Nolva and Letro Advice for Gyno

**haneyjustin830** · 09-01-2013, 09:44 AM

Let me give you information about myself and my cycle I can currently on.

I am 25 years old, have been in the gym awhile, done a couple relatively small cycles of deca and test, I weigh 223lbs, 6'2'', 9% BF give or take 1% at any given time, and am currently on week six of a ten week cycle.

I am doing 500mg Test E and 400mg of Deca. I have Nolva as my PCT. I have done cycles of Deca and Test before about the same dose as this one I am on now and I have never had any problems, made plenty of gains, and had a positive overall experience without a single noticeable side effect such as acne, mood changes, fatigue, etc.

The problem came about at the start of this cycle. I started noticing puffy nipples that were sensitive and I had a tiny lump about the size of a skittle. I got on these forums and a few members told me they should be a little puffy while I am on it and it should go away. I was wary of this advice but since the next two or three weeks it did not get worse I just assumed they were right.

Well I am not sure when it actually happened but last night I felt my nipples randomly to check up on them, which I do every few days, and the lump had doubled in size. I just did my 6th shot Saturday.

I have a very limited knowledge of gyno and all of the chemistry based discussions on here seem very confusing so what I would like to do is for you guys to tell me the best route to take from here on out. Please try to be specific with dosage and such.

I have ordered letro and it should be here in a few days. I know I shouldve had it on hand but I was complacent since my other cycles went so well. I was considering dropping the deca completely and taking 20mg of nolva a day until the letro gets here then just do straight letro until I see improvement and then do it a little bit longer just to be safe. I would then use the rest of the nolva after the letro. By this time it would be near the end of my cycle and it would spill over for a month as my pct.

SHould I do that? If so, what doesages should I use for nolva? Start at 40mg after the letro and taper off to 20? I have 20mg tablets of nolva. My letro I know might hinder my gains if I take too much and the most I have heard of people doing is 2.5mg a day. I want to be aggressive with this gyno so I would like to pyramid up to 2.5 and I hear pyramiding down is the best bet too. I would rather sacrifice gains than to be walking around with man boobs.

I am sorry this is a lot to read but I wanted to give you guys as much information as possible. Hope you can help, thanks.

**austinite** · 09-01-2013, 09:51 AM

Welcome haney,

Are you sure it was this forum where you conversed with members who advised you? Because this post above is your first.

There's no reason to drop deca . You can run nolvadex alongside deca. Letro is a poor choice for gynecomastia reversal. Please read the threads below, they will give you details and show you why Raloxifene is the superior compound for gynecomastia reversal, and nolvadex would be second in order of effectiveness. Either one will work. 2.5 mg of Letro daily is outrageous, brother.

Dosages and protocols are listed at the end of each article...

Stop Using Aromatase Inhibitors to Reverse gynecomastia! SERM's Only!

No More Letro for Gyno!

Best of luck to you.

**haneyjustin830** · 09-01-2013, 12:36 PM

I appreciate your response. It was on these forums, but it has been so long ago I could not remember the login info or email I used so I had to create this new one.

So I have the letro already, would you recommend I just get rid of it? I got the SERMs are better than AIs thing now and I will take your advice on it. But what I am wondering is that since I already have the letro should I just try it for a few weeks at a much lower dose and if it doesn't work then resort to ralox? Money isn't an issue but at the same time I just hate wasting the letro if I thought it still might help a little, even if its nowhere near as good as ralox. What would you recommend?

I just started the nolva as soon as I noticed the symptoms and I will continue using it as per your advice. But I have also read a few threads, cant remember where, talking about how deca +nolva is a bad combo. Can you shed some light on this for me please?

**austinite** · 09-01-2013, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by haneyjustin830

I appreciate your response. It was on these forums, but it has been so long ago I could not remember the login info or email I used so I had to create this new one.

So I have the letro already, would you recommend I just get rid of it? I got the SERMs are better than AIs thing now and I will take your advice on it. But what I am wondering is that since I already have the letro should I just try it for a few weeks at a much lower dose and if it doesn't work then resort to ralox? Money isn't an issue but at the same time I just hate wasting the letro if I thought it still might help a little, even if its nowhere near as good as ralox. What would you recommend?

