Spawn/Clen 2 week on 2 week off log

[bigslick7878]

So I am going to try this out after a LOT of reading to see how it works. Goal will be to gain LBM and shed fat. Not trying to bulk, not going to shovel food into my mouth every second really trying to lean out while maintaining/ gaining a little bit of muscle. Call it recomp if you will.

I was thinking last night, if I am going to be doing 2 weeks off, clen would be perfect for that time off to cut up a little bit and for it's muscle retention benefits. Should work out nicely.

Basic structure...

"On" period

-3 days on 1 day off during the "on" period. 55-60 min workout.
-Calories +500 above maintenance.
-45 minutes 55% max heart rate cardio 5 days a week on stationary bike before 1st meal every morning.

-114mg Spawn (3 caps) every day in 3 separate doses
-Liv 52
-Grape seed extract
-Taurine
-Cycle Support
-All staples (BCAA, multi,3-6-9, aminos etc)

"Off" period

Every other day workout during the "off" period. 40-45 min workout.
Maintenance calories (about 340prot mod carb and fat)
60 minutes cardio 55% max heart rate cardio 5 days a week on stationary bike before 1st meal every morning.

-Clomid 70mg week 1 / 40mg week 2.
-Clen (probably something like 20mcg to start ending in 100 at the end of the 2 weeks). Never used it before so this might take a little tinkering with.
-Kre Alkylyn Creatine 3 grams added
-All staples in slightly higher dose

Will be lifting heavy in the 6-8 rep range with very little time in between sets (every minute). 4 day split back/Shoulders/Chest/Legs with biceps/triceps rotated throughout hitting them every 4 days or so.( when I am doing every other day it will be more like 6-7 days in between for the small muscles, and 7 for the large ones).

Starting stats.....

(All flat not pumped up)

5'10
199lbs morning, 201 at night.
Guessing 14-15% BF
Arms 15 1/4
Quad 24
Stomach 35
Calves 15

The main number I will be looking at is the stomach, trying to get that lower rung of abs at least a little more visible and get that number down to 34 or less. I have already taken it from 37 to 35 over the last 4 months at the exact same weight for both measurements so I have made a lot of progress already.

Still work to be done though, have that little pouch right under my tatoo and tiny bit of fat on the sides I would like to get rid of. I have plenty of muscle for my frame that is not really a concern. Also some annoying pec fat that needs to go as you can see in the pics if you look closely.

Now my schedule is a bit of a mystery after Sept 1. I basically have the next 2 weeks off, but then then there is a high likelihood I will be doing job that requires 5 miles of cardio a day and a heavy toll on the legs. If that happens I will cut the leg workouts and try to maintain the upper body.

Will post pics when I get around to it.

Will try to update this thread as much as possible.

Shoulders biceps today and I will be starting "on" period tomorrow.

[bcaasdirty]

looks good!

def will be watching this thread

L-Carnitine preworkout can help your body transport fat to be burned for fuel if your looking for a lil more fatburning aspect as well!

[bigslick7878]

looks good!

def will be watching this thread

L-Carnitine preworkout can help your body transport fat to be burned for fuel if your looking for a lil more fatburning aspect as well!

About to hit it in 30 min, doing shoulder/bicep so I will try to get some before pics up tonight. Have some flat from this morning but none pumped I will post both. (actually might be tomorrow my phone takes forever to upload pics onto flickr)

Might pick up some of the carnitine next time I order some supps thx.

Got a feeling this is going to turn out well, only time will tell. I am pumped.

[digismash]

does Spawn work well??

[bigslick7878]

does Spawn work well??

I have used a lot of PH not Spawn, but it is universally accepted that it is one of if not the strongest PH on the market.

Most people report huge gains.

[...aydn...]

good gains from spawn. its x tren, with epistane. dont know about this 2 week on business though as it really only starts hitting around day 14.

[bigslick7878]

Here are some pics, lighting is terrible but I can't find anywhere in my basement that is any better.

[...aydn...]

more natural potential to be explored. not trying to be negative.

[bigslick7878]

more natural potential to be explored. not trying to be negative.

Been there done that.

My genetics suck.

[bigslick7878]

OK it has been a good 3 days in the gym, day off tomorrow. Today during the workout I was feeling strong, and wouldn't you know a tell tale sign of the PH in my system came up. I am sitting here typing with a nice little back pump! Very good sign and proof this stuff acts fast. Ordered ARR clen today should be here in plenty of time.

