Lion Dropped His Price

**Vettester** · 01-15-2010, 09:00 PM

Just saw where Lion's price dropped. I ordered mine late last week and paid the higher price. Would have saved around $25 if I waited a few days.

**Vettester** · 01-15-2010, 09:11 PM

Or, maybe I'm just starting to get the vision sides and I'm seeing lower prices.

**Necrosaro** · 01-15-2010, 09:15 PM

You are correct that he has lowered the price

Hope to get some soon

**bass** · 01-15-2010, 11:49 PM

thats great...

**MuscleScience** · 01-15-2010, 11:54 PM

why not just PM him and ask if you can have a credit or something?

**Vettester** · 01-16-2010, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

why not just PM him and ask if you can have a credit or something?

Actually, I did send him a message about it before making the post. I'm sure Lion will respond with something positive. They've done me good in the past.

**Equiguns** · 01-18-2010, 04:27 PM

did you get a refund?? the price isnt the best either...if no refund then i'de just take my business elsewhere...there are much cheaper legit sources.

**Vettester** · 01-19-2010, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Equiguns

did you get a refund?? the price isnt the best either...if no refund then i'de just take my business elsewhere...there are much cheaper legit sources.

Well, since you asked, the answer given was "No." They said that they try to keep their customers fully informed of upcoming discounts and sales, but in this case it was an "internal price schedule for S4."

The ironic thing is, I had a discount from Lion for almost $50, which was due to a missing package from December. At the last minute (and I mean literally last minute), that package showed up the same day that I was going to use the discount to order some S4. I sent Lion an immediate email telling him that their package finally arrived after 3 weeks, thus I would not take his discount code.

Oh well, enough said, I'll just shop a little a little harder next time.

Thanks for asking!

**Equiguns** · 01-19-2010, 12:59 AM

yikes!!! shop around next time

... there are better deals elsewhere. not the greatest customer treatment. g'luck

**toothache** · 01-19-2010, 09:56 AM

If the price would have risen would you give more money to them?

I'll keep shopping there because they do have great customer service and their stuff is legit. When it comes to putting stuff into my body I will go with the reliable source...ARR.

**moranitotongano** · 01-19-2010, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by toothache

If the price would have risen would you give more money to them?

Haha, true that..

**endus** · 01-19-2010, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by toothache

If the price would have risen would you give more money to them?

I'll keep shopping there because they do have great customer service and their stuff is legit. When it comes to putting stuff into my body I will go with the reliable source...ARR.

Legit as Ostarine they are selling? Are you sure?

I like Ar-r as they are convenient and good source but even good one might not know what they are selling, is all.

**toothache** · 01-19-2010, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by endus

Legit as Ostarine they are selling? Are you sure?

I like Ar-r as they are convenient and good source but even good one might not know what they are selling, is all.

Yes their sarms is legit otstarine. They put the certificate of authentication right on their site. I doubt they forged the coa.

**Equiguns** · 01-19-2010, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by endus

Legit as Ostarine they are selling? Are you sure?

I like Ar-r as they are convenient and good source but even good one might not know what they are selling, is all.

Whats this mean? Whats wrong with the S4 they are selling? Something i missed i guess...

**Equiguns** · 01-19-2010, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by toothache

Yes their sarms is legit otstarine. They put the certificate of authentication right on their site. I doubt they forged the coa.

certificate of authetication... this is a joke right? if i show you a bank statement that says $100000000 bazillion dollars then i guess i'm rich!

one thing you gotta think about when someone doesn't offer to return the difference... do they know something we don't? for instance are they in need of that money ASAP, and for keeps, for some reason?

**Equiguns** · 01-19-2010, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

If the price would have risen would you give more money to them?

I'll keep shopping there because they do have great customer service and their stuff is legit. When it comes to putting stuff into my body I will go with the reliable source...ARR.

not a shit talker but that is the silliest thing i have heard... at least since i read something else hillarious on here 2 days ago

The consumer act as well as the history of the USA and the whole market of shopping is geared towards the consumer (at least on this particular topic) for many reasons which you obviously dont know and i dont want to type. You dont HAVE to refund the difference BUT you will lose customers and your reputation. They directly lost many customers when they didnt refund their money and their customers/friends big $$$ are gone with them. also, they indirectly lost all the people who read thisthread and see what happened to the people who bought products and then didnt get a refund of the difference when the price changed just hours later.
this senario has happened to me numerous times in the past decade and suffice to say, i've always be taken care of in some way or another.

**endus** · 01-19-2010, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Equiguns

Whats this mean? Whats wrong with the S4 they are selling? Something i missed i guess...

