BF% Increases While Bulking

[133923]

I am going into my sixth week of a cycle of durabolin npp and sustanon, i plan on running this for 12 weeks in total.

I started off at 15% bf, 5 weeks later I'm up 10lbs but.... im at 17% bf

I am eating around 1300 calories over my maintence caloric requirement, around 45% carbs 35% protein and 20%fats. Most of the carbs are complex and whole grains. I work out every other day.

Am I eating too much?
Have I gained an unusual amount of fat?
Should I cut down calories?
What bf% do most people gain by bulking?


Thanks for all the help.

[one8nine]

i bet youre not taking an AI

15% bf is high
high bf aromatizes highly
high estrogen slows growth and can store more fat
vicious circle

but if you have a good diet you should lose bf..
20% from fats is high post up your exact diet

[133923]

Breakfast

2 cups kashi crunch 7grains cereal
1 Myoplex 42g Protein Shake

Lunch
3 Cups Whole Wheat Pasta
1 chicken breast

3pm
Myoplex Protein Shake 42grams

Dinner
1 1/2 chicken breast
2 cups brown rice or whole wheat pasta

Post Workout Meal
40grams protein shake
60grams of Whole Wheat Pasta

Midnight Snack
40grams caesin protein

I am taking .25mgs of liquidex daily

[one8nine]

Breakfast

2 cups kashi crunch 7grains cereal
1 Myoplex 42g Protein Shake

Lunch
3 Cups Whole Wheat Pasta
1 chicken breast

3pm
Myoplex Protein Shake 42grams

Dinner
1 1/2 chicken breast
2 cups brown rice or whole wheat pasta

Post Workout Meal
40grams protein shake
60grams of Whole Wheat Pasta

Midnight Snack
40grams caesin protein

I am taking .25mgs of liquidex daily

wow im not a diet expert but with that diet and arimidex im stunned bro sorry homefully someone else can chyme in

edit: i see youre getting 4 shakes a day.
get a fast shake with quick carbs pwo, and one before bed thats max
switch the other 2 out for egg whites or chicken breast etc...

what do you put in your shakes? milk, eggs, water, fruit... etc

[Phate]

wow im not a diet expert but with that diet and arimidex im stunned bro sorry homefully someone else can chyme in

are you wanting to do a bulk or a lean bulk, basically do you want to gain a bit of fat and maximize muscle growth or stay lean at the expense of a little muscle growth

also, im gonna need your maintenance caloric requirement to help me with your diet

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

What does your cardio look like?

[one8nine]

are you wanting to do a bulk or a lean bulk, basically do you want to gain a bit of fat and maximize muscle growth or stay lean at the expense of a little muscle growth

also, im gonna need your maintenance caloric requirement to help me with your diet

here we go
i think this is a diet problem, im the aas/ai/serm guy
phates here to take the diet driver seat

[one8nine]

wow im not a diet expert but with that diet and arimidex im stunned bro sorry homefully someone else can chyme in

edit: i see youre getting 4 shakes a day.
get a fast shake with quick carbs pwo, and one before bed thats max
switch the other 2 out for egg whites or chicken breast etc...

what do you put in your shakes? milk, eggs, water, fruit... etc

i edited this and added to it incase you missed sorry

[Phate]

here we go
i think this is a diet problem, im the aas/ai/serm guy
phates here to take the diet driver seat

we've been tag teaming all night, you take care of the AS stuff and i hit them with the diet

[one8nine]

we've been tag teaming all night, you take care of the AS stuff and i hit them with the diet

ha ha together were going to make a race of JACKED SHREDDED GUYS ... with no gyno AND NO SUST!

[133923]

maintence calories 2800 calories
cardio = None

Im also using a tanita ironman scale to measure bf i know its not exactly accurate but i def started at 15.4% and now am anywhere from 16.4-17.4 measured throughout the day

[one8nine]

maintence calories 2800 calories
cardio = None

Im also using a tanita ironman scale to measure bf i know its not exactly accurate but i def started at 15.4% and now am anywhere from 16.4-17.4 measured throughout the day

how often are you injecting? and what dosage?
npp needs to be shot daily, sust eod at least...
also the ai wont help deca sides
hows your bloat?