First off let me give you a recent history of my weight, been trying to cut over the past month and doing a lot of cardio with a maintenance calorie diet pretty much. This will give you an idea of how I have been trending down ever so slowly.

AM/PM

205.5 /207.0 (7/19/10)
203.5/204.5
203.0 /204.5
203.0/204.5
203.0 /204.5
200.5 /202.5
201.5/205.5
202.0 /202.0
200.5 /202.0
201.0 /202.5
201.0 /202.5
200.0 /201.0
199.5 /203.0

199.5/204.0 (8/1/10)
201.5 /204.0
201.0 /204.0
201.5/204.5
200.5 /203.5
202.0 /202.0
200.5 /202.0
201.0 /202.5
201.0 /202.5
201.5 /203.0
201.0 /201.0
199.0 /202.0
199.0 /201.0
199.5 /201.0
199.0 /202.0
200.0 /200.5
199.0 /201.0
199.0 /201.0 (Started cycle)
198.5 /199.5
198.0 /202.5
201.0/ (8/21/10)

Now I am changing nothing with my diet, so you would assume that any weight gain is going to be LBM especially with the amount of cardio I am doing now. I just stepped on the scale tonight and 3 days in I was at a weight I have not been at in 10 days. I also gained 4.5lbs from the morning, when I usually put on 2-3 at the most. Add that to the fact I am sitting here with a stiff back and I think we can tell what is going on here. Again I am doing everything I can to lean out, not your typical eat everything in sight bulk PH cycle. Any weight put on is almost guaranteed to be good clean weight.

Here is a breakdown of what I have done past 3 days...


Day 1 - Shoulders/Biceps 54 min - 50 min morning cardio

Day 2 - Legs 40 min. - 60 min. morning cardio/15 min PWO cardio

Day 3 - Back/Triceps 52 min - 60 min morning cardio

Tomorrow....

Day 4 - OFF - 60 min morning cardio

I will be able to get 3 workouts per body part in 2 weeks on the schedule I am on, of course logging what I lift to see the changes. I would be able to tell right now if I was better this week, but I changed from 2 minutes in between sets to a more high intensity 1 min break. So I really don't have any baseline numbers for these workouts. My next workout on Sunday is Chest/Biceps and that is the first time I will have done the new workout a 2nd time, so I can get a good indication of any strength increase then lifting under the same conditions.

[bigslick7878]

So this morning my weight is again way up at a number I have not seen in 10 days and despite me coming off of 3 straight days of cardio and a workout every day.

Usually after a 3 day stretch like that my weight is usually on the low side. I am going to take the dog for a nice long walk in a little bit to get a little more easy cardio in on my off day. (did a 2.5 mile walk)

[bigslick7878]

Day 5 - Chest/Biceps - 58min / 60 min morning cardio - 201.5lb am/204.5lb pm

All chest lifts were up slightly from last time, and I went up 5lbs on the dumbbells on my hammer curls and did the same volume with no problem. Felt MUCH stronger especially when I was doing the arms at the end.

And holy shit, I am up 5 lbs in 3 days. I haven't seen anywhere near 205lb in about 3 weeks! And I have been making a point to only eat 5 meals instead of 6 every day, so it's not like I am eating any more I am actually eating less.....plus every morning I am doing cardio 5 days in a row and counting.

I will be dumbfounded if I keep this workout/cardio pace up and keep putting on weight.

No sides to speak of, downstairs is fine nipples a little sensitive but that is normal. Had some trouble sleeping the past couple nights but that could be a coincidence, I always have trouble sleeping through the night.

[TRT2010]

Your more at around 20-25% body fat and u can tell ur really holding in that stomach. All in all i think that you will do good as long as cardio is being done. Youll prob drop a good %

[bigslick7878]

Your more at around 20-25% body fat and u can tell ur really holding in that stomach. All in all i think that you will do good as long as cardio is being done. Youll prob drop a good %

Doubt it.

22.5%,22%,20% 20%

[bigslick7878]

I just added up my macros and it is around...

2600 cal
290 Protein
125 carb
60 fat

Maintenance is right around 3000 for my activity level.

[bcaasdirty]

I just added up my macros and it is around...

2600 cal
290 Protein
125 carb
60 fat

Maintenance is right around 3000 for my activity level.

#s dont seem to be matching up?

290pro x 4cal/g = 1160cal
125carb x 4cal/g = 500cal
60fat x 10cal/g = 600cal
total 2260

A person your size would lose a lot of weight w/ that level of calorie intake...but A TON of it would be muscle >< (speaks from experience )

dbl check your totals and add if need be

other than that...shits lookn good...keep it up!

