Cardio for fat burning...

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so after w/o is perfect time to do cardio...as h/r is elevated to target level and blood sugars are burned off from resistance training. I wouldnt eat/ drink anything esp fast digesting whey /aminos as this will undo the effect of immeaditely burning bodyfat for fuel that doing cardio immediately following resistance training would give you. By doing this you eliminate the 20 mins or so it takes doing cardio alone to reach he point where body turns to bodyfat for fuel. id go from weights to cardio ...do 30-40 mins cardio at target hr and then drink post wo shake....you shouldnt enter catabolic state if you have eaten a pre workout meal plus the workout alone will foster an "anabolic window" . Just drink pwo shake immediately following cardio. Oh and id drop the "during workout shake" h2o only if u really wanna burn bodyfat ...again your needs should be met from your pre workout meal...no need during and you have about an hour after resistance to take in pwo shake.

i don't quite agree with this, a protein/amino drink before cardio won't hinder fatburning since you are ingesting protein, not a carbohydrate or fat source. In addition to this, if your body does shift into a catabolic state during the cardio(unlikely unless you do high intensity cardio) you will have a full amino acid pool from the shake which your body will use as a substitute during gluconeogenesis

the anabolic window is correct, but the problem is, while you have an "anabolic window" the anaerobic nature and intensity therein of weight training will put you in a catabolic state towards the end and after your workout

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i don't quite agree with this, a protein/amino drink before cardio won't hinder fatburning since you are ingesting protein, not a carbohydrate or fat source. In addition to this, if your body does shift into a catabolic state during the cardio(unlikely unless you do high intensity cardio) you will have a full amino acid pool from the shake which your body will use as a substitute during gluconeogenesis

the anabolic window is correct, but the problem is, while you have an "anabolic window" the anaerobic nature and intensity therein of weight training will put you in a catabolic state towards the end and after your workout

Hmm I may be mistaken but your body will not differentiate between caloires from protein or carbs ingested. Although carbs are primary(preferred) source of fuel your body will burn ingested protein before bodyfat for fuel. Protein does not only build muscle (im sure u already know that). Interesting thread..i like different takes on this. I tend to question the falling into catabolic state so quickly or at end of resistance training ...the bodies response to such training usually involves increased levels of anabolic hormones and if u are on supplements (juice)well that would def prevent this...even if not i question this. Im sure there are prob studies out there that support both theories...

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Hmm I may be mistaken but your body will not differentiate between caloires from protein or carbs ingested.you're correct Although carbs are primary(preferred) source of fuel your body will burn ingested protein before bodyfat for fuel. this is the part i don't agree with, your body would burn protein in an anaerobic cardio session, but in a steady state session the major energy provider is fat due to the fact that it has time to oxidize, also since after working out you have an "anabolic window" the protein you take in will be shuffled into muscle cells and used to replenish your amino acid poolProtein does not only build muscle (im sure u already know that). Interesting thread..i like different takes on this. I tend to question the falling into catabolic state so quickly or at end of resistance training ...the bodies response to such training usually involves increased levels of anabolic hormones and if u are on supplements (juice)well that would def prevent this...even if not i question this. Im sure there are prob studies out there that support both theories...

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[jimmyinkedup]

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Hmm so you think if an energy source is avail to the body (in the form of protein) it will still turn to body fat as primary source of fuel? Im trying to get my hands around that. Surely caloric intake prior to cardio will lessen the bodies need to resort to fat for fuel...which can be done immedaitely if you follow resistance training with cardio. The anabolic window we speak of can be taken advantage of after cardio and your body will IMO be more effective at using body fat as primary source of fuel during cardio if you refrain from another energy source the body would prefer over burning body fat.

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Hmm so you think if an energy source is avail to the body (in the form of protein) it will still turn to body fat as primary source of fuel? yes, because the conversion of protein to glycogen is more energy expensive then lipolysis, our bodies are designed for survival and will do whatever it takes to survive but when given a choice will choose the path of least resistant(more energy gained)Im trying to get my hands around that. Surely caloric intake prior to cardio will lessen the bodies need to resort to fat for fuel...which can be done immedaitely if you follow resistance training with cardio. The anabolic window we speak of can be taken advantage of after cardioyes, but there are actually a series of windows(or a closing window if you will) and the sooner a protein source is made available the better and your body will IMO be more effective at using body fat as primary source of fuel during cardio if you refrain from another energy source the body would prefer over burning body fat.

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