First time S4_LOG

**endus** · 02-15-2010, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by alphonsocino

hey endus, dont forget that link my man!

Actually they are not a source - so just type in tunedsports and add dot com.

No different than other sites but I like how they have it layed out for all the pro-hormones. I have to find a different one for AAS though.

**bass** · 02-15-2010, 04:32 PM

yea like wise I value our correspondence, but not sure why you keep criticizing my log, my log was long gone until we learned about the compound. and yes the only negative side I got was the vision, why is that hard to believe? You saw my blood test, and my PCT was only 2 weeks at very light dose, sure it could have helped little but not much. Sorry for high-jacking this thread…

**endus** · 02-15-2010, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by bass

yea like wise I value our correspondence, but not sure why you keep criticizing my log, my log was long gone until we learned about the compound. and yes the only negative side I got was the vision, why is that hard to believe? You saw my blood test, and my PCT was only 2 weeks at very light dose, sure it could have helped little but not much. Sorry for high-jacking this thread…

Bass, don't worry about it. This wasn't about not believing about your log. Sorry if I offended you or to OP. Still luv yu - not in the gay kind of way, not that there's anything wrong with that.

**bass** · 02-15-2010, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by endus

Still luv yu - not in the gay kind of way.

LOL, thanks for clarifying that...BTW i am doing another blood test in couple of days to see where my test levels are, this time i am doing free and total. we'll keep you posted.

**adam15425** · 02-15-2010, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by endus

Bass, I' highly value/respect our correspondence and hopefully will continue.

However, you must acknowledge the fact that 1) this compound was sold as something it was not, 2) had people confirmed suppression (even though you said it didn't but I mentioned that you probably were not due to the PCT) and 3) subsequent logs mentioning that its very mild or no effect or some people stopping due to mis-information from both the vendor and some logs (both strength gain, vision side and suppression).

To contribute it to bare it all - good and bad. I think I took my share of slack as I was also enthusiastic about this compound. And now in hindsight, it was just that - placebo enthusiasm. I believe you that you are not a sale person but what you are saying is near shilling or white-knighting.

You think by not acknowledging any negative is paying back to this forum? It will actually make people leave as it will be known as a shill site. The reason why I post here instead of others is because its civilized and people seem to tell it like it is. Not because they are trying to pay back for all it gave.

Couldn't agree with you more here Endus

**phat_matt85** · 02-19-2010, 01:20 PM

little update: day 19 bottle almost done. i ran 75 mgs for a week and lowered it to 50mgs bc i decided not to buy another bottle and wanted to get another week or so out of the bottle. So far i had no sides at all, nothing big on strenght gain. I finally weigh my self today and im at 198. i started at 194-195 so i gained 3-4 lbs and its weird because i have been trying to lean out on s4. I can see little more definition as well. From what i have experienced so far, i think you should take at least 100mg ( as almost everyone told me), you should run it for at least 4 weeks. BUT i still think its wayyyyyyy over rated and wayyyyy over priced.

**Necrosaro** · 02-19-2010, 01:36 PM

You are bigger so that 100mgs maybe have done you better. I am good at 50mgs so far however upping it to 100mgs soon enough and will definitly know.

**Stuntgod** · 02-19-2010, 02:56 PM

I think I will run it for 5 weeks.. Sunday will be the beginning of week 4

**alphonsocino** · 02-19-2010, 03:31 PM

i just bumped mine up to 100mgs a day about 4 days ago and i can already see and feel the difference. hardening up and i dont feel like i ever need to leave the gym.

**phat_matt85** · 02-19-2010, 05:16 PM

did u guys get ur s4 from AR?

**alphonsocino** · 02-20-2010, 12:09 PM

yes, i did.

**phat_matt85** · 03-01-2010, 10:13 PM

I have finished S4 yesturday, the last week i ran 25 mgs just to make it last longer. My weight is 197lbs , started at 194-195lbs. Im very shocked because i leaned out quite bit ( 2 weeks ago i started taking REACTIVE FAT BURNER so that might of helped me lean out a bit too maybe). Also past 2 weeks have been kind of crazy for me and i totally messed up on my diet (not by eating shitty food, but i just under ate alot and missed meals).
No strengh gains, I didnt feel like my recovery was any better.
No vision problems AT ALL.

Tomorow im getting my blood work done, so we will see what comes up from that.

Would i buy this product agian? The only way i will get it agian is if the price gets dropped and i would run it with my pct after a cycle because it seems like it keeps your weight up.

**toothache** · 03-02-2010, 11:12 AM

So how long did you cycle for?

