Preacher curls

[J.M.O.34]

Which grip is better for putting on mass, the in close grip or the wide grip?

[RJstrong]

Which grip is better for putting on mass, the in close grip or the wide grip?

IMO you should work both... putting on mass is more about the correct reps and sets along with weight choice for your particular build.

[Doc.Sust]

this is thw wrong forum for that questions, powerlifters very rarely focus at all on curls, myself, i cant remember the lat time i curled.

mass in about hypertrophy, training to failure, as long as you do this and keep switching up the execises you will grow

[Fallen_Angel]

I think to be strong it is necessary as a powerlifter to train both the Big three and each individual unit (muscle). Vary all of your exercises in the angle, isolation, time it takes to do each rep, the time between reps...everything you can imagine. If you do 4 sets with an EZ bar, then alternate grip.

[quarry206]

fallen you have a point if you are talking about all around muscle strength... but when doing the big three. biceps are not used almost at all... the only thing you might get out of curling when it comes to power lifting is alittle forearm work out... everything else when it comes to biceps are for looks or over all strength.. not power lifting

[Fallen_Angel]

I disagree. Strong biceps can be the difference between bringing the bar up evenly in a deadlift. Also, the bicep is an important stabilizer, especially when you get up to the 600 lbs range. Perhaps I am speaking more from a HWT's perspective, but look at Bolton. His arms are powerful and thick, which gives him control in the deadlift. Big Gene and Mendy have insane arm strength and brachili development and they are the worlds best benchers. There is no such thing as a great powerlifter with a weak link. It is a matter of fact, even though bis aren't priority #1 in competition prep.

[scottish]

Yea, but if your constantly lifting heavy, arent you also working other body parts with out knowing it? Maybe not to an extent of major muscle growth.

[Thin Ice]

There's a difference between using a muscle during an exercise and actually working the muscle. For example, rows use biceps, lats, rear deltoids, as well as many back and leg muscles. However, during a row workout, your upper body will most likely fail long before your lower body starts to feel the workout, so your kidding yourself if you think you're building big squat/deadlift power just by doing rows. The same is true with some of the other things mentioned here, such as deadlifts working the biceps just because biceps stabilize the deadlift.

If you want strong biceps, lats, and rear relts, you have to dedicate part of your workout to weighted chin-ups, curls, and/or similar exercises. I strongly recommend working these muscles, because they are important for functional strength. They are needed to perform such activities as as lifting boulders, boxes, and other bulky, awkward objects to high shelves, as well as climbing ropes, mountains, etc., especially if there are no footholds available.

Imagine if you win powerlifting competitions without paying attention to these muscles, but when you go to help a friend move you appear to be the weakest guy there! You'd attract the wrong kind of laughter for sure. I know I'm being a little facetious here, but that's just my .

[Doc.Sust]

I disagree. Strong biceps can be the difference between bringing the bar up evenly in a deadlift. Also, the bicep is an important stabilizer, especially when you get up to the 600 lbs range. Perhaps I am speaking more from a HWT's perspective, but look at Bolton. His arms are powerful and thick, which gives him control in the deadlift. Big Gene and Mendy have insane arm strength and brachili development and they are the worlds best benchers. There is no such thing as a great powerlifter with a weak link. It is a matter of fact, even though bis aren't priority #1 in competition prep.

ask gene how many curls he does a wk. answer ZERO. i have seen mendys workout also, didnt see any curls in his program. bolton does 3 sets of hammer curls, wouldnt say anyone focuses on this movemnt

[Doc.Sust]

There's a difference between using a muscle during an exercise and actually working the muscle. For example, rows use biceps, lats, rear deltoids, as well as many back and leg muscles. However, during a row workout, your upper body will most likely fail long before your lower body starts to feel the workout, so your kidding yourself if you think you're building big squat/deadlift power just by doing rows. The same is true with some of the other things mentioned here, such as deadlifts working the biceps just because biceps stabilize the deadlift.

If you want strong biceps, lats, and rear relts, you have to dedicate part of your workout to weighted chin-ups, curls, and/or similar exercises. I strongly recommend working these muscles, because they are important for functional strength. They are needed to perform such activities as as lifting boulders, boxes, and other bulky, awkward objects to high shelves, as well as climbing ropes, mountains, etc., especially if there are no footholds available.

Imagine if you win powerlifting competitions without paying attention to these muscles, but when you go to help a friend move you appear to be the weakest guy there! You'd attract the wrong kind of laughter for sure. I know I'm being a little facetious here, but that's just my .