I just started the nolva as soon as I noticed the symptoms and I will continue using it as per your advice. But I have also read a few threads, cant remember where, talking about how deca+nolva is a bad combo. Can you shed some light on this for me please?

lol. Read the two sentences I put in bold and tell me if that is not mind boggling. I honestly don't know what to say... Not discussing Letro as an option, sorry. I'm not going to take part in abusing your body severly.

As far as Nolvadex with deca ... Nolva is a mixed estrogen receptor agonist/antagonist. Some tissue (not all), upregulation of progesterone receptor can happen; for example in the mucous membrane because it's estro-sensitive. But our concern is the breast, obviously. And Nolva blocks the estrogen receptor. Progesterone receptor is then synthesized. So... Blocked estrogen receptor = down regulated progesterone receptor.

**haneyjustin830** · 09-01-2013, 01:12 PM

Okay I understand the point you are trying to make with the nolva and deca . I checked out some of your other posts and have a much better understanding of letro now. The only question I have left is concerning the length of Raloxifene.

In another post you said start off with 60mg daily and I should see results in 4-6 weeks. Lets say I don't and I do as instructed and bump it up to 80mg for three weeks and still nothing, then 100mg for three weeks and still nothing. That totals roughly three months. I am assuming if I dont see anythingon the 12th weeks having been at 100mg for three weeks. How much longer should I continue before giving up on Ralox's ability to help? I am not assuming it wont help, I would just like to know just in case.

So how long on Ralox is too long? Are there any other side effects I should worry about from being on Ralox for that long if that happens?

**austinite** · 09-01-2013, 02:36 PM

Have "others" provide studies and blood work like I did. I guarantee they didn't. Many factors. People like to blame everything for their depression, isolation, fatigue, etc... but Letro, because it's touted by others and they don't want to be "that guy". Some folks could very well be fine. That doesnt make it the right option for the majority. You also have bunk gear out there. Also, breast tissue is not reversed enough with letro, leaving you even more susceptible to more episodes in the future. Lastly, it's no secret. Some people are compulsive liars. That's why they never provide data. I can recall off the top of my head about 3 cases where Letro was used "successfully" and 6 months later they announce surgery. There are MANY things that "cling on" what seems forever, and are eventually proven wrong.

Yesterday, (on another forum) there was a gentlemen who claimed he used 400mg of Masteron and 25mg of Exemestane for 4 weeks and reversed gynecomastia . The thread had about 30 replies. Can you guess what they all said? "Wow, cool, I'll have to remember that and try it if I get gyno". What a joke. Most people are clueless. Many times I've mentioned this protocol (as you can see in that thread I linked you) and people would say... OHHH!!! That's why I was in the gutter!!

AI's have been studied by leading physicians. Collectively, they recommend you NOT use an AI, and to use a SERM rather. It's not like they're ignoring letro.

Go with whichever method you want. I've done my part to help you make a more informed decision.

Good luck man.

**haneyjustin830** · 09-01-2013, 02:42 PM

Thanks for all of the advice, I understand what you are talking about with the people preaching letro with no backing. That is why I was asking you why you supported Ralox so much. But if you would do me a favor and reread my last post, I edited it just after you replied not realizing it. You've sold me on Ralox. I should be good on questions after that.

**austinite** · 09-01-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by haneyjustin830

Thanks for all of the advice, I understand what you are talking about with the people preaching letro with no backing. That is why I was asking you why you supported Ralox so much. But if you would do me a favor and reread my last post, I edited it just after you replied not realizing it. You've sold me on Ralox. I should be good on questions after that.

Depends on the severity and how old the lump is. Me, and everything I've spoken to see good results in about 4 weeks. most, reverse it in 8 weeks or so. Some cases, another 6 to 8 weeks. 1 bottle from ar-r will last 2 months.

Keep us posted on your progress and let me know if you have more questions.

**haneyjustin830** · 09-01-2013, 03:01 PM

Okay I am going to do the Ralox and after a few weeks I will be back here. I don't have any basis for comparison but I believe the lump has been here a few weeks but was not big. It recently started to grow and I would say it is flat shaped like a pancake but about a a hair smaller than a quarter in diameter. It couldnt have been here too long because I check every couple of days and either didnt check very well or it came out of nowhere.