**bass** · 03-02-2010, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by phat_matt85

I have finished S4 yesturday, the last week i ran 25 mgs just to make it last longer. My weight is 197lbs , started at 194-195lbs. Im very shocked because i leaned out quite bit ( 2 weeks ago i started taking REACTIVE FAT BURNER so that might of helped me lean out a bit too maybe). Also past 2 weeks have been kind of crazy for me and i totally messed up on my diet (not by eating shitty food, but i just under ate alot and missed meals).
No strengh gains, I didnt feel like my recovery was any better.
No vision problems AT ALL.

Tomorow im getting my blood work done, so we will see what comes up from that.

Would i buy this product agian? The only way i will get it agian is if the price gets dropped and i would run it with my pct after a cycle because it seems like it keeps your weight up.

why would run it with your PCT? S4 has shown that is suppressive. not sure if you seen my latest blood work, my test was shot due to poor PCT i did after my S4 cycle. what kind of PCT are you doing for this cycle?

**phat_matt85** · 03-03-2010, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

So how long did you cycle for?

30 days

**phat_matt85** · 03-03-2010, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by bass

why would run it with your PCT? S4 has shown that is suppressive. not sure if you seen my latest blood work, my test was shot due to poor PCT i did after my S4 cycle. what kind of PCT are you doing for this cycle?

No sorry i didnt look at yours, i sure will right after i respond. I didnt plan a pct because i read so many mixed reviews about it plus i didnt run high dose. I will get my blood results today, but i already know that my liver enzymes are little higher then normal, that worries me a little.

**bass** · 03-03-2010, 01:34 PM

Endus ran it at 25 or less, and still was suppressed, it may vary from person to person, but i highly recommend you do PCT, Clomid and Nolva.

**endus** · 03-03-2010, 03:19 PM

I should of waited longer to take the blood test (instead of day after last day) because about week later, I came crashing down - so who know how much I've suppressed. I never had this level of lethargy.

I was taking between 15-20mg for 2nd cycle but I think I was already suffering from 1st cycle - i didn't wait long enough and went into 2nd cycle, which helped a little, then crashed.

I think we were all operating under assumption that S4 doesn't suppress (some did say but we didn't believe or want to believe). At this point, only people that are saying it doesn't suppress are people who didn't get a blood work or people who didn't do S4. I guess level of suppression you may have will depend on length and dose.

**phat_matt85** · 03-06-2010, 04:25 PM

My blood work was good, no liver probs. I didnt get my test level check because my friend did the blood work and to get the test checked it would of cost me a shit ton. I feel like my test level never changed and im about to do a cycle so after that one i will go to my real doc and get everything checked to be on the safe side.

**bass** · 03-06-2010, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by phat_matt85

My blood work was good, no liver probs. I didnt get my test level check because my friend did the blood work and to get the test checked it would of cost me a shit ton. I feel like my test level never changed and im about to do a cycle so after that one i will go to my real doc and get everything checked to be on the safe side.

dude, that’s how i felt too, and in fact my test went up after S4, but 3 months down the line i found out my test was shot, so for your own good, don't do what i did. do PCT ASAP...

**Okinawa_Power** · 03-07-2010, 02:14 AM

You all know i tried it at 50mgs a day and I was losing fat along with making more muscle. This is not the miracle drug that everyone is looking for. I bought it because of the ease of pain in the joints...I didn't buy it for it's strength gains......If you are looking to bridge between cycles I think S4 would be great. Would I buy again and run alone??? Hell no.........Give me some Test, D-Bol, Tren , and EQ........to hell with S4....You can get a 12 week cycle of Test, and D-bol for the amount you pay for one bottle of S4......

**endus** · 03-07-2010, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

You all know i tried it at 50mgs a day and I was losing fat along with making more muscle. This is not the miracle drug that everyone is looking for. I bought it because of the ease of pain in the joints...I didn't buy it for it's strength gains......If you are looking to bridge between cycles I think S4 would be great. Would I buy again and run alone??? Hell no.........Give me some Test, D-Bol, Tren, and EQ........to hell with S4....You can get a 12 week cycle of Test, and D-bol for the amount you pay for one bottle of S4......

Ditto What he said

Hey Oki, how did your PCT go? Hope you kept all your gains!

**Okinawa_Power** · 03-08-2010, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by endus

Ditto What he said

Hey Oki, how did your PCT go? Hope you kept all your gains!

Endus I kept most of my gains. I dropped down about 8lbs!!!! I was trying to lose some fat though!!!!! I am going to bulk again starting today!!!!! I have a contest in July that I need to prep for!!!!!! Thanks for asking!