??????????? if you powerlift you dont need to curl,it is that simple. it wont make you a better powerlifter, also your analogy about moving boxes, picking up boulders etc has very little to do with curls or biceps, last time i checked, climbing ropes and mountains etc uses alot of other major muscle groups alot more than biceps. ask the strongman competitors if the do preacher curls or have an entire workout day for bi's. they would laugh,

[bigpianoman]

I can row 400x5. however i can't do 12 reps of 135 pound barbell curls. I never feel my biceps working on deads or barbell rows. Biceps are overrated and what i say curls are for pussies looking for pussy.

[Thin Ice]

??????????? if you powerlift you dont need to curl,it is that simple. it wont make you a better powerlifter, also your analogy about moving boxes, picking up boulders etc has very little to do with curls or biceps, last time i checked, climbing ropes and mountains etc uses alot of other major muscle groups alot more than biceps. ask the strongman competitors if the do preacher curls or have an entire workout day for bi's. they would laugh,

No curls, huh? I was just using curls as an example of an exercise to get muscle groups not used much in powerlifting, but check out Scot Mendelson's benching advice. Pay special attention to how he works his Brachialii.

Also, if you cradle something heavy in your arms while carrying it, your biceps will be the weak link. They're also important if you want to win at arm wrestling, in which the optimum strategy is to pull your opponent's arm toward you for leverage and use the rotator cuff to put their hand on the table. When doing the clean part of a clean and jerk, most of the power comes from momentum built up using lower body and core, but it helps to have strong biceps to pull the weight up to the chest. Then there's the issue of aesthetics.

I will give you this, though, the other upperbody pulling muscles such as lats and rear delts seem to be more useful in most circumstances. During most functional pulling motions, such as weighted chip-ups, the arms can be angled such that the lats/rear delts do most of the pulling instead of the weaker biceps.

Anyway, why wouldn't you work the biceps? You don't have to dedicate a whole day to it; just lump it in with another workout day. It's not like it's that hard or time consuming.

[Doc.Sust]

No curls, huh? I was just using curls as an example of an exercise to get muscle groups not used much in powerlifting, but check out Scot Mendelson's benching advice. Pay special attention to how he works his Brachialii.

Also, if you cradle something heavy in your arms while carrying it, your biceps will be the weak link. They're also important if you want to win at arm wrestling, in which the optimum strategy is to pull your opponent's arm toward you for leverage and use the rotator cuff to put their hand on the table. When doing the clean part of a clean and jerk, most of the power comes from momentum built up using lower body and core, but it helps to have strong biceps to pull the weight up to the chest. Then there's the issue of aesthetics.

I will give you this, though, the other upperbody pulling muscles such as lats and rear delts seem to be more useful in most circumstances. During most functional pulling motions, such as weighted chip-ups, the arms can be angled such that the lats/rear delts do most of the pulling instead of the weaker biceps.

Anyway, why wouldn't you work the biceps? You don't have to dedicate a whole day to it; just lump it in with another workout day. It's not like it's that hard or time consuming.

the routine of mendys i saw didnt work curls, also 3 sets of hammer curls is alot different than doing a bi day.
hey to each there own, i feel i dont have to work bi's because i get enough bi' work indirectly from doing pulling movements. so mendelson does curls, big deal! he certainly doesnt work them like a BBer would. i train with one of the top pressers on the planet and he doesnet do curls either, i am not going to name drop on this board,trust me he has been in the neighborhood of 900lbs. this guy also took my press from the low 400's to 600lbs in a few months, and guess what?we didnt use curls! dont give me the smiley. when you can touch any of my recent numbers or past records when i was a 181lber , than you can give me the smiley as much as you like.

[Thin Ice]

the routine of mendys i saw didnt work curls, also 3 sets of hammer curls is alot different than doing a bi day.
hey to each there own, i feel i dont have to work bi's because i get enough bi' work indirectly from doing pulling movements.

Actually, my original point was that in addition to powerlifting exercises, one need to work the upper body "pulling" muscles i.e. biceps, lats, rear delts, and some of the more minor muscles, which aren't used to any great degree in the big three powerlifts. I never said anything about a bicep day, since that would be silly. Since I haven't experimented with many pulling movements, it might be true that biceps get worked plenty from some of those motions. All I know is that weighted chin-ups, regardless of my grip, scorch my lats long before any other muscle group.

so mendelson does curls, big deal! he certainly doesnt work them like a BBer would. i train with one of the top pressers on the planet and he doesnet do curls either, i am not going to name drop on this board,trust me he has been in the neighborhood of 900lbs. this guy also took my press from the low 400's to 600lbs in a few months, and guess what?we didnt use curls!

