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    estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

    i would just like to make it clear to new people, as I'm reading a lot of confused posts out there

    We need to practive prevention. Any of these can prevent gyno but if you dont do things the smart way and wait until you get gyno to fight it the only thing you can do is letro.
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880


    GYNO IS NOT THE ONLY CONCERN IN SIDE EFFECTS

    other side effects include lethargy, suppressed gains, suppressed sex drive, acne, bloating and mood swings

    just because you are not "gyno sensitive" doesn't mean you are not "lethargy, suppressed gains, suppressed sex drive, acne, bloating and mood swing" sensitive

    also, each of these side effects can be caused be EITHER elevated estrogen (high rate of aromatization from testosterone, dbol, ec...) OR overstimulated progesterone receptors (stimulated by drol, tren, nando/deca etc...) or a combination of both

    just because you control your estrogen DOES NOT MEAN you are fully protected from the side effects from progesterone. and vice versa

    *(typical dosages [ on cycle, not pct. my pct is at the bottom of this post ] )
    these drugs cover estrogen:
    Arimidex aka Anastrozole (.25mg ed)
    Aromasin aka Exemestane (25mg ed)
    Proviron aka Mesterolone (50mg ed)

    these drugs cover progesterone/Prolactin:
    Dostinex/Cabaser aka Cabergoline (.25mg ed)
    Parlodel aka Bromocriptine

    this drug covers BOTH:
    Femara aka Letrozole (.25mg ed)

    Nolvadex is terrible to take on cycle. If taken with tren\deca or drol it will INCREASE sides.
    Nolvadex is also TOO anti-catabolic. the way muscle grows is by tearing down and rebuilding bigger. Nolvadex greatly decreases that, actually endurance athletes take it to decrease muscle fatigue.

    oh and PS
    -Arimidex and Nolvadex don't mix
    -clomid should only be used at 25mg a day, off cycle, never on
    -Nolvadex is bad when your progesterone is stimulated
    -letro causes an estrogen rebound effect when usage is stopped in people, most common way to end is to taper off stacked with Nolvadex. this can be tricky if you are using letro to deal with progesterone

    AIs stop test from converting to estrogen.
    SERMS block existing estrogen- never use on cycle

    Cabergoline reduces progesterone/Prolactin

    AIs-
    -Arimidex is best on cycle to prevent estrogen. Arimidex is avoided in pct because Nolvadex reduces the effectiveness of Arimidex. its okay to mix but Arimidex must be increased to make up for the loss.
    -letro is very strong, it prevents estrogen conversion, also reduces progesterone/Prolactin. also can reverse gyno. its best on cycle cause when you stop there can be a hard estrogen rebound. the best way to handle this is stopping letro the day before pct, so all the pct drugs handle the rebound.
    -Aromasin is a good AI, usually used in pct cause its okay with nolva
    -proviron is a DHT , but also used as an AI- my favorite. its not suppressive so its okay in pct, it also binds to SHBG making the other drugs you take it with more effective.

    SERM
    -nolva blocks existing estrogen from attaching to breast tissue, and helps some restoring test
    -clomid is best use is restoring natural test (at 25mg ed), and helps some to block estrogen


    my pct
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

    hcg crash course
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

    all about caber
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=356499

    bromo FAQ
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=44564

    dosing mg/mL? iu/ml?
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4150818
    Last edited by one8nine; 08-29-2008 at 04:45 PM.

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