[bigslick7878]

#s dont seem to be matching up?

290pro x 4cal/g = 1160cal
125carb x 4cal/g = 500cal
60fat x 10cal/g = 600cal
total 2260

A person your size would lose a lot of weight w/ that level of calorie intake...but A TON of it would be muscle >< (speaks from experience )

dbl check your totals and add if need be

other than that...shits lookn good...keep it up!

Really appreciate all the feedback, and luckily for both of us I have the exact calorie breakdown for every meal handy.

Now I used to eat 6 times a day, but with a little manipulation I have cut it down to 5. And honestly at this point I am trying to eat as little as possible. But really when you break it all down I don't know how much less I can eat, it is tough every time I get within a hour/1/2 hour before the next meal the stomach is getting restless.

I am trying to walk that fine line and know that while I want to lose fat, I don't want a lot of muscle to go with it.

Anyway here is the 6 meals I choose from every day, eating 5 of the 6. Lately I have not been eating the steak meal, as it is higher in calories than the chicken. I usually eat one of those two off and on.

When I say "shake" it is 12 oz, protein powder with a 60/40 split between water and skim milk. It is about 1.5 scoops @ 34g in each one.

4 meals I eat every day, without a doubt.....

1 shake 1 banana -----375cal/42pro/38carb/4fat

Shake/Turkey/Cheese sandwich on whole wheat -629cal/59g pro/34.5carb/22.5g fat

Shake/2 whole eggs, mixed w/ little bit of bac/saus/cheese -570cal/62g pro 10g carb/22.5g fat

1 shake 1 banana---375cal/42pro/38carb/4fat


So right there we have 1949cal/205pro/120.5carb/53fat guaranteed, every day.


2 meals I choose from for the other meal.......

Shake/8 oz lean cut steak/ 1.5 serv.green veg.---800 cal/99g pro/37.5g carb/21.5g fat

Shake/8oz chicken breast/ 1.5 serv. green veg.---550cal/86g pro/21g carb/8g fat

As far as any other stuff, I eat a handful of grapes every day too so add about a serving of them to the mix. Other than that I really don't eat anything else. And I am well aware of the complex carb situation, I am working on it.


So basically I am between 2600-2900 calories a day.

Now here is what my TDEE range is.....

2439 Sedentary (Little or no exercise, desk job)
2795 Lightly Active (Light exercise/sport 1-3 days/wk)
3151 Mod. Active (Moderate exercise/sport 3-5 days/wk
3506 Very Active (Hard exercise/sport 6-7 days/wk)
3862 Extr. Active (Hard daily exercise/sports & physical job or

Now with the schedule I am on right now, maybe you can help me out here but I would think my activity level is in one of the higher levels right now. I mean 3 days on (60 min workout regardless) 1 day off with 60 min of cardio every single day?? Oh yeah one other thing if this matters, on the morning cardio depending on the intensity level I am burning in between 220-270 calories according to the machine. It varies depending on how sore my legs are.

That would put me at a big deficit, and you would THINK I would be dropping weight like it is going out of style. The month before I started this I was losing about 1.5lbs a week but the activity level was not quite as high as it is now, but close. Also I was eating 6x a day so my calories were up about 600 a day compared to what they are now.

I was talking to a friend of mine and he was telling me that the only way he could really cut was to go way low on the carbs. He said that if he did not do that he would just be treading water for the most part. Now I am well aware of the effect that has on muscle, (for most) like you are going to lose a lot of it. So I am a little hesitant to try that route right now, I have done it briefly before and don't like some of the things that go along with it like energy levels being shit and not being able to shit every day.

I am at a point right now where I have enough muscle for my frame, but I want to maintain that while losing the fat. Any input go ahead I am all ears. I will even sacrifice a little bit to get this last 5% of fat off me. Can't wait til I go on the clen from what I have read the stuff works wonders.

[bigslick7878]

Day 6 - Shoulders 42min / 20min PWO cardio 202.0lb am/202.5pm

Been trying to do these Arnold presses instead of standard Shoulder presses but with the weight I am doing (45lbers) it is just too hard to get the form right. When you have huge ass dumbbells it is difficult to keep everything in check, gonna go back to the standard way.

Lifts were up a little bit, and muscles are looking a little fuller. I was not expecting to be killing numbers was still sore from the chest workout yesterday and have found in the past that matters as far as the numbers are concerned. Definitely can do more when I am fresh.

