my blood test, very disappointed!

[bass]

Guys i just did a blood test for free and total testosterone because for the first time in my life i felt i had no sex drive, or at least not as much as i always had. well as suspected here is my blood test, totally fvcked up. do you think i can get my doctor to put me on HRT?

Now the only thing I’ve done is S4, but my blood test after that showed my total test went up slightly, them about a 4-6 weeks ago I did Albuterol for 2 weeks at a high does (stupid of me I misunderstood the dose) but then stopped immediately and did nothing after that, that’s when I really felt things changing for me, could the Albuterol messed up my test?

[bass]

guys, i been doing some research and found this article, not sure how reliable it is. i eat 8 table spoons a day flax seeds, could this really be the problem?

http://www.soulcysters.net/flaxseed-...ession-237169/

[endus]

You went down about 100 point?

I've just read about your albutrol - you were taking more than 2x max dosage or 4x regular dosage. No wonder your heart was racing - I didn't understand when you told me that.

As far as I know, Albutrol doesn't suppress but I did read that it has anabolic activities over a longer period, so who knows.

Make sure you get your blood pressure checked as Albutrol will have more effect on that. The S4 also elevate blood pressure - thats been my case.

I don't know if Albutrol have any effect on the liver also - when I was taking it, I was taking liv.52 and cycle support, in addition to joint/vit. You may want to get that checked.

You were also sick as I remember - is that over?

I'm sure others could chime in but I would start PCT. There's a possibility that you've never recovered from your original S4 cycle? You said you did 2 week - I'm not sure if that is enough. Maybe it got bumped (per your last blood work) then dropped off after that? Just throwing ideas around. Too early for HRT - get your vitals checked (more blood work - it will be worth it) and if all those check out - start PCT to kick start it back up.

One more thing - are you also lethargic or is it just sex drive?

[bass]

yes i am still recovering from chest congestion, and yes i feel week and have to force myself to do something. i did blood work a couple of weeks ago requested by my doctor and he said everything was fine, also i did my last blood test 3 days after i came off antibiotics. i think i really screwed up the PCT after the S4 cycle, so are you saying i can still do PCT? i still have Nolva and Clomid.

also, my blood pressure has been low at all times, i check it 3-4 times a week and it always reads 113/73 or so. I also noticed weakness especially when i do chest workout, but my chest has grown about 30% since i was done with S4. its puzzling!

[bass]

You know I just got my nolva and clomid bottles out, I fvcking misread the measurements, I was taking ¼ of what was recommended. What do I do from here? I need help…

[Necrosaro]

What was your exact dosing on the nolva and clomid?

[bass]

clomid=6mgs
nolva=5mgs

was recommended to run it at 25mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva

[endus]

Do you know what your original baseline was (before last blood work)?

May as not have taken anything last time. I would start with Nolva at 20-30mg. I know people do more for AAS (40-50mg) but I'm doing 20mg, like PH level and is working out fine.

Not sure if you need the Clomid though but I've never taken that - just nolva.

[bass]

my base lien was at 395 and free was 10.1, and after S4 my total was 423

[bass]

BTW, how long should i run it?

[endus]

Typical PH dosage is 20/20/10/10 ED. Some go another 2 weeks if suppression is more noticeable (20/20/20/10/10/10).

I typically feel lethargic until 2nd week, then it sort of magically disappear. I'm at that point right now and beginning to feel much better and are more motivated. Last week was a bitch. And I get leaned on Nolva - go figure.

[bass]

okay, thanks Endus. just so i understand the formula, 20/20/10/10 means two weeks at 20mgs and two weeks at 10mgs, correct? probably a stupid question but i want to make sure not to make the same mistakes by assuming.

[bass]

BTW, whats the harm in doing clomid at the same time?

[Necrosaro]

I usually run clomid at 100mgs the first week and 50 for the next 2 weeks there afterwards after a cycle and plan on doing the same for this sarms cycle. I find clomid gets me back on track faster then nolva.

