Testing Amplify 02

[Kaioken]

I am not going to take 10 GRAMS of sodium phosphate a day for 75 days for about a dozen reasons, none of which help your point. Who would eat TEN GRAMS of salt everyday on top of their normal diet? It is a retarded question. You cannot just arbitrarily select a ridiculous amount of a substance and claim that harm at one dosage bears some linear relevance at any dosage. A standard large pill contains about one third to a half a gram of ingredients. Those pills have a dozen ingredients. Even if I granted you that they contain 100mg each of sodium phosphate you would need to take 600 of them per day to reach the amount in the bowel prep.

You had to ask three times because it was a silly enough question I was going to let it slide. Let me ask you, would you eat 300 eggs in one sitting? Maybe your stomach would burst! Therefore why would you want to ingest this potentially deadly substance in any dosage?

EXACTLY the addition is in an amount that is VERY minimal

The Ingredient work all together in Amplify 02 Synergistically and piggy back off of each other and Amplify each other.

THUS you get a desired effect WITHOUT overloading on any one thing.


Its a "stacked" product

[Kaioken]

I've taken a look at the ingredients of your lipoflame. Interesting compound, don't find some of those in the hydroxycuts I sell...

thankyou Sir

yes we try to use more advanced and cleaner compounds and that are not harsh.

"Elegance" was something we were trying for.
On a side note it also makes them incredibly expensive to make which sucks for retail distribution.

[Kaioken]

Agreed

Hey bro you make good threads

lol

Hope all is well

[ckyass]

Hey bro you make good threads

lol

Hope all is well

haha this is the first thread i've made in a long time. All is good..feeling a cold coming on so i took off work today and got some extra rest. Feeling better now..hopefully hitting some chest/back supersets tonight.

[IM708]

haha this is the first thread i've made in a long time. All is good..feeling a cold coming on so i took off work today and got some extra rest. Feeling better now..hopefully hitting some chest/back supersets tonight.

Those workouts are the best. Pump is amazing.

[ckyass]

hell yeah man....my routine mixes up power lifting in the beggining of the week and ends with superset/hypertrophy workouts towards the end of the week. Feels ****in awsome

[jimmyinkedup]

I am not going to take 10 GRAMS of sodium phosphate a day for 75 days for about a dozen reasons, none of which help your point. Who would eat TEN GRAMS of salt everyday on top of their normal diet? It is a retarded question. You cannot just arbitrarily select a ridiculous amount of a substance and claim that harm at one dosage bears some linear relevance at any dosage. A standard large pill contains about one third to a half a gram of ingredients. Those pills have a dozen ingredients. Even if I granted you that they contain 100mg each of sodium phosphate you would need to take 600 of them per day to reach the amount in the bowel prep.

You had to ask three times because it was a silly enough question I was going to let it slide. Let me ask you, would you eat 300 eggs in one sitting? Maybe your stomach would burst! Therefore why would you want to ingest this potentially deadly substance in any dosage?

You failed toaddress these points:
i reiterate:

this supp has this ingredient ...in an amount unknown to you ...but you assume its safe ...b/c of the # of caps. But it is associated with the aforementioned disorders....the demographic here is very likely to be taking other risk increasing compounds .Do you , as a doctor, really think its smart to defend this ingredient ....with unknown risk factors ...in a demographic likely to be using one or more substances known to increase these risks?
See for me its easy - its associated with the disorder ....its in a supp u take daily ...why take it? at any dose.


Where you go wrong is you try to argue opinions - ...you see i read info on an ingredient - i assessed it - i formed and stated an opinion - based on facts i read. Re read this thread. You then sarcastically question my knowledge of chemistry - which i ignore and ask for your input. You then proceed to explain why i deserve to be talked down to ..blah blah blah. I have my opinion - in my mind it is justified. Answer my above questions honestly and on some level we agree i believe - i cant imagine you saying yeah ill take it with an nsaid and /or'> tren. Or yeah its a good thing to take a supp with this ingredient and other potential associated risk factors(unknown to you). Or you know what maybe you think its fine ...and thats ok - but taking the thread to personal attacks etc ...you went there - its stupid - and YOUR peers (acutually not your peers - specialists - urologists , etc...) wrote the articles i read....the FDA - who we both know well - warned not only against high dosage but low dose long term use - "potential build up of phosphate crystals leading to possible renal failure. "

Why did you fail to address the above?
You claim its a salt and a phospahte blah blah blah - the body removes it all the time. OK so take 2 teaspoons of table salt in h20 daily in addition to your normal diet.....intelligent - no ...healthy -no.
I guess you know the kidney so well ALL the experts that wrote the articles and studies i cited are wrong. The FDA investigated / regulated OTC products containing this very ingredient for the dangers i mentioned..... and they must be wrong too.