Did some outdoor work today that is why the weight did not move much from am to pm.

[bigslick7878]

Day 7 - Back/triceps 60 min / No cardio - 202.0lb am/202.5lb pm

Added an extra set on 4 separate exercises with no problem.

Day off tomorrow but not really, going to take the dog on a nice long hike for a few hours and probably 6-7 miles out in the heat.

Limited carbs today, only 1 banana, 2 slices of bread and 1 serving of greens total.

One other note, I am never going back to my old workout again and the rest I was doing in between the every other minute sets. Doing shorter sets every minute keeps the intensity level sky high, on an entirely different level. I am sweating like a pig by about 10 min in and by the end of the workout I am POURING out sweat like someone dumped a bucket of water on my head. It is unreal. Tonight when I was done I took my shorts off and could literally ring them out it looked like they just came out of the wash machine they were soaked.

[bigslick7878]

Day 8 - OFF - 7.5 mile hike cardio wise. 201.5lb am/202.0lb pm

Got the clen today, how I will be able to squeeze up to the first line on the syringe for 20mcg is beyond me. I guess draw more and then get rid of the extra down to the 1st line would be the easiest way.

[Machdiesel]

Why the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off both drugs you are using show greater results when used for 2 weeks+?? It looks like your trying to get to fancy. I would just do the stamdrrd 4 weeks of spawn then 4 week pct and do clen throughout with keto in the 4th week. Seems this would be much more effefctive

[bigslick7878]

Why the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off both drugs you are using show greater results when used for 2 weeks+?? It looks like your trying to get to fancy. I would just do the stamdrrd 4 weeks of spawn then 4 week pct and do clen throughout with keto in the 4th week. Seems this would be much more effefctive

In my past cycles which all have been logged most of my gains were in the first 2 weeks and then leveled off.

There are a lot of other benefits to doing it this way, if you look at my other thread about short burst cycling some links are in there about it.

[Machdiesel]

In my past cycles which all have been logged most of my gains were in the first 2 weeks and then leveled off.

There are a lot of other benefits to doing it this way, if you look at my other thread about short burst cycling some links are in there about it.

Hmm thats kinda odd most people who take spawn say its in week 3 where the strength gains really start to kick in, I guess everyone is diff. Good luck with your cycle

[bcaasdirty]

keep it up bro

[bigslick7878]

Day 8 - Legs/Biceps 42 min 25min PWO cardio 201.5lb am/202.5lb pm

Did not really push it with the legs, they were still pretty sore from yesterday's little 7.5mile adventure.

Everything is status quo, I told myself I was not going to take any measurements until at least a month but caved and threw the tape around my arm.....up 3/8 of an inch to about 15 5/8th so that is good in only a week. I have never had my arms bigger than 16 and that was on a bulk and I honestly can't remember if it was pumped or flat it was a while ago.

[bigslick7878]

Day 9 - Chest 48 min 60 min morning cardio 201.0lb am/202.5lb pm

Wow what a day.

First off to anyone who says strength or whatever does not "kick in" until week 3 or so, your nuts. I had my 2nd Chest workout today and straight destroyed my numbers from only 5 days ago. Also I will touch on how much rest is important too, that was definitely a factor in the performance tonight. (I think)

So for every workout I have a main exercise that I do every time to test where my strength is at right out of the box.. For Chest it is flat barbell press, for shoulders it is standard shoulder press etc etc. I will take the same weight and reps per set and keep going until I tap out and can't do anymore. Not on anything I am happy with a few rep increase every workout, every 7 days or so.

Now ON....that is an entirely different story as I saw tonight. My last 3 chest workouts were as follows:

8/16 I did 12 sets, that was 4 days before I started this cycle. This was pretty much my baseline number I was working off of to start.

8/22 I did 13 sets, that was only 4 days after I started. One set increase OK that will work. I also had a day off before that workout so I was pretty fresh relatively speaking.

8/27 I did 17 SETS! A 4 set increase and I have never had a strength increase like that especially only 5 days later. I was in straight up beast mode. I just kept going and going and lost count and when I did add it up at the end and I hit 17 sets I was floored.

Now tonight I was coming off 2 days of rest on upper body, last night was a leg day and the day before I was off, but still that is an amazing increase from just 5 days ago. For some reason I was thinking that my last chest day was like the 3rd day of me hitting upper body or something and that could explain the jump, but looking at it now seeing I actually had a day off before the last one that theory does not hold much weight.

