Most still say Biden ‘cheating’ beat Trump

[Beetlegeuse]

Stuck: Most still say Biden ‘cheating’ beat Trump

Voters are not letting go of their belief that the 2020 presidential election was a fraud-filled nightmare.

The latest evidence from Rasmussen Reports:

* By a margin of 51%-44%, voters said it is “likely” that cheating affected the outcome. That included 74% of Republicans and 30% of Democrats.
* Some 47% said it is likely Democrats stole or destroyed ballots for former President Donald Trump. That included 75% of Republicans and 30% of Democrats. An even 50% said that it is unlikely ballots were destroyed...

... The survey also looked at election laws and found that voters want cheating eliminated from the system far more than making it easier to vote. And they demand voter identification.

Rasmussen said: “Asked which is more important, making it easier for everybody to vote, or making sure there is no cheating in elections, 60% of Likely Voters say it’s more important to prevent cheating, while 37% said it’s more important to make it easier to vote.

“Only 22% of voters say it is currently too hard to vote, while 34% said it’s too easy to vote, and 41% say the level of difficulty in voting is about right.”

[DustMan]

Cope

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Members of the Flat Earth Society claim to believe the Earth is flat.

https://www.livescience.com/24310-fl...th-belief.html

People believe all sorts of shit.

[Hughinn]

Stuck: Most still say Biden ‘cheating’ beat Trump

Voters are not letting go of their belief that the 2020 presidential election was a fraud-filled nightmare.

The latest evidence from Rasmussen Reports:

* By a margin of 51%-44%, voters said it is “likely” that cheating affected the outcome. That included 74% of Republicans and 30% of Democrats.
* Some 47% said it is likely Democrats stole or destroyed ballots for former President Donald Trump. That included 75% of Republicans and 30% of Democrats. An even 50% said that it is unlikely ballots were destroyed...

... The survey also looked at election laws and found that voters want cheating eliminated from the system far more than making it easier to vote. And they demand voter identification.

Rasmussen said: “Asked which is more important, making it easier for everybody to vote, or making sure there is no cheating in elections, 60% of Likely Voters say it’s more important to prevent cheating, while 37% said it’s more important to make it easier to vote.

“Only 22% of voters say it is currently too hard to vote, while 34% said it’s too easy to vote, and 41% say the level of difficulty in voting is about right.”

Lol.

Even 30% of democrat voters admit they cheated.

Now that says it all.

[Wannabhuge14]

Members of the Flat Earth Society claim to believe the Earth is flat.

https://www.livescience.com/24310-fl...th-belief.html

People believe all sorts of shit.

Yes they do. But you gotta admit when biden has ten people in lawn chairs at his rallies while trump sells out arenas and has people crowding the outside of those sold out rallies, something doesn't add up. It's fine that you dislike him but as joe burden says, "c,mon man".

[Test Monsterone]

Yes they do. But you gotta admit when biden has ten people in lawn chairs at his rallies while trump sells out arenas and has people crowding the outside of those sold out rallies, something doesn't add up. It's fine that you dislike him but as joe burden says, "c,mon man".

Yes, cultists tend to gather in large venues. Same as sports fans, etc. Trump created a cult following. He held rallies for his followers where he told them what they want to hear. People like me are not impressed by large venues of uneducated credulous followers... or as they call them, "sheep." We are intelligent and free thinking, most of us highly educated, and we act in silence, without big flags to wave and hug, or a big loud truck to make everyone know how important we are. It's a difference in personality, that's why you don't see Biden supporters everywhere.

[Mooseman33]

its fucking over.

make america train again.

[Wannabhuge14]

Yes, cultists tend to gather in large venues. Same as sports fans, etc. Trump created a cult following. He held rallies for his followers where he told them what they want to hear. People like me are not impressed by large venues of uneducated credulous followers... or as they call them, "sheep." We are intelligent and free thinking, most of us highly educated, and we act in silence, without big flags to wave and hug, or a big loud truck to make everyone know how important we are. It's a difference in personality, that's why you don't see Biden supporters everywhere.

At least he did a lot of what he said he was going to do. Burden said he's going to take care of the american people, meanwhile the border is being compromised because he undid every good thing trump had going at the border. Me paying for the benefits of illegals while our people don't even have those benefits is not what I call being put first. I think you can admit that he's not such a good president.