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

You need to be doing cardio. 2-3 x a week



Also, too many shakes = BLOATED

[Phate]

maintence calories 2800 calories
cardio = None

Im also using a tanita ironman scale to measure bf i know its not exactly accurate but i def started at 15.4% and now am anywhere from 16.4-17.4 measured throughout the day

if it's bioelectric impedence then it can be affected by alot of factors

[133923]

im injecting both eod in the same shot sust 500mgs/wk npp 300mgs/wk

[133923]

i cant tell if im bloated or not, i feel full all the time, but i dont know if its from increased estrogen or from eating like crazy. My face isnt very puffy or anything but i do feel stuffed all the time, sorry i cant be more accurate its hard for me to judge

[one8nine]

im injecting both eod in the same shot sust 500mgs/wk npp 300mgs/wk

that itself will cause increased estrogen (unstable blood levels)
and you are doing nothing for progesterone/prolactin
estradoils can help increase rate of fat storage

[133923]

i am taking .25-.4mgs of liquidex every night

i also have the following laying around that i could throw into the mix if u think it would help,

aromasin, and nolvadex

[one8nine]

i cant tell if im bloated or not, i feel full all the time, but i dont know if its from increased estrogen or from eating like crazy. My face isnt very puffy or anything but i do feel stuffed all the time, sorry i cant be more accurate its hard for me to judge

1) keep the same overall weekly dosage, but inject daily
2) get letro, when it comes in change over from adex to it
3) go from 4 shakes to 2
4) CARDIO IS A MUST!

[133923]

Thanks for the help, just wondering what cardio will do for me other than use up some extra calories?

[one8nine]

i am taking .25-.4mgs of liquidex every night

i also have the following laying around that i could throw into the mix if u think it would help,

aromasin, and nolvadex

hey i said progesterone/gyno- that was a typo. i meant progesterone/prolactin.

arimidex has no impact on npp sides
aromasin wont either
nolva will make it worse
you need letro

nolva/aromasin is a good pct

[Phate]

Breakfast

2 cups kashi crunch 7grains cereal
1 Myoplex 42g Protein Shake
eat eggs or tuna instead of protein shake and take some bcaas with it, make sure you're getting at least 50-60g carbs here
Lunch
3 Cups Whole Wheat Pasta
1 chicken breast
3 cups of pasta is like 110g carbs, you don't need that many in one meal, cut it to 2 cups and throw some veges in there, i hope that chicken has around 45-50g protein
3pm
Myoplex Protein Shake 42grams
need carbs here, eat some sweet potatos about 50g carbs worth and scrap the shake and add some solid food
Dinner
1 1/2 chicken breast
2 cups brown rice or whole wheat pasta
cut rice and whole wheat pasta here and add sweet potato
Post Workout Meal
40grams protein shake
60grams of Whole Wheat Pasta
sweet potato instead of pasta
Midnight Snack
40grams caesin protein
up to 60g casein protein
I am taking .25mgs of liquidex daily

k, i would decrease your caloric intake to around 3400-3500, no need to be 1000cals over

you can do cardio 1-2x a week, low intensity on an empty stomach to keep the fat gain down, keep your heart rate low, use walking on an incline or riding a bike for about 30min

[one8nine]

k, i would decrease your caloric intake to around 3400-3500, no need to be 1000cals over

ha ha see man youre the diet king
when i eat heres how i measure meals:
chicken breast
handfull of cooked whole wheat pasta
bag of vegies

[Phate]

ha ha see man youre the diet king
when i eat heres how i measure meals:
chicken breast
handfull of cooked whole wheat pasta
bag of vegies

im really anal with mine, everything i have is measured out into portions so i know exactly how much i eat

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

1) keep the same overall weekly dosage, but inject daily
2) get letro, when it comes in change over from adex to it
3) go from 4 shakes to 2
4) CARDIO IS A MUST!

lol thank you. Finally said cardio and reduce shakes.