Nothing - I still use them. But as best as we collectively have determined, its S4-Andarine, not Ostarine by GTx. And even then, no one fully knows - read all the threads.

**Equiguns** · 01-19-2010, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by endus

Nothing - I still use them. But as best as we collectively have determined, its S4-Andarine, not Ostarine by GTx. And even then, no one fully knows - read all the threads.

umm, andarine is bad... does anyone know why it was stopped in trials?

**endus** · 01-19-2010, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Equiguns

umm, andarine is bad... does anyone know why it was stopped in trials?

Thats the other side of the coin - I don't think its bad (don't know why trial was stopped). Since its new, we don't have any long term data but for few years its been around (S4- Andarine), most complaint people had was vision issue.

**RUI-Products** · 01-19-2010, 01:03 PM

Guys, guys, guys....

If I may chime in....Yes, we've done Vetteman08 good in the past, as we try to do with everyone. And i appreciate him bringing this to the open forum, i have no problem with that. Having 90% of the customer base here online on a daily basis allows for quite a bit of transparency into customer service related issues.

So, to help clear things up...I do try to keep everyone informed on every sale or discount that occurs at the store. As you may know, sometimes you get a months or a weeks notice, other times you get an hour's notice

The SARMs S4 price reduction was NOT a sale or discount, it was a one-time change in price that will not be going back up. It is now $139.99. I promise to give you advanced notice if it goes on sale, as i've done in the past.

Now, regarding its authenticity

One of the reasons for its higher cost than some of the newer sources coming about - is due to its higher raw cost on my end. (I can't even HINT as to my source for SARMs.) But, you know as well as i know --I'm not some member in the background selling this stuff through PM's. We are not a "one-product" show. Quality Assurance is in place for EVERY product sold at the store, not just for SARMs S4. And SARMs is obviously no exception. A third-party analysis from AACL has been performed on each batch of SARMs S4, verifying a conformity of 99.5% in the latest batch.

S4 = (S)-3-(4-acetylamino-phenoxy)-2-hydroxy-2-methyl-N-(4-nitro-3-trifluoromethyl-phenyl)-propionamide

**RUI-Products** · 01-19-2010, 01:49 PM

VetteMan08, check your PM's

**Vettester** · 01-19-2010, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

If the price would have risen would you give more money to them?

I'll keep shopping there because they do have great customer service and their stuff is legit. When it comes to putting stuff into my body I will go with the reliable source...ARR.

As a consumer, it's in my best interest to try to get the best deal for me. It is in Lion's interest, and any other business to get the best deal for them (which I know that side of the coin too). I have no problem with either one of these scenarios, we're all here to make a buck and to save a buck if possible. To answer your question, no, I would not pay back a price increase differential.

Lion's stuff is legit and they've always been top notch professionals. I've never used anyone else, so I don't know exactly who else is competitive. I agree that peace of mind has to be a huge factor when dealing with chemicals, and Lion is reliable. Nothing in this thread on my part will indicate differently.

**endus** · 01-20-2010, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by AR-R

Now, regarding its authenticity

One of the reasons for its higher cost than some of the newer sources coming about - is due to its higher raw cost on my end. (I can't even HINT as to my source for SARMs .) But, you know as well as i know --I'm not some member in the background selling this stuff through PM's. We are not a "one-product" show. Quality Assurance is in place for EVERY product sold at the store, not just for SARMs S4. And SARMs is obviously no exception. A third-party analysis from AACL has been performed on each batch of SARMs S4, verifying a conformity of 99.5% in the latest batch.

S4 = (S)-3-(4-acetylamino-phenoxy)-2-hydroxy-2-methyl-N-(4-nitro-3-trifluoromethyl-phenyl)-propionamide

I would not put smiley with your authenticity claim. Before good folks here determined that your product was not Ostarine - you had a lab certificate claiming that it was Ostarine - and even said that it was on one of the email response to a member here.

Are you 100% sure that this time it is what you claim? It is bit dis concerning since we are using your product for a research but have no way of knowning what we are using. And in order to take your word that its what it is - you have to prove that product you listed was Ostarine - Not Andarine!

It now looks like your lab certificate has the Ostarine wording rubbed out.

You're a good source but once you find things out - you should say so. After all, as you are reading and acknowledging, its not really research for rat isn't it. I am still using your product - but in the future, please, for the sake of your customers, explain why you thought certain things were XXX but now it turns out, it wasn't. We're grown men/women and deserve to know, rather than claims or mis-information through silence although posts are monitored. Thank you.

