Testing Amplify 02

[jimmyinkedup]

The studies are not wrong. They are correct. *YOU* are wrong because you cannot, apparently, read a study, evaluate its content and apply it to a related but different question. The would be no shame in this as it is a skill that is cultivated over many years. That you demand to be taken seriously simultaneously is the shame. You fail to grasp one of the most fundamental concepts in biochemistry. Effects do *not* scale linearly with dosage. Calcium too low? You die. Calcium to high? You die. We are not talking about cyanide or arsenic here. We are not talking about Sarin or scorpion venom. You argue as if you understood basic electrolyte biochemistry and clinical reality as one would understand poisoning. They are not remotely the same. Electrolyte homeostasis is simply more nuanced than that and in this arena I think my college degree in biochemisty and medical education *does* give the grounds to tell you "No, you are making a mistake in your interpretation".

Do you need Sanjay Gupta to tell you you are wrong before you will back off this nonsense? Should I send you over to a medical forum and have two dozen people with over a decade of medical education tell you exactly what I am telling you now? I admit, I am not great about giving people a face saving way out of an argument with me. Sorry. But you are wrong all the same and you are going to have to eat your vegetables and just take your licks here.

*sigh* again i ask :

1- Do you , as a doctor, really think its smart to defend this ingredient ....with risk factors ...in a demographic likely to be using one or more substances known to increase these risks?

2- Why does the fda warn low dose long term use may result in possible renal failure due to phosphate crystal build up - and why did they require 2 OTC preparations to adjust formulas and place warnings on their products?

3 - Do you honestly think its prudent to take this daily in a supplement?

4- If you felt i merely misinterpreted the studies - maybe you could have just said that - instead of starting in hurling insults etc .... That may have been more mature - and productive - i gave you the opportunity - openly ignoring your first insult and inviting your input. You simply replied with another insult ... surprising ?? - not considering the source - no.

5- As far as my chemistry knowledge - well im not sure you would want to compare ....physiology yes i would hope you know more - chemistry - well lets just say you and i both better hope not next time u write out a script....

6- I dont need to save face at all - i expressed my opinion - i stick by it.

7-My mind hasn't changed - i wont take this supp - for several reasons - this is just one more reason to add to the list...

Respond if you wish - i am done with my interaction with you in this thread. Hopefully , if you amend your ways as pointed out , we can have productive, informative exchanges in the future. I will no longer lower myself to trading insults with the likes of you. I enjoy this board far too much.

[BrokenBricks]

*sigh* again i ask :

1- Do you , as a doctor, really think its smart to defend this ingredient ....with risk factors ...in a demographic likely to be using one or more substances known to increase these risks?

Jesus Christ. The whole post of the last 3-4 of my post is that this cannot be reduced to recommending or avoiding a chemical. It is not *either* good or bad. DOSE MATTERS. Whatever amount is in those pills MUST, simply by virtue of its low mass, be irrelevant. This is explicit in my previous posts. I am glad you are throwing in the towel become I really don't think I could stand hearing you ask the same question a dozen times.

2- Why does the fda warn low dose long term use may result in possible renal failure due to phosphate crystal build up - and why did they require 2 OTC preparations to adjust formulas and place warnings on their products?

First, where did it say that? I did not read that. Does it use the phrase "Low dose". If so that is a statement that must be put into context because "low dose" is not very specific. As I said, we all eat tons of sodium and phosphate every day. Yet this is not a widespread disease by any stretch.

3 - Do you honestly think its prudent to take this daily in a supplement?

Yes. In the amounts that would be in those pills. It is not prudent to take the instant laxative dose repeatedly. I would hope you could tell the difference.

4- If you felt i merely misinterpreted the studies - maybe you could have just said that - instead of starting in hurling insults etc .... That may have been more mature - and productive - i gave you the opportunity - openly ignoring your first insult and inviting your input. You simply replied with another insult ... surprising ?? - not considering the source - no.

And I would have politely pointed out the errors you were making, if you had not displayed a pattern of antagonism towards me and, worse, an eagerness to "give your opinion" on questions which have little understanding. You need to be put in your place so you take pause next time you feel like making statements about things you do not understand.

5- As far as my chemistry knowledge - well im not sure you would want to compare ....physiology yes i would hope you know more - chemistry - well lets just say you and i both better hope not next time u write out a script....

Yeah, I think I am more than comfortable asserting my understanding of chemical fundamentals is stronger than yours.

6- I dont need to save face at all - i expressed my opinion - i stick by it.

Here is what you cannot do in science. You cannot take a objective fact based question and hide your ass saying "Well its just my opinion". Try submitting a research paper in any hard science field and when your peers challenge you tuck your head between your legs and claim that science is all a matter of opinion.

Respond if you wish - i am done with my interaction with you in this thread. Hopefully , if you amend your ways as pointed out , we can have productive, informative exchanges in the future. I will no longer lower myself to trading insults with the likes of you. I enjoy this board far too much.

Cute. You lob ad hominem attacks for a dozen posts and when I hit back and you get your nose a bit bloodied now you claim the high ground! Ha.