How does following trump.make you uneducated? I dare say there are quite a large amount of uneducated biden supporters. You've got to be pretty stupid to support him to begin with. He hates the country and is selling slabs of it to china by the day. At the very minimum trump loves our country and like him or not that's something we should all be able to stand behind. If you guys are so highly educated if think you'd be able to see how big of a problem this administration is. I get it, we are conservative Christians and that automatically makes us stupid. That's alright man because I'll pray for you regardless.

[wango]

Yes they do. But you gotta admit when biden has ten people in lawn chairs at his rallies while trump sells out arenas and has people crowding the outside of those sold out rallies, something doesn't add up. It's fine that you dislike him but as joe burden says, "c,mon man".

It was considered “irresponsible” by many to have large public gatherings (particularly indoors) due to potentially spreading the virus. Thus the Biden supporters may not have had the large gatherings as you stated. It had less to do with lack of Biden support and more to do with a show of courtesy to the community around them.

[Wannabhuge14]

It was considered “irresponsible” by many to have large public gatherings (particularly indoors) due to potentially spreading the virus. Thus the Biden supporters may not have had the large gatherings as you stated. It had less to do with lack of Biden support and more to do with a show of courtesy to the community around them.

Because most of trump's supporters believe the virus is bogus, me included. You would think that to be obvious to the "free thinkers". Regardless it's all an effort to control us. I'd rather lick a toilet seat covered in covid as than take a vaccine that wastes an injection site for a week. Just my opinion and I know lots on here don't see it that way. That's the beauty of free speech, which is under attack by censorship by big tech and the radical left.

[wango]

Because most of trump's supporters believe the virus is bogus, me included. You would think that to be obvious to the "free thinkers". Regardless it's all an effort to control us. I'd rather lick a toilet seat covered in covid as than take a vaccine that wastes an injection site for a week. Just my opinion and I know lots on here don't see it that way. That's the beauty of free speech, which is under attack by censorship by big tech and the radical left.

I was only speaking for the lack of presence for Biden.

It’s cool if that it’s your opinion, not a problem with me - just wanted to add my angle on what you said. However, not into licking toilet seats, lol.

[Wannabhuge14]

I was only speaking for the lack of presence for Biden.

It’s cool if that it’s your opinion, not a problem with me - just wanted to add my angle on what you said. However, not into licking toilet seats, lol.

Haha touche. I've never licked one but if I was given the choice of a vaccine or licking a toilet seat covered in covid I promise you I'd be making sweet love to that toilet seat with my tongue lmao.

[Hughinn]

Yes, cultists tend to gather in large venues. Same as sports fans, etc. Trump created a cult following. He held rallies for his followers where he told them what they want to hear. People like me are not impressed by large venues of uneducated credulous followers... or as they call them, "sheep." We are intelligent and free thinking, most of us highly educated, and we act in silence, without big flags to wave and hug, or a big loud truck to make everyone know how important we are. It's a difference in personality, that's why you don't see Biden supporters everywhere.

Haha.

Hey test,

I appreciate you taking the time to tell us how smart y'all are, otherwise we wouldn't have ever known.

[anomily88]

Yes, cultists tend to gather in large venues. Same as sports fans, etc. Trump created a cult following. He held rallies for his followers where he told them what they want to hear. People like me are not impressed by large venues of uneducated credulous followers... or as they call them, "sheep." We are intelligent and free thinking, most of us highly educated, and we act in silence, without big flags to wave and hug, or a big loud truck to make everyone know how important we are. It's a difference in personality, that's why you don't see Biden supporters everywhere.

U sound retarded

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[anomily88]

It was considered “irresponsible” by many to have large public gatherings (particularly indoors) due to potentially spreading the virus. Thus the Biden supporters may not have had the large gatherings as you stated. It had less to do with lack of Biden support and more to do with a show of courtesy to the community around them.

But biden supporters will line up to burn down cities .....cmon man

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[The Deadlifting Dog]

U sound retarded

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Curious about your username.

Care to elaborate on its meaning?

[anomily88]

Curious about your username.

Care to elaborate on its meaning?