Also tonight I knocked out 36 freaking sets in only 46 minutes, just ridiculous. Even before when I was on a cycle the most I would do is like 24-26 and that would push me to about an hour. But that was with every other minute sets, and if you have been following along I switched to every minute sets.

Now I have to follow tonight up and beat the numbers next time, which could be tough. Usually I will gradually step it up even if I could do more every workout to make sure I was increasing a little bit every time. I felt so strong tonight I threw that out the window.

Diet has been on point, I swear if I am taking in 2700 calories a day I would be surprised. Extra clean, only had 2 cheat meals over the last 9 days and even when I did that my daily calorie total was pretty close to what it is on a normal day. Been trying to avoid carbs as much as possible, probably under 100 a day for the past few. I am contemplating taking a huge step in my fight against the fat, eliminating milk altogether and mixing my protein with straight water. I don't know if I can do it though....we will see.

[bigslick7878]

Day 10 - Shoulders/Triceps 60 min 45 min am cardio 201.5lb am/203.5lb pm

Dropped the milk down to 33% of my shakes. Baby steps.....baby steps.

[bigslick7878]

Day 11 - OFF but a ton of cardio 202.5lb am/203.0lb pm

45 min 1.5 mile walk with the dog
45 min am cardio
60 min pm cardio

All cardio is now being done up another level on the machine, burning 350 cal a hour instead of 175. 6 weeks ago I was doing 45 min on level 1 and it was tough, now I have moved up to 60 min on level 2 and can do it with no problem.

If I can conquer level 3 I will be delighted, it feels like you are pedaling up a 45 degree incline on that setting. Maybe by the end of Oct I can work up to that. That shit is hard.

[bigslick7878]

Day 12 - Back/Biceps 56 min 202.0lb am/204.0lb pm

Added an extra rep to all sets, effectively another set when you add it up. Extremely strong right now, only a couple more days and then I hit the clen for 2 weeks. Up a solid 5lbs so far on basically a cutting diet and a shitload of cardio, pretty impressed.

[bigslick7878]

Day 13 - Legs 30 min 60 min am cardio 201.5lb am/203.0pm

Got a pimple today, my first side I guess. It's weird I have not had back pumps, headaches or anything yet until today. Glad tomorrow is my last day for 2 weeks can't have any blemishes like this annoying as hell.

[bigslick7878]

Day 14 - Chest/Triceps 58 min 45 min am cardio 201.5lb am/204.0pm

So that wraps up the first 2 weeks, on to the clen for a couple weeks. Gained about 4 solid pounds overall trying to do everything possible to cut down from diet to everything else. And really that was probably like a 7lb difference because I was losing about 1.5lbs a week prior to starting on the same diet and routine.

Going to shift the workouts to every other day same rotation, on the off days gonna hit the cardio hard. Probably once in the morning and once in the evening.

Goal will be to try to keep my lifts at maybe 90% of what they are right now. I can't expect to be cutting weight and not losing a little strength along the way, especially since it has skyrocketed over the last 2 weeks. Even at 90% it will be way higher than it was just 2 weeks ago, we will see about this "anti catabolic" benefit of the clen I have been hearing about.

This morning was the first day I noticed a slight difference in one of my "problem" fat areas on my pecs. Had a bit less fat there so that was good. I almost had to do a double take because it seemed like that stuff was never going to go away, maybe all that cardio is finally paying off. I look a little leaner through the midsection too, starting to see some more definition on the abs.

Going to take some measurements tomorrow morning to see if there were any changes.

Edit - OK took some measurements....

Stomach - 35 -----> 34 1/4
Bicep - 15 --------> 15 1/2
Quad - 24 ---------> 24 1/4
Calf - 15 -----------> 15

Very happy with the results, especially the stomach number. 3/4 of a inch off in 2 weeks is pretty good considering I am not obese and already pretty thin (relatively speaking) . I actually measured it around 34, but could not believe that was accurate so we will go with 34 1/4 just to be safe. I usually measure later in the day so maybe that made a difference.

At this rate I want to be down to 33 or less pretty soon, that would be amazing.

It is very motivating to see all that sweat doing cardio actually works and it wasn't all for naught.

[bigslick7878]

Day 15 - OFF - 3.5mile walk / 60 min PM cardio 202.0lb am/199.0lb pm

What-the-hell??

How did I drop 5 lbs in one day?? I took 40mcg of the clen yesterday, and 80mcg today because honestly the 40 was very tolerable so I bumped it today. Is that stuff that strong and working that fast?? I want to lose fat obviously but not at that rate, there is muscle going with it losing that much in a day. I had to weigh myself 3 times because I thought I was not fully on the scale.

