Test E/Dbol Cycle

[sinny]

im geting closer to understanding
(thank you for helping me out im new to steroids)

what i dont understand is witch do you take during and what one u take after. serms and AI's.

it would depend on the cycle you were going to run,some steroids like tren/deca etc can not be used with nolva,An AI should always be run through a cycle but will also have no affect on tren/deca its prolactin (not sure how to spell it) related gyno from them,.Letro,adex arimidex ect are good when using tests etc

[thebeast71]

it would depend on the cycle you were going to run,some steroids like tren/deca etc can not be used with nolva,An AI should always be run through a cycle but will also have no affect on tren/deca its progetrin (not sure how to spell it) related gyno from them,.Letro,adex arimidex ect are good when using tests etc

if i was running Test-E by its self for 12 weeks
1-12 test-E 1cc every 3 days/ nova(1 pill a day)

PCT.
start the PCT 14 days after my last injection

[Reed]

if i was running Test-E by its self for 12 weeks
1-12 test-E 1cc every 3 days/ nova(1 pill a day)

PCT.
start the PCT 14 days after my last injection

Why don't you start your own thread, list your stats, and dosages you plan to run. I have no idea how many mg 1cc of the Test E you have has in it. Also do the same with the nolva. 1 pill a day could mean any amount. I think you might want to research more not be spoon feed

[sinny]

if i was running Test-E by its self for 12 weeks
1-12 test-E 1cc every 3 days/ nova(1 pill a day)

PCT.
start the PCT 14 days after my last injection

To start with id run the test-e for at least 16 weeks not sure how many mg per ml your running there though..,12 weeks on test-e and things are just getting good,then you stop-this sucks this is why im a 16 week fan..,i would only use the nolva if i was getiing puffy or itchy nipples as i am not keen on it,get some arimidex or adex,use .25ed for the whole cycle,continue using into your pct where nolva/clomid and maybe hcg can be used but only if your balls are struggling to come back,if this is your first cycle this should not be the case

[sinny]

you sound like your not ready to be juicing though bro if im honest as the questions your asking and the manor to which your asking (i.e) 1cc and 1 pill tell me nothing,i will try to help you as im sure many others will but you have to help yourself first.good luck

[thebeast71]

you sound like your not ready to be juicing though bro if im honest as the questions your asking and the manor to which your asking (i.e) 1cc and 1 pill tell me nothing,i will try to help you as im sure many others will but you have to help yourself first.good luck

i understand im tryin to learn everything before i start. the people i know that think they know steroids dont know shit, so its hard to learn everything thro the internet...

[sinny]

i understand im tryin to learn everything before i start. the people i know that think they know steroids dont know shit, so its hard to learn everything thro the internet...

The fist step is asking a bizilion questions,this your doing,but we need age,weight,b/f cycle and lifting experiance,macros etc..then we can all help you get on the right path..

[thebeast71]

The fist step is asking a bizilion questions,this your doing,but we need age,weight,b/f cycle and lifting experiance,macros etc..then we can all help you get on the right path..

ill make my own thread.

[thebeast71]

To start with id run the test-e for at least 16 weeks not sure how many mg per ml your running there though..,12 weeks on test-e and things are just getting good,then you stop-this sucks this is why im a 16 week fan..,i would only use the nolva if i was getiing puffy or itchy nipples as i am not keen on it,get some arimidex or adex,use .25ed for the whole cycle,continue using into your pct where nolva/clomid and maybe hcg can be used but only if your balls are struggling to come back,if this is your first cycle this should not be the case

yes this would be my firsy cycle. and do PCT last untill you start your next cycle?

[sinny]

yes this would be my firsy cycle. and do PCT last untill you start your next cycle?

im not sure what your asking me there bro

[Reed]

To start with id run the test-e for at least 16 weeks not sure how many mg per ml your running there though..,12 weeks on test-e and things are just getting good,then you stop-this sucks this is why im a 16 week fan..,i would only use the nolva if i was getiing puffy or itchy nipples as i am not keen on it,get some arimidex or adex,use .25ed for the whole cycle,continue using into your pct where nolva/clomid and maybe hcg can be used but only if your balls are struggling to come back,if this is your first cycle this should not be the case

Why are we all recommending using AI's in such simple cycles. Its about keeping your estrogen in check but with the doses I'm sure he is going to run with the AI I'm willing to bet he will run is estradiol levels too low. In this type of simple cycles like Test or Test/dbol AI's are best used by those who are overly gyno prone IMO. Estrogen is an important hormone for growth.... I know that might be shocking....