I wanted anomily cause I am a I.T guy and chose it the 88 was what the app gave me I didnt know it was a reference to crazy white people tell after a few people called me out on it ...been this name for a few years now but just figured out how to change it

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[Hughinn]

I wanted anomily cause I am a I.T guy and chose it the 88 was what the app gave me I didnt know it was a reference to crazy white people tell after a few people called me out on it ...been this name for a few years now but just figured out how to change it

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Why would you explain yourself him?

Tell him thats your username, because that's the fuckin name you wanted.

And leave it there.
Would this same guy ask you why you supported a Marxist? No.

You don't owe any of these pricks an explanation for anything. Regardless of why your username is what it is. (And I don't know why, or even care why you chose it, because it's your business)

These people have to be stood up to, the bully bullshit has to stop. Your name and beliefs are yours, regardless of whether or not he likes them

And I'll tell y'all something else, I don't care about your sniveling here about politics being banned from the news section. If I see something I think is newsworthy, I'll post it. Just because ivy league self proclaimed geniuses and scholors, can't win a debate with a wrench slinging grease monkey on politics, doesn't mean we ain't allowed to discuss them anymore.

DD or anyone else who doesn't like it, pass on it, or block me. I don't care.

Y'all ain't bullying me with your horse hockey to get me to shut up. I'm just that type of mfer that refuses to be bullied, or intimidated. Physically, intellectually, or any other way. It ain't happening

And don't let him do it to you anomily....88 or 55 or whatever you want to call yourself. It's your business. Call yourself whatever you want sir. And don't make any fucking apologies, because we do still technically live in the land of the free

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Why would you explain yourself him?

Tell him thats your username, because that's the fuckin name you wanted.

And leave it there.

You don't owe any of these pricks an explanation for anything. Regardless of why your username is what it is.

These people have to be stood up to, the bully bullshit has to stop. Your name and beliefs are yours, regardless of whether or not he likes them

And I'll tell y'all something else, I don't care about your sniveling here about politics being banned from the news section. If I see something I think is newsworthy, I'll post it. Just because ivy league self proclaimed geniuses and scholors, can't win a debate with a wrench slinging grease monkey on politics, doesn't mean we ain't allowed to discuss them anymore.

DD or anyone else who doesn't like it, pass on it, or block me. I don't care.

Y'all ain't bullying me with your horse hockey to get me to shut up. I'm just that type of mfer that refuses to be bullied, or intimidated. Physically, intellectually, or any other way. It ain't happening

And don't let him do it to you anomily....88 or 55 or whatever you want to call yourself. It's your business. Call yourself whatever you want sir. And don't make any fucking apologies

Duly noted.


Hughinn...

I'll keep this brief.

I am staff. Specifically I am a monitor.
The forum does not tolerate racism.
Me asking him about his name is me doing my job.

[Hughinn]

Duly noted.


Hughinn...

I'll keep this brief.

I am staff. Specifically I am a monitor.
The forum does not tolerate racism.
Me asking him about his name is me doing my job.

No it ain't dog.
The dude can call himself whatever he wants as long as it's not obscene.

You wouldn't ask him why his name was BLManomily or panther anomily if that's what he wanted to call himself. So don't pretend like your feigning at pretence didn't expose your bias.

In this country, at least for now, a man can call himself whatever he wants. And not you, me or anyone else has a right to question him. No matter your pretence.

And if we want to live in a free country, we've got to call it for what it is.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

No it ain't dog.
The dude can call himself whatever he wants as long as it's not obscene.

You wouldn't ask him why his name was BLManomily or panther anomily if that's what he wanted to call himself. So don't pretend like your feigning at pretence didn't expose your bias.

In this country, at least for now, a man can call himself whatever he wants. And not you, me or anyone else has a right to question him. No matter your pretence.

And if we want to live in a free country, we've got to call it for what it is.

Duly noted.

If you think I am overstepping my bounds then feel free to report me to staff.
You can PM them or hit the report post icon or do both.

[Cuz]

It was considered “irresponsible” by many to have large public gatherings (particularly indoors) due to potentially spreading the virus. Thus the Biden supporters may not have had the large gatherings as you stated. It had less to do with lack of Biden support and more to do with a show of courtesy to the community around them.