Thought I was riding alone on that one for a second. Getting kinda scared.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

im really anal with mine, everything i have is measured out into portions so i know exactly how much i eat

Now thats dedication.


Im with 189 on diet. Just give me a handful of this and a dash of that.


nom nom nom nom

[Phate]

lol thank you. Finally said cardio and reduce shakes.



Thought I was riding alone on that one for a second. Getting kinda scared.

you're not alone at all, when i quoted his diet i did exactly that, add cardio and took away all his shakes but pwo and before bed

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

you're not alone at all, when i quoted his diet i did exactly that, add cardio and took away all his shakes but pwo and before bed

haha Just noticed that.


Dont worry though. too.

[Phate]

QUOTE=xlxBigSexyxlx;4136957]Now thats dedication.


Im with 189 on diet. Just give me a handful of this and a dash of that.


nom nom nom nom

[/QUOTE]

i have too, i bet i have more fat cells than both of you combine, and i'm not even kidding, i used to be HUGE, like almost developed type 2 diabetes and heart palpitation huge, so i make sure i know exactly everything that i eat and how much of everything it has in it

i do have to admit though, its a royal pain in the ass


too bigsexy

[one8nine]

Now thats dedication.


Im with 189 on diet. Just give me a handful of this and a dash of that.


nom nom nom nom

fyi if i dont correct you or disagree, that means i agree
thats why i ignore most of your posts

[one8nine]

QUOTE=xlxBigSexyxlx;4136957]Now thats dedication.


Im with 189 on diet. Just give me a handful of this and a dash of that.


nom nom nom nom

i have too, i bet i have more fat cells than both of you combine, and i'm not even kidding, i used to be HUGE, like almost developed type 2 diabetes and heart palpitation huge, so i make sure i know exactly everything that i eat and how much of everything it has in it

i do have to admit though, its a royal pain in the ass


too bigsexy[/QUOTE]

one time on test/tren/deca no ai or caber i think i got up to 13%. that was the only time in my life i could only see 4 abs not 6 or 8 its was terrible

[Phate]

i have too, i bet i have more fat cells than both of you combine, and i'm not even kidding, i used to be HUGE, like almost developed type 2 diabetes and heart palpitation huge, so i make sure i know exactly everything that i eat and how much of everything it has in it

i do have to admit though, its a royal pain in the ass


too bigsexy

one time on test/tren/deca no ai or caber i think i got up to 13%. that was the only time in my life i could only see 4 abs not 6 or 8 its was terrible[/QUOTE]

oh you poor thing triple that and thats what i was at when i was 13

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

fyi if i dont correct you or disagree, that means i agree
thats why i ignore most of your posts

*Note to self*

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

one time on test/tren/deca no ai or caber i think i got up to 13%. that was the only time in my life i could only see 4 abs not 6 or 8 its was terrible

oh you poor thing triple that and thats what i was at when i was 13[/QUOTE]

[Phate]

oh you poor thing triple that and thats what i was at when i was 13

[/QUOTE]

now im gonna go to my corner and cry

[133923]

Okay so i should be consuming around 700 calories over maintence?
I will do cardo 2-3 times a week
I wont be able to get a hold of letro but im dropping npp in 2 weeks anyways,
Less shakes more real food

Anyway that my bf% will drop during this bulking cycle?

[133923]

I know this is probably a very dumb question, and I most likely know that the answer to this question is NO! but......

Would it do me any good to diet for 1-2 weeks on cycle and then start lean bulking again, gradually increasing calories?

[FireGuy]

At 17% "bulk" should not be in your thoughts or vocabulary. You got some really good advice here already although I would prescribe more than 60-90 minutes of cardio per week.

[bmit]

I have done that before. If my bf gets too high i will diet down for a week or two on bulking. Depends on your tolerance for higher bfs. I feel gross over 14-15%

[BG]

how often are you injecting? and what dosage?
npp needs to be shot daily, sust eod at least...
also the ai wont help deca sides
hows your bloat?

Why wont an AI help deca sides?