Given all the above info - the studies - the fda findings -the risk with low dose long term usage (documented by the fda btw) you STILL want to argue this point. You must be right - they are all wrong...and then to boot you call me an idiot.

People can read and decide for themselves.
I wont take the supplement. Thats my opinion - you havent changed it.

Oh but wait that wasnt your goal anyway was it - you entered the thread spewing insults at me from the start.
Its easier to do that than to read the links i posted - acknowledge the truth in the bold statements above - and actually admit you dont know everything.
It's easier stating everyone else including urologists , specialists and the FDA are wrong ...and you ....a resident (no disrespect - just pointing itout for comparison purposes) are correct.
I find that hard to believe - even for you.

[ckyass]

Today will be the last day of my bulk...I will be diving into my cutting diet starting monday so it should be interesting to see how AMP 02 does on lower cals. One of the stated advantages of AMP 02's decription on the AGX site is a "fat burning effect". Its been great so far on on my bulk diet (High carb, med pro, med fat). My cutting diet will consist of high pro, med fat, with tons of green veggies....every 3 days i will incorporate a very high carb/fat meal to replenish glycogen and bring my body out of slight ketosis. So with all that mumbo jumbo said....let the cut begin and lets see what this stuff can further do for me. I'm 203lbs, 13%bf as of this morning. I have 17 weeks to get contest ready...let the fat burning carnage begin!

[RATTLEHEAD]

13 weeks? you should be ****ing shredded by then..

[BrokenBricks]

You failed toaddress these points:
i reiterate:

this supp has this ingredient ...in an amount unknown to you ...but you assume its safe ...b/c of the # of caps. But it is associated with the aforementioned disorders....the demographic here is very likely to be taking other risk increasing compounds .Do you , as a doctor, really think its smart to defend this ingredient ....with unknown risk factors ...in a demographic likely to be using one or more substances known to increase these risks?
See for me its easy - its associated with the disorder ....its in a supp u take daily ...why take it? at any dose.


Where you go wrong is you try to argue opinions - ...you see i read info on an ingredient - i assessed it - i formed and stated an opinion - based on facts i read. Re read this thread. You then sarcastically question my knowledge of chemistry - which i ignore and ask for your input. You then proceed to explain why i deserve to be talked down to ..blah blah blah. I have my opinion - in my mind it is justified. Answer my above questions honestly and on some level we agree i believe - i cant imagine you saying yeah ill take it with an nsaid and /or'> tren. Or yeah its a good thing to take a supp with this ingredient and other potential associated risk factors(unknown to you). Or you know what maybe you think its fine ...and thats ok - but taking the thread to personal attacks etc ...you went there - its stupid - and YOUR peers (acutually not your peers - specialists - urologists , etc...) wrote the articles i read....the FDA - who we both know well - warned not only against high dosage but low dose long term use - "potential build up of phosphate crystals leading to possible renal failure. "

Why did you fail to address the above?
You claim its a salt and a phospahte blah blah blah - the body removes it all the time. OK so take 2 teaspoons of table salt in h20 daily in addition to your normal diet.....intelligent - no ...healthy -no.
I guess you know the kidney so well ALL the experts that wrote the articles and studies i cited are wrong. The FDA investigated / regulated OTC products containing this very ingredient for the dangers i mentioned..... and they must be wrong too.

Given all the above info - the studies - the fda findings -the risk with low dose long term usage (documented by the fda btw) you STILL want to argue this point. You must be right - they are all wrong...and then to boot you call me an idiot.

People can read and decide for themselves.
I wont take the supplement. Thats my opinion - you havent changed it.