We couldn’t have Trump rallies(where many wore masks) but the dems let protests and rioters run rampant in the dem controlled cities and never batted an eye. Would you even believe i read an article stating that protests and riots wouldn’t spread covid , the numbers of cases never rose up lol...except when conservatives gathered like say bike week..

If you cant see dems and the liberal news media is extremely one sided then you quite frankly have a thinking problem . And this isn’t directed toward you Wango i know you are an educated man. Maybe not as smart as “test monster” but i mean who is?? He is probably the most educated member here, taught me everything i know about bodybuilding...

[Hughinn]

Duly noted.

If you think I am overstepping my bounds then feel free to report me to staff.
You can PM them or hit the report post icon or do both.

No sir.

I believe you've got a right to you opinions and convictions.
I've known few men as passionate about what they believed than you. And I greatly respect that about you.
As a man, speaking to you as a man, I respect you more than you know.

You're intentions are always what you feel is right. I know that.
But occasionally we all need to be reminded, that we all see things through our own lenses and maybe not as clear as we think.
I'd appreciate you returning me the favor one day.

Cheers to you brother.

Have a great day.

[wango]

We couldn’t have Trump rallies(where many wore masks) but the dems let protests and rioters run rampant in the dem controlled cities and never batted an eye. Would you even believe i read an article stating that protests and riots wouldn’t spread covid , the numbers of cases never rose up lol...except when conservatives gathered like say bike week..

If you cant see dems and the liberal news media is extremely one sided then you quite frankly have a thinking problem . And this isn’t directed toward you Wango i know you are an educated man. Maybe not as smart as “test monster” but i mean who is?? He is probably the most educated member here, taught me everything i know about bodybuilding...

I’m reading about antifa & CHAZ now (written by a republican) and hear what you are saying regarding that and don’t argue that point t all.

The sources that I seek my information and news from are balanced because I use different sources. If I was incorrect about the Biden supporters not having large rally’s then I will stand corrected.

Test is extremely intelligent as are tons of other members here, including yourself. Honestly, I only feel completely comfortable and “smart” on a couple of topics. The rest I’m just debating and learning along the way.

[Wannabhuge14]

I wanted anomily cause I am a I.T guy and chose it the 88 was what the app gave me I didnt know it was a reference to crazy white people tell after a few people called me out on it ...been this name for a few years now but just figured out how to change it

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What the hell, you're highly educated and don't support biden???? I had no clue that existed!!!! Sir, are you by chance religious too? This is groundbreaking.

On a side note I have zero issues with anyone on this board. I think that a few could come off as a little less "uppity" and condescending but most of you guys know a heck.of a lot more about steroids than I do. I will give credit where credit is due

[almostgone]

No it ain't dog.
The dude can call himself whatever he wants as long as it's not obscene.

You wouldn't ask him why his name was BLManomily or panther anomily if that's what he wanted to call himself. So don't pretend like your feigning at pretence didn't expose your bias.

In this country, at least for now, a man can call himself whatever he wants. And not you, me or anyone else has a right to question him. No matter your pretence.

And if we want to live in a free country, we've got to call it for what it is.

Re: In bold above.

Yes it is his job, Hugh. 88 is well known as a moniker used by hate groups.

Deadlifting Dog is very much doing his due diligence by asking the question he posed. This forum doesn't tolerate hate groups, racism (from any ethnicity) and to be honest with you, it's more his business than yours, considering his responsibilities.

He didn't accuse the member of anything, he simply asked him to elaborate on his choice of usernames.

[almostgone]

U sound retarded

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You sound like your manners need improvement. Work on it.

FWIW, an old account with 8 posts gets extra scrutiny.

[almostgone]

Guys, I'm just going to issue another blanket warning.

Cut the bickering. Either discuss issues like adults or just don't speak at all....period.

Y'all may think I was kidding when I said this area of the forum would be closed if attitudes don't change. I'm not kidding, I'm being 100% drop dead serious.

Now dial it back. It's Friday, let's don't start it off poorly.

[DustMan]

Guys, I'm just going to issue another
Y'all may think I was kidding when I said this area of the forum would be closed if attitudes don't change. I'm not kidding, I'm being 100% drop dead serious.

Hope it does honestly, pretty sick of seeing this content.

[almostgone]

Noted. I hope it doesn't, but it isn't promising when people can't communicate like adults.

If you don't like the content in this area, don't read in here. Plenty of other areas of interest.

