squats AND deadlifts in the same workout

[alex2399]

last week i made some changes to my training. I decided to put shoulders and legs on the same day.

so today i started by doing 4 sets of squats and after 4 sets of deadlifts after warming up.

right after this i was sitting on a bench breathing like a horse asking myself if its a good idea.

what do you guys think?

[zaggahamma]

horses are very muscular.....

j/k

do what works for you....must have been a reason whey u started doing it that way?

[alex2399]

horses are very muscular.....

j/k

do what works for you....must have been a reason whey u started doing it that way?

i decided to put squat and deadlift on the same workout because my other training days already had enough exercises.

doing squats and deadlifts on the same workout is not that bad, its doing the rest of my workout after this that was rough on my CNS.

[gmantheman]

You can do it but be very careful. I would do something like this:
Squats 4 to 5 sets
Deads 1 set
After 6-8 weeks reverse it.

[Str8Jakked]

Done properly, Squats and Dead's need their own days...

[terraj]

^ depends on his volume and frequency man.

Try it and see how you go. I felt sick just reading those two together lol.

[wmaousley]

For me I do squats on leg day, and dead lifts on back day

[alex2399]

Done properly, Squats and Dead's need their own days...

i think i will add a day to my program just for these 2... especially when i go to failure on each set, its very demanding.

[alex2399]

^ depends on his volume and frequency man.

Try it and see how you go. I felt sick just reading those two together lol.

next week i'm pretty sure i'll feel the same...

[Str8Jakked]

^ depends on his volume and frequency man.

Sure, if you lift like a girl...

Alex, try your Squats on Leg day and your Dead's on Back day.

[alex2399]

Sure, if you lift like a girl...

Alex, try your Squats on Leg day and your Dead's on Back day.

ok, think i'll try this, and do you suggest to begin my workouts with deadlifts of keep them at the end when i'm all warmed up?

[baseline_9]

I actually like putting dead's after squats....

I feel really warmed up after doing deep squats

I feel I can deadlift with better form after doing deep squats because my glutes and hams are already stretched out well.


You get an amazing feeling in your quads when you dead after squats

[MR-FQ320]

When I followed Baseline's Hyper/power training programme I put deads and squats together on Tuesdays, yes its gruelling and I timed at least three minute rests between each set, and I was lifting HEAVY, tough .... yes, gear yes, development hell yeah. finished the session off with calf raises.

[dec11]

You can do it but be very careful.why?
I would do something like this:
Squats 4 to 5 sets
Deads 1 set. why only one?
After 6-8 weeks reverse it. again, why?

bolds

[dec11]

of course you can dead and squat on the same day, its called powerlifting and can be adaptable. alot agree that its best as the lower back then only gets hit once pw. do the squats 1st, then deads. i go with 6 sets and 8reps each, move up in 20kg increments, discounting the 1st set as a warm up and mobility set.

just dont bother going above 8reps on deads, they arent suited to high reps, more of a power/strength/mass builder

i wouldnt bother doing delts with them though, do them on chest day

[dec11]

Sure, if you lift like a girl...

Alex, try your Squats on Leg day and your Dead's on Back day.

you sound very immature, kinda like a Tap Out shirt wearer.

the OP is starting out, dont judge

[dec11]

I actually like putting dead's after squats....

I feel really warmed up after doing deep squats

I feel I can deadlift with better form after doing deep squats because my glutes and hams are already stretched out well.


You get an amazing feeling in your quads when you dead after squats

only way it should be done if going heavy, for safety reasons.

[alex2399]

of course you can dead and squat on the same day, its called powerlifting and can be adaptable. alot agree that its best as the lower back then only gets hit once pw. do the squats 1st, then deads. i go with 6 sets and 8reps each, move up in 20kg increments, discounting the 1st set as a warm up and mobility set.

just dont bother going above 8reps on deads, they arent suited to high reps, more of a power/strength/mass builder

i wouldnt bother doing delts with them though, do them on chest day

and for the squats, 10-12 reps?

[MR-FQ320]

keep the rep range low, aim for 4 sets of five on both deads and squats

[baseline_9]

and for the squats, 10-12 reps?

This could open a great debate... I can see pro's and cons to both high reps and Lower reps...

People preach that legs respond to higher reps (12-15)

Some say that above 8 reps is too taxing on the Cardiovascular system, thus decreasing intensity....


I do prefer to squat and dead heavy but I like to train legs with higher reps.... Any less than 10 on the leg press and I feel it everywhere (joints, back etc...) except my quads!