The first hormone we need to keep an eye on. Many AAS convert to estrogen via the aromatization process. Some AAS are worse than others. Also, estrogen spikes after a cycle. High levels of estrogen leads to gyno, water retention, fat storage etc. Estrogen plays a key role in progesterone related gyno. We either block its receptors with SERMS or reduce its production with AIs. We watch estrogen levels during a cycle and in PCT. Lowering estrogen too much will mess up your blood lipids. Letting it get out of control will cause sides like gyno, water retention etc. Estrogen plays a role in IGF-1 levels, may lower IGF-1 when blocked with a SERM. Estrogen is also beneficial hormone when bulking, promoting higher androgen receptor concentrations (!). It also is beneficial in another way - its supposed to act as an anti-inflammatory - this means blocking or reducing it too much during a heavy bulking cycle can result in injury to joints. Obviously different estrogen levels are desired for different goals, and it is not always good to block its action or its production. Usually, while bulking, estrogen is allowed to rise unless gyno or water retention (leading to high blood pressure) becomes a problem. When cutting and shedding water and lifting a little lighter (contest prep for example) estrogen is usually dropped with an AI. Proper diet and training can help the bad side effects high estrogen can have.

[sinny]

Why are we all recommending using AI's in such simple cycles. Its about keeping your estrogen in check but with the doses I'm sure he is going to run with the AI I'm willing to bet he will run is estradiol levels too low. In this type of simple cycles like Test or Test/dbol AI's are best used by those who are overly gyno prone IMO. Estrogen is an important hormone for growth.... I know that might be shocking....

im with you there bro,we do need a slight amount of estrogen to grow even though a lot of people do not share this view ..what im saying is imo never juice without 1 as it may not affect you now but later in life i promise you it will come back to you if you do this to often..i dont mind writing something up when i get a moment if you would like to read why you should always run an AI

[Reed]

im with you there bro,we do need a slight amount of estrogen to grow even though a lot of people do not share this view ..what im saying is imo never juice without 1 as it may not affect you now but later in life i promise you it will come back to you if you do this to often..i dont mind writing something up when i get a moment if you would like to read why you should always run an AI

Sure right it up. I like to see it..... as numerous of people and logs will state with such simple cycles as these you gains will be cut short. Estrogen is anabolic and that is why the best way to solve the problem is to keep an eye on it through blood work before, during, and after. Willing to bet most guys don't need an AI during there cycles and are actually hurting there results tremendously and it seems most the guys who recommend it in my experience here and other places during these type cycles usually aren't the biggest guys.

[sinny]

Sure right it up. I like to see it..... as numerous of people and logs will state with such simple cycles as these you gains will be cut short. Estrogen is anabolic and that is why the best way to solve the problem is to keep an eye on it through blood work before, during, and after. Willing to bet most guys don't need an AI during there cycles and are actually hurting there results tremendously and it seems most the guys who recommend it in my experience here and other places during these type cycles usually aren't the biggest guys.

i l write it up for you bro,im around 250lb so not to small,but in the same breath not big enough either

[sinny]

Sure right it up. I like to see it..... as numerous of people and logs will state with such simple cycles as these you gains will be cut short. Estrogen is anabolic and that is why the best way to solve the problem is to keep an eye on it through blood work before, during, and after. Willing to bet most guys don't need an AI during there cycles and are actually hurting there results tremendously and it seems most the guys who recommend it in my experience here and other places during these type cycles usually aren't the biggest guys.

also as you know Nolva is a SERM which means it's selective. It only blocks estrogen in certain tissue. It's designed to block estrogen in the breast tissue. That's fine for gyno but you'll still have high levels of estrogen in your system that will effect, mood, acne, blood pressure, etc. An suicidal AI will inhibit the production of the estrogen so you don't have too much in your body.

[sinny]

Sure right it up. I like to see it..... as numerous of people and logs will state with such simple cycles as these you gains will be cut short. Estrogen is anabolic and that is why the best way to solve the problem is to keep an eye on it through blood work before, during, and after. Willing to bet most guys don't need an AI during there cycles and are actually hurting there results tremendously and it seems most the guys who recommend it in my experience here and other places during these type cycles usually aren't the biggest guys.

without writing a book on the subject bro,il give you my reasons in a summary

I just named 3 reasons in an earlyer post why you need an AI. Mood, acne, blood pressure. here are 3 more reasons why i think AI should always be used? Prostate enlargement, dopamine and serotonin levels . All affected by estrogen. Estrogen is a female hormone. It wreaks havoc on a man. ANY amount of test beyond your natural levels needs an AI. can i ask why do you feel he does not need it? Is it because he can use low amounts of test and not feel the side effects? Well lets put it this way bro, if I don't feel or see anything I must be okay right ?/wrong my friend. That would be ridiculous. Why would you stress your body out with estrogen until the sides show up, and then when they do and they will we would then try to reverse it with an AI?

Makes sence,i understand where your coming from with what your saying,i just worry about people using gear without an AI,my father specializes in mens health and when i started juicing 10 years ago,made sure i knew the health implications,i cruise now then cycle,then cruise,il never come off and have not been off for 6 years,without an AI even during a TRT dose of 100-250mg test a week i would need an AI..i hope i have been respectful in the way i have answered this and made a little sence also..