[endus]

Yep - that dosage every day for 4 weeks.

Not sure, just nolva worked well for me, so I don't both with the other. We probably shouldn't take any of these drug (isn't this for women's breast cancer?), but I guess its okay for short run.

[bass]

it was recommended to me, also its allover this board, many guys do both at the same time. thanks again bud...

[bass]

okay guys, i noticed my balls have shrunk a little, and now i am worried. here is what i am doing with PCT,

Clomid,
50/50/20/20

Nolva,
20/20/10/10

do you think i will go back to normal, and when will I see any improvements? i am really depressed about this, I can’t believe S4 shut me down like this! This Fvcking myth about not needing PCT after S4 is bunch of bvllshit…

[endus]

So can we now call you small-****

I agree about the S4 and PCT. It just piss me off to no end. I wanted to do a cycle in March and now i have to wait - for PCT and rest period. So now it will be May at the earliest. The whole reason why I've decided to take S4 is because it was touted as non suppressive compound - both vendors and users.

And those users that said it didn't suppress - none of of them did any blood work. Again, bro-science wins

[bass]

Thanks, what about me going back to normal doing this PCT, is there a chance? also should i do a blood test within couple of weeks to see where I am at? LOL, no please don’t call me small, I still have a dick size of a horse, it just doesn’t look right with shrunken balls. LOL...

[endus]

Thanks, what about me going back to normal doing this PCT, is there a chance? also should i do a blood test within couple of weeks to see where I am at? LOL, no please don’t call me small, I still have a dick size of a horse, it just doesn’t look right with shrunken balls. LOL...

Everything I've read says its temporary and will come back - so I wouldn't worry about it. I would worry if it didn't come back after 3 months after pct.

There you go again with your active imagination - tiny

[bass]

haha. thanks buddy...perhaps when my balls go back to normal size I’ll take a photo and post it as my avatar. LOL...

[endus]

Other than Tiny - anyone wants S4 (I got 1 bottle mixed and 1 bottle worth of powder- little more than 1 bottle worth), I'll trade you for a cycle assist or pct assist or something similar. Or if Adam wants it - you could have it.

This is not for sale (Don't know if this is against the rule, if it is, you could delete this post) I want to trade legal S4 with legal cycle assist supplement.

[adam15425]

Other than Tiny - anyone wants S4 (I got 1 bottle mixed and 1 bottle worth of powder- little more than 1 bottle worth), I'll trade you for a cycle assist or pct assist or something similar. Or if Adam wants it - you could have it.

This is not for sale (Don't know if this is against the rule, if it is, you could delete this post) I want to trade legal S4 with legal cycle assist supplement.

I'll pass on it, thanks though! Let me know how you like the supps I gave you when you run them

[endus]

I'll pass on it, thanks though! Let me know how you like the supps I gave you when you run them

Will do! S4 screw me with my plan - now I have to wait for couple of months. You know what they say - if its too good to be true...

Let us know about your competition - You'll win!

[Musa]

i just did my shit 237 at 29 year old.....****ED UP..........

[bass]

i just did my shit 237 at 29 year old.....****ED UP..........

Van you please clarify and give up[ more details of what went wrong?

[elpropiotorvic]

Bass what are ur prolactin levels now ?

Might want to ask about hcg (to experienced users... I'm not)

[Musa]

Van you please clarify and give up[ more details of what went wrong?

TEST LEVELS low...need help


yeah and the nurse told me ...ohhhh dont worry your free test is good , so you dont have to worry about total test............yeahhhhhh righhhttt

[adam15425]

TEST LEVELS low...need help


yeah and the nurse told me ...ohhhh dont worry your free test is good , so you dont have to worry about total test............yeahhhhhh righhhttt

Wait, so did you run s-4?

[Musa]

Guys i just did a blood test for free and total testosterone because for the first time in my life i felt i had no sex drive, or at least not as much as i always had. well as suspected here is my blood test, totally fvcked up. do you think i can get my doctor to put me on HRT?