Oh but wait that wasnt your goal anyway was it - you entered the thread spewing insults at me from the start.
Its easier to do that than to read the links i posted - acknowledge the truth in the bold statements above - and actually admit you dont know everything.
It's easier stating everyone else including urologists , specialists and the FDA are wrong ...and you ....a resident (no disrespect - just pointing itout for comparison purposes) are correct.
I find that hard to believe - even for you.

The studies are not wrong. They are correct. *YOU* are wrong because you cannot, apparently, read a study, evaluate its content and apply it to a related but different question. The would be no shame in this as it is a skill that is cultivated over many years. That you demand to be taken seriously simultaneously is the shame. You fail to grasp one of the most fundamental concepts in biochemistry. Effects do *not* scale linearly with dosage. Calcium too low? You die. Calcium to high? You die. We are not talking about cyanide or arsenic here. We are not talking about Sarin or scorpion venom. You argue as if you understood basic electrolyte biochemistry and clinical reality as one would understand poisoning. They are not remotely the same. Electrolyte homeostasis is simply more nuanced than that and in this arena I think my college degree in biochemisty and medical education *does* give the grounds to tell you "No, you are making a mistake in your interpretation".

Do you need Sanjay Gupta to tell you you are wrong before you will back off this nonsense? Should I send you over to a medical forum and have two dozen people with over a decade of medical education tell you exactly what I am telling you now? I admit, I am not great about giving people a face saving way out of an argument with me. Sorry. But you are wrong all the same and you are going to have to eat your vegetables and just take your licks here.

[RATTLEHEAD]

lol @ the Dr. Gupta part.

[Kaioken]

Today will be the last day of my bulk...I will be diving into my cutting diet starting monday so it should be interesting to see how AMP 02 does on lower cals. One of the stated advantages of AMP 02's decription on the AGX site is a "fat burning effect". Its been great so far on on my bulk diet (High carb, med pro, med fat). My cutting diet will consist of high pro, med fat, with tons of green veggies....every 3 days i will incorporate a very high carb/fat meal to replenish glycogen and bring my body out of slight ketosis. So with all that mumbo jumbo said....let the cut begin and lets see what this stuff can further do for me. I'm 203lbs, 13%bf as of this morning. I have 17 weeks to get contest ready...let the fat burning carnage begin!

because you have been so kind and genorous with your time
run LipoStim3 with LipoFLAME the last 6 weeks of your cut and we'll give you half off

it will allow you to eliminate the last stubborn pounds that you need to break through on


run it like this:

On your LIFTING DAYS (upper body):

* 2 caps LipoStim3 + 1-2 caps LIPOFLAME in the AM
* Full dose of Amplify.02 for your Afternoon Lifting session

On Cardio and Legs Days:

* 2 caps LipoStim3 + 1-2 caps LIPOFLAME in the AM
* 3-4 caps LIPOFLAME for your Cardio or Leg Workouts in the Afternoon.

On OFF days:

* 2 caps LipoStim3 + 1-2 caps LIPOFLAME
* 1 cap LipoStim3 with 2 caps LIPOFLAME Midday or at Lunch

~~## Note: for those who workout in the Morning simply switch doses
above and use the Afternoon dose in the AM, and the AM dose at lunch
or afternoon. So either way you WIN ~!~


WHY use LipoStim3 with LIPOFLAME?

~LIPOFLAME works as a "Stand Alone" Fat burner, but for those wanting
to lose that last bit of stubborn fat or get into "Competition level" shape
and body fat they would need LipoStim3 + LIPOFLAME.

~LipoStim3 targets A2 fat cells more directly via the Tea Extract and
Generation 3 thermogens in it ( via Epinephrine / NorEpinephrine) as Ephedrine did only safer.

~Where Lipoflame utilizes Evoflame, Ecgc, and ester compounds.
And hits similar pathways that Capsiate does minus the side effect and revs metabolism safely which equals more net calories burned daily without any change in diet or exercise~!!

~Also LIPOFLAMEs Nuerotropics are bar non some of the best and modulate mood and "feel good" neurotransmitters to simply make you Feel OUTSTANDING and on top of things.

