Guns and Ammo Thread

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S & B, yeah they arent hot. I plan on buying some in the future just not now. Ammo is just to damn expensive right now

I hear ya man, the price of ammo is absurd, and so is the price of everything else like gas and food. I have no desire to blow through thousands of dollars on guns and ammo right now.

One thing you have to take in to account is the weight of the pistol with a loaded magazine in it. 40S&W projectiles usually are between 135-185 grains, whereas a 45 ACP projectile can weigh from 185 grains to 250 grains. Then you have to factor in the weight of the casing and although neglegible, the weight of the powder and primer. That added weight the 45 has can have some effect on perceived recoil as it has more mass at rest.

Then you have to factor in the mass of the projectile + velocity. And for a 45 acp 240gr projectile going at 850fps (which is above average for 45) can give you 385 foot pounds of force. A 40 S&W round weight 150 grains going at 1200fps has 480 foot pounds of force

So going by that, 9mm is lighter weight and has projectiles traveling with on average more energy footpounds of force, so it makes sense that it's going to have more perceived recoil given similar barrel length and unloaded pistol weights.

On a little tangent, I got this cheap hipoint in 40 S&W. That pistol weighs so much you can barely feel any recoil at all with it (like you almost feel like the first one you shoot was a squib).

But yeah, if you want "hot" factory made rounds, get a chronograph and experiment. My experiences have been that the guys at the store don't know what they're talking about a great deal of the time and they rely solely on the velocities published by the manufacturer. And those manufacturers are trying to sell you ammo so they're never comparing apples to apples.

Often times, you'll find that your standard cheap ammos out-perform the more expensive "performance" rounds in velocity and foot pounds of force. Not to mention, that hotter rounds do not necessarily correlate to better accuracy.

And as far as AR rifles go. I like them a lot. But I also know that local laws from one jurisdiction to another can vary greatly and you might not be able to obtain one legally. A Mini 14 chambered in 5.56 might be a good alternative in those situations. Plus if you had to use lethal force on somebody, the negative stigma of an AR can definitely influence a jury and a DA. It might be the difference between being charged and convicted of a crime or you walking free.

True, all of these factors come into play, but i was expecting a full size FN to reoil less than a subcompact glock, which is chambered in a bigger round. 40 s&w is a higher pressure round which forces the projectile to accelerate faster than the lower pressure .45

as for high point, ive seen alot of video reviews of them and they actually are very reliable pistols, but i cant get over how ugly they are. id rather spend the extra money and get another glock. also, you are 100% correct, using an AR for home defense is more likely to result in criminal charges than using a shotgun or a pistol. i keep a glock 17 and a glock 19 on the nightstand next to my bed with a couple spare 33 round mags, and a GP WASR10-63 with a bayonet and 40 round mag for easy access along with another 3 loaded 40 round mags, but one of my glocks would be the go to, the AK is only for worst case scenario, plus i just like looking at it.

The chapters devoted to the creation of the rifle &‘ the inventor were amazing. As was those about getting the gun ultimately accepted by the military & the military’s f’n up the M16 in Vietnam. I’ve got a copy of the training manual that was made as a comic book for the soldiers coming tomorrow. The story about the military covering up their mistakes at the cost of soldiers lives was tragic (but unfortunately typical).

i am vaguely familiar with the origins of the AR15, as i understand it the AR10 in .308 came first but it was not well liked. the 5.56 AR15 was much more popular and sold better. its pretty messed up what happened with the M16 in the early years of vietnam though, apparently the ammo that came with it was loaded with the wrong type of powder which caused excess fowling. its rumored this was a deliberate move made my crooked politicians who were mad the M14 wasnt adopted, so they tried to sabotage the M16. this wrong powder type along with a non-chrome lined chamber resulted in a very unreliable rifle that caused alot of american soldiers to die.