Now the only thing I’ve done is S4, but my blood test after that showed my total test went up slightly, them about a 4-6 weeks ago I did Albuterol for 2 weeks at a high does (stupid of me I misunderstood the dose) but then stopped immediately and did nothing after that, that’s when I really felt things changing for me, could the Albuterol messed up my test?

what was your free test % percent??? my is 2.3

[adam15425]

[COLOR=black]
Now the only thing I’ve done is S4, but my blood test after that showed my total test went up slightly, them about a 4-6 weeks ago I did Albuterol for 2 weeks at a high does (stupid of me I misunderstood the dose) but then stopped immediately and did nothing after that, that’s when I really felt things changing for me, could the Albuterol messed up my test?

It could possibility be the high dose of Albuterol could have caused a good bit of adrenal fatigue since it turns your CNS into overdrive, resulting in higher cortisol and DHEA. A change in these would elicit a change in all hormones across the board wouldnt it? Maybe the Albuterol was the culprit here? How much were you running?Have you done a Cortisol test?

[bass]

Elpropiotorvic, no i haven’t done that test.

Musa, mine is posted above, my total was at 223 and free was at 5.1, where before it was 375 total and 10.1 free.

Adam, first week at 12mgs per day, and second week 18mgs per day.

[adam15425]

Adam, first week at 12mgs per day, and second week 18mgs per day.

I mean thats not a highly insane dose. Most start out at 8-12mg/day. I've seen upwards of 30mg/day. But adrenal fatigue could be an issue here?

[bass]

thanks for that Adam. i haven't got an answer on one of my questions, would it be beneficial to do blood test two weeks from now just to see if there is any progress? of course that would be in the middle of my PCT cycle.

[adam15425]

thanks for that Adam. i haven't got an answer on one of my questions, would it be beneficial to do blood test two weeks from now just to see if there is any progress? of course that would be in the middle of my PCT cycle.

I would wait until after pct

[bass]

thanks...

[endus]

thanks for that Adam. i haven't got an answer on one of my questions, would it be beneficial to do blood test two weeks from now just to see if there is any progress? of course that would be in the middle of my PCT cycle.

Probably answer your own curiosity - mid pct would be good. If you are using the lab (link) I've sent while back, its only $89 bucks for total/free count.

If you need cortisol control, I think 11oxo was made for that.

[endus]

It could possibility be the high dose of Albuterol could have caused a good bit of adrenal fatigue since it turns your CNS into overdrive, resulting in higher cortisol and DHEA. A change in these would elicit a change in all hormones across the board wouldnt it? Maybe the Albuterol was the culprit here? How much were you running?Have you done a Cortisol test?

This could be a high possibility - good catch. Other than cortisol, what would you have to do? - would PCT even apply in this situation?

Instead of another free/total count test, maybe Bass should go get this cortisol checked.

[adam15425]

This could be a high possibility - good catch. Other than cortisol, what would you have to do? - would PCT even apply in this situation?

Instead of another free/total count test, maybe Bass should go get this cortisol checked.

I would do cortisol now and wait on the free and total test until after pct. I just dont understand how his total test was higher after the s4 and then dropped almost 50% weeks later. I suspect the albuterol had some play in this although he said he did the albuterol 6 weeks ago. Looking at cortisol would be my first choice but I'm kind of stumped here. Also, I would drop the flax seed, some studies show it does in fact decrease testosterone . Might as well take that guess factor out ya know. At this point to get the best assessment would be to do a complete blood panel, pretty much test for everything hormonal related

[bass]

Probably answer your own curiosity - mid pct would be good. If you are using the lab (link) I've sent while back, its only $89 bucks for total/free count.

If you need cortisol control, I think 11oxo was made for that.

yes that’s who i used, i been feeling better already, not sure if its the effects of the PCT or placebo, also glad to report that my "Tinys" are coming back it seems, the right side is back to normal size and the left side almost but not there yet. sex drive still lower than normal.

BTW, what sides am I to expect from the PCT?