Hope it does honestly, pretty sick of seeing this content.

[ghettoboyd]

Noted. I hope it doesn't, but it isn't promising when people can't communicate like adults.

If you don't like the content in this area, don't read in here. Plenty of other areas of interest.

Yes and there are plenty of places to visit for that kind of content...this is not the place imho because people’s opinions won’t change...what is the point if only to push there opinion on others...nothing changes but tempers...

[DustMan]

If you don't like the content in this area, don't read in here. Plenty of other areas of interest.

I navigate the forum by "Activity Stream" and "New Posts", the feed is always clogged with this content, it's a huge turn off.

I'm not going to debate about it, I understand it's a contentious topic around here, but the content is propaganda and if you're allowing a red named member to post it ad-nauseum without speaking to them about it then you are supporting the spread of it.

Adults are free to make whatever choices they make, if someone chooses not to browse this forum because harmful content is clogging it, then that's something the administration might consider discussing at some point.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I will add my opinion...

I do think there are events that should be discussed.
I do not necessarily want an entire sub-forum wiped out.
I believe traffic is good for the site.

However...
I think that many of the threads started are meant to instigate arguments... they are not meant to actually start civil debates.
It is often the way things are presented that cause problems.

side note:
I am in no way claiming innocence in any of this. For a while I tried fighting fire with fire and that only caused more problems.

[almostgone]

I navigate the forum by "Activity Stream" and "New Posts", the feed is always clogged with this content, it's a huge turn off.

I'm not going to debate about it, I understand it's a contentious topic around here, but the content is propaganda and if you're allowing a red named member to post it ad-nauseum without speaking to them about it then you are supporting the spread of it.

Adults are free to make whatever choices they make, if someone chooses not to browse this forum because harmful content is clogging it, then that's something the administration might consider discussing at some point.

https://forums.steroid.com/news/6043...ease-read.html

[wango]

Hughinn, I just want to say - that I truly understand the recent points being made that the needless bickering is a pain in the ass to some & could certainly be bad for the forum; but you and I have managed to keep it respectful. More than that, you and I have conceded on certain points and have come to similar conclusions after our exchange. I am proud of that and why I like this sub-forum.

With that said, regarding 88, I actually have it on my license plate (on a German car none the less, lol). But should I tattoo it upon my neck and defend it by saying it’s my wedding anniversary (August 8th actually is)? I know it would offend many & for an obvious reason. I wanted love and hate tattooed on my fingers for more philosophical reasons, but again chose against it and chose something else less than a week from the appointment. I fully agree with the idea of free speech, but feel that other’s that are exposed to it have rights as well & the right to be offended should be respected.

I hope that they keep this sub forum open, but fully agree that it should be shut down. I would like to see the controversial/political stuff stay here though, instead of in the anabolic lounge; that way far more people can easily ignore it.

Peace brother.

[anomily88]

What the hell, you're highly educated and don't support biden???? I had no clue that existed!!!! Sir, are you by chance religious too? This is groundbreaking.

On a side note I have zero issues with anyone on this board. I think that a few could come off as a little less "uppity" and condescending but most of you guys know a heck.of a lot more about steroids than I do. I will give credit where credit is due

Nah bro I voted for Trump support the church and am conservative and believe this election was stolen

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[anomily88]

You sound like your manners need improvement. Work on it.

FWIW, an old account with 8 posts gets extra scrutiny.

I should have alot more then that

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[Hughinn]

Re: In bold above.

Yes it is his job, Hugh. 88 is well known as a moniker used by hate groups.

Deadlifting Dog is very much doing his due diligence by asking the question he posed. This forum doesn't tolerate hate groups, racism (from any ethnicity) and to be honest with you, it's more his business than yours, considering his responsibilities.

He didn't accuse the member of anything, he simply asked him to elaborate on his choice of usernames.

Thank you for your clarification on the subject Sir. And I agree with you that the man's diligence is definitely admirable. I have alot of respect for him, as I do you as well AG.

But, I must respectfully disagree with you both in this instance.

The 88 moniker may be used by certain radical groups, sir, as we're all well aware. Be that as it may, there is nothing racist about any set of numbers on its face. If it accompanied a swastika avatar, or perhaps a portrait of infamous nazi generals or the like, then I could understand the concern about the imagery. Because it would clearly be in violation of forum rules.

