side effects to taking halo once every couple of weeks.

[mmaximus25]

everyone responds to drugs differently. The way a person responds to a drug is affected by many factors, including genetic makeup, age, body size, the use of other drugs and dietary supplements (such as medicinal herbs (see Medicinal Herbs and Nutraceuticals: Introduction), the consumption of food (including beverages), the presence of diseases (such as kidney or liver disease), and the development of tolerance and resistance. For example, a large person generally needs more of a drug than a smaller person needs for the same effect. Whether people take a drug as instructed (see Compliance With Drug Treatment: Introduction) also affects their response to it. These factors may affect what the body does to the drug (pharmacokinetics (see Administration and Kinetics of Drugs: Introduction), what the drug does to the body (pharmacodynamics (see Dynamics of Drugs: Introduction), or both.

A friend I train is a pharmacologist... He cut and pasted this awhile back when we were talking about people looking at profiles and actually having a different physiological effect.

Profiles are a base but far from acurate...

I say take the halo write down your dose and reaction after 2weeks consumption of a particular method of use....

The only thing I want to add is the half life issue... Once you've taken any androgen you should compare it to its profile (A process of receptor mapping)... Those are ranges and not very good ones once you start comparing your personal effectiveness to the profile... People that throw profiles at you don’t have good personal knowledge of the compound and its physiological affects.
I have mapped my dosages per ester but as far as pills go I know more about dbol and halo... anadrol I took long ago and didn't make notes of its half life and my consumption...

Say an average half life is 3-4hrs meaning the life span is only 6-8hrs... the highest dosage released will be at or around the half life... This perception is too easily thrown around... until you apply these averages to your own personal metabolism you’re not exactly dialing it in... I know everyone doesn't care but I for one am a geek about human chemistry and would like to always be at optimal performance... I also am an advocate for taking the most effective amount with the lowest posibly side effects.
Ok, so lets say the highest dosage for a particluar androgen/anabolic is at 3-4hrs on average... Its worth knowing if you are in the higher or lower end of the half life for my methods of creating the highest anabolic atmosphere you can achieve... diet, training technique and in conjunction with hormone supps this atmosphere can be achieved...

You want to effectively be training at or closer to the half life to allow the remaining dosage to be put to use during recovery which starts as your consuming your post work out meal...

This is my method I've come to use for the past 3yrs... I spend less money on all my AAS and other supps due to my intake and receptor mapping

[mkrulic]

I don’t know much about power lifting comps in fact I'm going to post this in the Power lifting arena. So please reply there if you’re a competitive Power lifter

I use halo every other week to every 2 weeks (twice in the same week for legs and chest) when I do my most powerful and heaviest lifts.

Do they test right before you walk out to lift... how does it work? Cause 8-10mg of halo allows me to easily add 40-70lbs to any bench and 100-200lb on leg press, squats and deads. This really helps me cause on heavy days I do gut busting drop sets. Let’s get it on

I'd like to add I dont use Halo when trying to gauge my strength on average.

Does this affect your sex drive? I was allways under the impression that taking orals w/o test will kill your sex drive

[mmaximus25]

Does this affect your sex drive? I was allways under the impression that taking orals w/o test will kill your sex drive

I dont know. I always have a test running if on... I guess your asking if used in comp.
That would be an experiment to see the individuals reaction to halo alone with out any other component...

I use as training tool (upping your strength with particular lifts) and you need have a growth focus.

I wonder if theres a PL competitor that has used halo by itself during comp... I dont think it would effect your sex drive unless it was taken every day and for a long period of time but I can't say per my experience...

[mkrulic]

I dont know. I always have a test running if on... I guess your asking if used in comp.
That would be an experiment to see the individuals reaction to halo alone with out any other component...

I use as training tool (upping your strength with particular lifts) and you need have a growth focus.

I wonder if theres a PL competitor that has used halo by itself during comp... I dont think it would effect your sex drive unless it was taken every day and for a long period of time but I can't say per my experience...

I didn't know you were running test w/ it. Do you cycle the test w/ the halo? If so which test do you use?
The last time I competed I was on test/tren /deca and I used the night before the comp. If you're going to be on I think it just makes sense to use during comp. imho

[Velkar182]

I am going to give this a try, but not till later, because I have to figure out how to get this crap. I have actually never heard of it till now. I'll let you guys know what happens.

[mmaximus25]

I didn't know you were running test w/ it. Do you cycle the test w/ the halo? If so which test do you use?
The last time I competed I was on test/tren/deca and I used the night before the comp. If you're going to be on I think it just makes sense to use during comp. imho

Yes I cycle test with Halo, winny, dbol , (if over 10wks say 15-30wks then will use EQ too) and now LR3 IGF... (Proviron , nolva, HCG ,,, all though out my cycles and for PCT too)

I only run propionate ... I do how ever take low dosages... What I have found is my reaction to test (all of them) is very strong (my reaction to other anabolics is so strong I often hesitate to say yes to things like tren ) and as long as the dose stays consistent or elevated (not lowered) I have a consistent reaction to it... (my intake comes from personal receptor mapping or finding my optimal dosages in regards to effectiveness/side effect ratio)

I take 50-100mg of prop Ed...(Currently only 50mg) I like the effectiveness and productiveness prop offers... (I don’t see the need for long esters for my purpose and I prefer to pinpoint injections to the particular muscles being trained on a daily basis) Remember I'm going for highest effectiveness and efficiency per dollar amount and per side effects for my body.... And to be really honest With 50mg of prop a day I can change from leaning to bulking personally with in a week by changing my diet... has nothing to do with my hormone intake....

What test did you use?

I've heard PL use test prop and suspension with halo during comp (old tubby, stocky guy from the gym)... Don’t know if the guys for real, but don’t know why he'd lie and I don’t compete

[OldUncle]

Powerlifters (and athletes in most sports where strength and aggression give an edge) use halo in large numbers. BBers generally don't use it because it is piss poor for mass gains, etc. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone else using it in for only one dose prior to lifting - usually, it's a couple pills per day for the last 2-4 weeks before a meet to get the aggression up. This drug is not about physical changes but psychological arousal levels, and it works like a MFer. 30 years of gym rat and comp experience under my belt, and the only times I've ever seen anything like 'roid rage ' were lifters on halo getting ready for a big meet.