Maybe he'd be doing 1000+ like Mendelson if he did curls.

dont give me the smiley. when you can touch any of my recent numbers or past records when i was a 181lber , than you can give me the smiley as much as you like.

Do I sense a little 'roid rage here? Number 30 from the 30 biggest lies in bodybuilding comes to mind. This is the same thing you did in this squat thread in response to my idea of using a hex bar lifts instead of squats in a workout. You didn't agree with it, but couldn't find any reason why this substitution wouldn't work even though the motions are ostensibly similar, so you just became nasty and dismissive toward the idea. All you said was "there doesnt have to be research done on this" - which just means you didn't do any research on it! (In fact, I found a lot of Internet articles along the lines of what I was saying, but I couldn't find any condemning the trap bar/squat substitution.)

Here it's the same thing. I come up with umpteen uses for muscles you insist are of little use in functional strength, and when you run out of legitimate arguments against ther idea, you resort to this pettiness. Well, two can play that game. I would take a crack at your powerlifting records, but juicing to get huge muscles and a steroidally shrunken d!ck just isn't for me.

[Doc.Sust]

Maybe he'd be doing 1000+ like Mendelson if he did curls.


Do I sense a little 'roid rage here? Number 30 from the 30 biggest lies in bodybuilding comes to mind. This is the same thing you did in this squat thread in response to my idea of using a hex bar lifts instead of squats in a workout. You didn't agree with it, but couldn't find any reason why this substitution wouldn't work even though the motions are ostensibly similar, so you just became nasty and dismissive toward the idea. All you said was "there doesnt have to be research done on this" - which just means you didn't do any research on it! (In fact, I found a lot of Internet articles along the lines of what I was saying, but I couldn't find any condemning the trap bar/squat substitution.)

Here it's the same thing. I come up with umpteen uses for muscles you insist are of little use in functional strength, and when you run out of legitimate arguments against ther idea, you resort to this pettiness. Well, two can play that game. I would take a crack at your powerlifting records, but juicing to get huge muscles and a steroidally shrunken d!ck just isn't for me.

LOL! if you think mendy pressed a grand because he did curls you know even less about powerlifting than i thought!LOL!!! by the way this is a powerlifting forum not the funtional stength forum.topics are looked at from more of a powerlifters perspective. if we are looking at POWERLIFTING from a FUNCTIONAL perspective, than you would realize that the exercises used for functional trianing for THIS specific sport dont focus on the biceps because they ARE NOT a major muscle used in any of the big 3 lifts.

and jack ASS ,my records are drug free records, second off, you couldnt carry my jock strap. 3rd, you are SO uneducated in this sport, you should give advice to NOBODY, the hex bar and the squat aren COMPLETELY different and only someone who is so ignorant to exercise like yourself would argue this, i have donemore research in this sport than you will ever do in your life, i also have the academic background to base this argument bio-mechanicaly. one movemnt is a push, one movemntis a pull, some similar muscles are used, but in NO WAY can you subsitute this for a squat and get the same results. if you put 2 people of = strength up against each other. one trained for 8 wks doing squats, one used the hex, than you had them max on the squats, the person who trained the squat would win.HANDS DOWN!!!key to funtional strength is to use exercises that are the most similar to the movement you are training for. not to mention PRACTICE with technique. this is common sense and also has been documented by mel siff phd in his book"SUPER TRAINING" as well as vladimer zartiosky phd in his book SCIENCE AND PRACTICE OF STRENGTH TRAINING which I HAVE researched among many other books,magazines and articles and i have been doing this for 15years.not to mention that i train with several lifters who are on the top of this sport ( one who has the highest total in his weight class EVER in any organization) and i learn from them.i have won many contests myself. i havent lost one since 1999. i hold several national and world records along with an elite total. I have ranked in the top 100 in powerlifting usa in 3 sepearte weight classes multiple times, i also have had my picture in the magazine 3 times. obviously, i know something to get to the level i did(by the way what is your background? does it come close to mine? where is your research?)

you dont want to listen fine, i dont give a damn what you do, but when you come on this and try to give out advice that is completely ass backwards and wrong, i will call you out on it everytime because i dont want any idiot like yourself to mis-educate other lifters on the board and that is what you are doing. keep it up and your stay here will be short to say the least.

[Thin_Ice_]

i am tool, nobody cares about me, i need attention and i dont know when to stop an argument now i will be banned for good.