But a man's personal beliefs, regardless of what they are, and kept unto himself, cannot be a violation of any rule here, or anywhere else in this supposedly free nation.

And asking that man about his choice of a username, when the man had posted nothing in violation of any forum rules, was asking that man his personal beliefs. Not nuetrally monitoring content. Accordingly the only reason a monitor would inquire as to another man's personal beliefs would be to discriminate against him if such beliefs didn't align with his own. Furthermore, if you can't spot racism undoubtedly in the content in question, and you must ask the person who posted it, then clearly you're reaching.

My point sir, is the man's personal beliefs are his own. None of my business, none of DD's business or anyone else's.

And to the matter of political discourse and the hostility rising toward myself, I'll say this, knowing I may be nearing a ban. The people's here adamantly protesting the open discourse recently in the news section are those who've been unable to effectively defend thier respective positions with logic and under scrutiny. Therefore instead of reflecting on those opinions, they simply protest the open discourse that led them to the uncomfortable state of examining those opinions openly with one who may disagree.

With this truth put in perspective, it's my opinion that shutting down an area of open discourse among grown men because it makes certain people uncomfortable, would be a travesty to not only this forum, but the idea of free speech and open discourse itself.

I looked before posting this, and some of the debates weve had here have had more views and traffic than most other places on this forum. I personally see the discussions we've all had here to be very healthy and educational most of the time. If only more people in this country were willing to engage eachother with the type of candor, along with the respect we show eachother most of the time our nation as a whole would be much tighter and more tolerant. Because we may not agree with eachother, but we've learned to respect each other and eachothers opinions.

Participating in these discussions is totally voluntary. No one is asked pr required to participate, and if anyone doesn't want to see it, then don't look.
I recognize that I have no power or authority whatsoever here. And whatever y'all decide is just the way it's going to be. I only ask for your consideration.

*on a side note, I would like to say that I've gotten multiple pms from members here, thanking and encouraging me for saying and defending opinions that have themselves, but are hesitant to speak openly. Some of them are strong , honorable and capable men who simply don't have the intellect to debate with educated others, and others yet are men who do, but fear reprocussion from a few prominent members here.
To me, that is a problem. So I persist.

[Hughinn]

Hughinn, I just want to say - that I truly understand the recent points being made that the needless bickering is a pain in the ass to some & could certainly be bad for the forum; but you and I have managed to keep it respectful. More than that, you and I have conceded on certain points and have come to similar conclusions after our exchange. I am proud of that and why I like this sub-forum.

With that said, regarding 88, I actually have it on my license plate (on a German car none the less, lol). But should I tattoo it upon my neck and defend it by saying it’s my wedding anniversary (August 8th actually is)? I know it would offend many & for an obvious reason. I wanted love and hate tattooed on my fingers for more philosophical reasons, but again chose against it and chose something else less than a week from the appointment. I fully agree with the idea of free speech, but feel that other’s that are exposed to it have rights as well & the right to be offended should be respected.

I hope that they keep this sub forum open, but fully agree that it should be shut down. I would like to see the controversial/political stuff stay here though, instead of in the anabolic lounge; that way far more people can easily ignore it.

Peace brother.

I understand wango.

And I respect your opinions, and the opinions of the other men here as well.

But I ask you ro consider : we pay much lip service here to ideas like democracy, free speech and open discourse. Rightfully so, because those are the foundation tenets of what we believe as alpha American men.

Well sir, this is it. Open discourse and democracy isn't always pretty. Amd it's not intended to be. But it's necessary, and it's actually very healthy. We debate the news of today here with other alpha men who we've got alot in common with, and yet may disagree. I can't think of a better model for open discourse and democracy that what I've seen here.

I agree that we all do need to do a better job of maintaining better civility at times, and that includes myself, perhaps moreso than many others. I will take that advice, amd try to apply it better henceforth.

But I digress, that stopping it altogether would be a direct contradiction to the very ideals we say we all espouse.

[almostgone]

I should have alot more then that

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Only if you want the consequences.



Edit: Enlighten me. Why would you want to pop off with derogatory comments instead of discussing topics like an adult? Do you feel better popping off junk just because someone disagrees with you?