This situation will need to be monitored closely.......

[bcaasdirty]

Day 15 - OFF - 3.5mile walk / 60 min PM cardio 202.0lb am/199.0lb pm

What-the-hell??

How did I drop 5 lbs in one day?? I took 40mcg of the clen yesterday, and 80mcg today because honestly the 40 was very tolerable so I bumped it today. Is that stuff that strong and working that fast?? I want to lose fat obviously but not at that rate, there is muscle going with it losing that much in a day. I had to weigh myself 3 times because I thought I was not fully on the scale.

This situation will need to be monitored closely.......

did you do something different w/ ur diet that day? water intake?

[bigslick7878]

did you do something different w/ ur diet that day? water intake?

Nope exactly the same. Might have been one of those odd things, today my morning weight was only 2lbs lighter. I was out in the heat yesterday so I might have been a little dry.

I was getting worried there for a second.

[bigslick7878]

Day 16 - OFF - 200.0lb am/202lb pm

Did not do anything, I was sore from my chest workout a couple days before still. I have to remember to dial it back a little bit during the off period, recovery is not quite as swift.


Day 17 - Shoulders/Biceps 55 min - 60 min AM cardio - 199.5lb am/200.5lb pm

Up to 100mcg of clen, very tolerable but definitely notice the shakes when you try to hold your hand still.

[bigslick7878]

All I have to say is clen....WOW.

Just hopped on the scale and I am down to 197.5 this morning (that is 3 lbs in 5 days) Again got worried I don't want to be losing muscle just fat. So I pulled out the tape measure and I am now down to 33 3/4 around my stomach, a drop of roughly 3/8 in only 5 days.

One other thing, I pissed a LOT during the night and this morning before I weighed myself. Is there any diuretic effect when you take this stuff?? Took 2 huge dumps the past 2 days as well, out of the ordinary since I have been limiting my calories.

I took 120mcg today but might have to dial it back, this stuff is legit.

[bigslick7878]

Still going but my internet is messed up and I don't feel like posting from my phone.

[tjax03]

Doubt it.

22.5%,22%,20% 20%

Judging from both sets of pics you look like a more muscled version of the third guy from the left, so 20% is pretty accurate. Don't be unrealistic about your current situation. It only leads to disappointment after you've lost a significant amount of weight yet you just don't look great like everyone else does at "10%" bodyfat. I am not saying this to be mean at all, you just need to know that there is still a significant amount of fat for you to lose before you achieve your goals.

[bigslick7878]

Judging from both sets of pics you look like a more muscled version of the third guy from the left, so 20% is pretty accurate. Don't be unrealistic about your current situation. It only leads to disappointment after you've lost a significant amount of weight yet you just don't look great like everyone else does at "10%" bodyfat. I am not saying this to be mean at all, you just need to know that there is still a significant amount of fat for you to lose before you achieve your goals.

I had it measured at a gym by my friend who is a personal trainer before I started and he had it at about 18%. Those pictures are absolutely terrible and if you saw me in person you would see what I mean.

Good news is when I tool those pictures my stomach was at 35in, and now it is down to 33in 3 weeks later. The clen is getting me shredded. I know I have a ways to go, but I am getting there. I am starting to see rib cage under my arms and my abs are starting to pop all the way down. I hope I can get down to about 31 by the time I am all done with this. I have actually had to back off the cardio because I was dropping too much weight too fast.

[bigslick7878]

Day 18 - OFF 60 min AM cardio 198.0lb am/198.0lbpm

Day 19 - Legs 30 min No cardio 195.0lb am/197.0lb pm

Day 20 - OFF 45 min AM cardio 194.5lb am/197.0lb pm

Day 21 - Back/Triceps No cardio 195.5lb am/197.5lb pm

Been having to back off the cardio the weight is coming off fast on this clen. I am down about 7 lbs in a week, I have a feeling a lot of it is water though because my strength has not really fallen off a lot. I was doing some reading and there is a bit of a diuretic effect from clen, and with my waist shrinking at a ridiculous rate I am guess I am very dry right now along with dropping some fat.

Another thing I noticed is what a massive difference your recovery time is while not on, it is unbelievable how much longer it takes. I could go balls to the wall for 60 minutes and the next day not feel a thing while on, now I go maybe 50 minutes and really feel it the next day. 3 days on 1 day off would be impossible right now.