[dec11]

and for the squats, 10-12 reps?

yeah, you can up the reps according to the results you want.

if im going for strength i go 6 and below for heavy squats, 8+ for size. of course there isnt a black and white line, it overlaps. periodise your training, eg: 6 weeks heavy low reps and 6wks medium higher reps. just a broad example. i never go light or rep high on deads, they just arent suited to it

[alex2399]

This could open a great debate... I can see pro's and cons to both high reps and Lower reps...

People preach that legs respond to higher reps (12-15)

Some say that above 8 reps is too taxing on the Cardiovascular system, thus decreasing intensity....


I do prefer to squat and dead heavy but I like to train legs with higher reps.... Any less than 10 on the leg press and I feel it everywhere (joints, back etc...) except my quads!

that's why my favorite way to train is: squat with a weight that aloes me to do about 15 reps on the 1st set, 2nd 10, 3rd 8...

[Twist]

All I would say is make sure you allow a decent amount of time for your lower back to repair (5days min) before training it again.

[gmantheman]

bolds

I was going by Mark Rippetoe's Texas Method. He states you will not be able to recover if you do more than one hvy set of deads if you are doing hvy squats especially for 4 or 5 sets. I thought it would be a good idea to reverse it and concentrate on deads after 6-8 weeks.
Here is a link to the workout.
http://www.**************/free_onlin...e_texas_method

[dec11]

I was going by Mark Rippetoe's Texas Method. He states you will not be able to recover if you do more than one hvy set of deads if you are doing hvy squats especially for 4 or 5 sets. I thought it would be a good idea to reverse it and concentrate on deads after 6-8 weeks.
Here is a link to the workout.
http://www.**************/free_onlin...e_texas_method

makes no sense whatsoever, i dont even need to look at it mate

[jimmyinkedup]

you sound very immature, kinda like a Tap Out shirt wearer.

*LMAO* or possibly affliction ...
eh same diff
either way i agree with you....

[gmantheman]

makes no sense whatsoever, i dont even need to look at it mate

I actually did the routine for about 6 weeks. I gained about 30Lbs on my bench, 35 on squat and 50lbs on dead.

[dec11]

I actually did the routine for about 6 weeks. I gained about 30Lbs on my bench, 35 on squat and 50lbs on dead.

i was a national competitive plifter for 16yrs and i see no sense in it at all

[gmantheman]

i was a national competitive plifter for 16yrs and i see no sense in it at all

I think only one set of deads was suggested because the routine is basically a full body. The workout goes something like this:
Mon
Squat 5x5
Bench 5x5
incline dumbbell press 3x8
deadlift 1x5
assistant work 3x6-8

Wed
Front Squat or hack squat 2x5 (use weight you can do 10 reps with)
Military press 4x5
Pullups 4xmax (bw)
hyper ext 3x12

Fri
Squats sets of triples and doubles.
Bench same as squat
Barbell row 4x10 or power clean 5x3

[lc1213]

Done properly, Squats and Dead's need their own days...

I agree. After I do my sets of squats, my quads are pretty much spent. In the past i would do squats on monday and deads on thursdays.

[brad1986]

I actually did the routine for about 6 weeks. I gained about 30Lbs on my bench, 35 on squat and 50lbs on dead.

this is very subjective tho alot of things could have played a role.

[brad1986]

i like deads and squats on seperate days Just because i like to stimulate my legs more than once per week.

[gmantheman]

this is very subjective tho alot of things could have played a role.

True. I was on my 6th or 7th week of Testosterone C when I began this workout;nonetheless, it's a good overall strength program.

[gmantheman]

I wouldn't want to squats and deads on the same day if the intensity and or volume if fairly high.

[alex2399]

i like deads and squats on seperate days Just because i like to stimulate my legs more than once per week.

yeah, think i'll try this

[alex2399]

why did the link of texas training disappeared? its a training program...

[alex2399]

All I would say is make sure you allow a decent amount of time for your lower back to repair (5days min) before training it again.

yeah i know, lower back muscles need something like 100 hours to fully recuperate

[alex2399]

I wouldn't want to squats and deads on the same day if the intensity and or volume if fairly high.

it doesn't make me very happy either...

[gmantheman]

why did the link of texas training disappeared? its a training program...

Not sure why the link doesn't work. It is a strength training program developed my Mark Rippetoe. If you google Texas Method, you will find a few variations.