**RUI-Products** · 01-20-2010, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by endus

I would not put smiley with your authenticity claim. Before good folks here determined that your product was not Ostarine - you had a lab certificate claiming that it was Ostarine - and even said that it was on one of the email response to a member here.

Are you 100% sure that this time it is what you claim? It is bit dis concerning since we are using your product for a research but have no way of knowning what we are using. And in order to take your word that its what it is - you have to prove that product you listed was Ostarine - Not Andarine!

It now looks like your lab certificate has the Ostarine wording rubbed out.

You're a good source but once you find things out - you should say so. After all, as you are reading and acknowledging, its not really research for rat isn't it. I am still using your product - but in the future, please, for the sake of your customers, explain why you thought certain things were XXX but now it turns out, it wasn't. We're grown men/women and deserve to know, rather than claims or mis-information through silence although posts are monitored. Thank you.

I will have an answer for you one way or another VERY soon. What we sell -what we have sold since its first release in September - is S-4. Whether or not that is Ostarine or Andarine is what needs to be determined. We based our initial information on the third party lab results from AACL. The reports regarding AACL and whether or not they had Ostarine incorrectly identified in their database will be determined shortly. I will keep everyone posted.

**endus** · 01-20-2010, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by AR-R

I will have an answer for you one way or another VERY soon. What we sell -what we have sold since its first release in September - is S-4. Whether or not that is Ostarine or Andarine is what needs to be determined. We based our initial information on the third party lab results from AACL. The reports regarding AACL and whether or not they had Ostarine incorrectly identified in their database will be determined shortly. I will keep everyone posted.

I do appreciate your diligence, though little late for this one. You have a good reputation and as a result, we expect nothing less (and reason we keep buying from you). Good job and keep up the good work.

**Equiguns** · 01-20-2010, 05:01 PM

I agree... I appreciate someone coming on here and eventually clearing this up. The last thing AR-R and us, the scientists, want is our group of 200 lb 30-50 year old "rats" coming back with serious issues.

**JoeSmith69** · 02-02-2010, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by toothache

Yes their sarms is legit otstarine. They put the certificate of authentication right on their site. I doubt they forged the coa.

Oops! Rofl...don't believe everything you see on the internet bro.

**Tesla** · 02-03-2010, 06:50 PM

Why on earth does everyone keep calling Andarine "S4" in this thread (and a few others I've noticed). Every piece of friggin literature I've ever seen clearly states that Andarine is S1 and Ostarine is S4.

There is no such thing as S4 Andarine.

**stevey_6t9** · 02-03-2010, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by endus

I do appreciate your diligence, though little late for this one. You have a good reputation and as a result, we expect nothing less (and reason we keep buying from you). Good job and keep up the good work.

well said.

**cherrydrpepper** · 07-05-2010, 01:59 PM

I've done two orders with ar-r and plan on doing another soon. My first was almost a thousand dollars. Thats how much I trust this company.

**Far from massive** · 07-14-2012, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by ar-r

I will have an answer for you one way or another VERY soon. What we sell -what we have sold since its first release in September - is S-4. Whether or not that is Ostarine or Andarine is what needs to be determined. We based our initial information on the third party lab results from AACL. The reports regarding AACL and whether or not they had Ostarine incorrectly identified in their database will be determined shortly. I will keep everyone posted.

Attention AR-R ,

Damn I hate to rebump and old thread but this is too damn strange to leave alone. Its been almost 2.5 years with no update from AR-R....

What are you now calling S4? With all of the possible sides to something as important as vision people really do have a right to know.

**RUI-Products** · 07-16-2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

Attention AR-R ,

Damn I hate to rebump and old thread but this is too damn strange to leave alone. Its been almost 2.5 years with no update from AR-R....

What are you now calling S4? With all of the possible sides to something as important as vision people really do have a right to know.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=andarine

Notice the date of the thread... 2.5 years ago

**cel89** · 08-02-2012, 06:26 AM

If you don't mind me asking how the ffkkk do you guys order gear of the net and receive it, if I was to place an order and get it sent here to australia I'm sure I would be sitting in a court room in front of a judge within a few weeks lol.

**Juced_porkchop** · 08-13-2012, 08:10 AM

No one here is talkng about gear or anything illegal where we live.
Know YOUR laws. ;-)

**Jozzy7** · 08-25-2012, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by cel89

If you don't mind me asking how the ffkkk do you guys order gear of the net and receive it, if I was to place an order and get it sent here to australia I'm sure I would be sitting in a court room in front of a judge within a few weeks lol.

Tell me about it!!! The more I read on this forum the more jealous I become of the light laws of the US.... Should just up and move to thailand :-)