[ckyass]

because you have been so kind and genorous with your time
run LipoStim3 with LipoFLAME the last 6 weeks of your cut and we'll give you half off

it will allow you to eliminate the last stubborn pounds that you need to break through on


run it like this:

On your LIFTING DAYS (upper body):

* 2 caps LipoStim3 + 1-2 caps LIPOFLAME in the AM
* Full dose of Amplify.02 for your Afternoon Lifting session

On Cardio and Legs Days:

* 2 caps LipoStim3 + 1-2 caps LIPOFLAME in the AM
* 3-4 caps LIPOFLAME for your Cardio or Leg Workouts in the Afternoon.

On OFF days:

* 2 caps LipoStim3 + 1-2 caps LIPOFLAME
* 1 cap LipoStim3 with 2 caps LIPOFLAME Midday or at Lunch

~~## Note: for those who workout in the Morning simply switch doses
above and use the Afternoon dose in the AM, and the AM dose at lunch
or afternoon. So either way you WIN ~!~


WHY use LipoStim3 with LIPOFLAME?

~LIPOFLAME works as a "Stand Alone" Fat burner, but for those wanting
to lose that last bit of stubborn fat or get into "Competition level" shape
and body fat they would need LipoStim3 + LIPOFLAME.

~LipoStim3 targets A2 fat cells more directly via the Tea Extract and
Generation 3 thermogens in it ( via Epinephrine / NorEpinephrine) as Ephedrine did only safer.

~Where Lipoflame utilizes Evoflame, Ecgc, and ester compounds.
And hits similar pathways that Capsiate does minus the side effect and revs metabolism safely which equals more net calories burned daily without any change in diet or exercise~!!

~Also LIPOFLAMEs Nuerotropics are bar non some of the best and modulate mood and "feel good" neurotransmitters to simply make you Feel OUTSTANDING and on top of things.

Nice man...i will get in touch with you when im going to purchase them. I will prolly buy them next paycheck and just keep them in the house until the last final weeks approach. Thanks so much bro.

[jimmyinkedup]

The studies are not wrong. They are correct. *YOU* are wrong because you cannot, apparently, read a study, evaluate its content and apply it to a related but different question. The would be no shame in this as it is a skill that is cultivated over many years. That you demand to be taken seriously simultaneously is the shame. You fail to grasp one of the most fundamental concepts in biochemistry. Effects do *not* scale linearly with dosage. Calcium too low? You die. Calcium to high? You die. We are not talking about cyanide or arsenic here. We are not talking about Sarin or scorpion venom. You argue as if you understood basic electrolyte biochemistry and clinical reality as one would understand poisoning. They are not remotely the same. Electrolyte homeostasis is simply more nuanced than that and in this arena I think my college degree in biochemisty and medical education *does* give the grounds to tell you "No, you are making a mistake in your interpretation".

Do you need Sanjay Gupta to tell you you are wrong before you will back off this nonsense? Should I send you over to a medical forum and have two dozen people with over a decade of medical education tell you exactly what I am telling you now? I admit, I am not great about giving people a face saving way out of an argument with me. Sorry. But you are wrong all the same and you are going to have to eat your vegetables and just take your licks here.

*sigh* again i ask :

1- Do you , as a doctor, really think its smart to defend this ingredient ....with risk factors ...in a demographic likely to be using one or more substances known to increase these risks?

2- Why does the fda warn low dose long term use may result in possible renal failure due to phosphate crystal build up - and why did they require 2 OTC preparations to adjust formulas and place warnings on their products?

3 - Do you honestly think its prudent to take this daily in a supplement?

4- If you felt i merely misinterpreted the studies - maybe you could have just said that - instead of starting in hurling insults etc .... That may have been more mature - and productive - i gave you the opportunity - openly ignoring your first insult and inviting your input. You simply replied with another insult ... surprising ?? - not considering the source - no.

5- As far as my chemistry knowledge - well im not sure you would want to compare ....physiology yes i would hope you know more - chemistry - well lets just say you and i both better hope not next time u write out a script....

6- I dont need to save face at all - i expressed my opinion - i stick by it.

7-My mind hasn't changed - i wont take this supp - for several reasons - this is just one more reason to add to the list...

Respond if you wish - i am done with my interaction with you in this thread. Hopefully , if you amend your ways as pointed out , we can have productive, informative exchanges in the future. I will no longer lower myself to trading insults with the likes of you. I enjoy this board far too much.

[BrokenBricks]

*sigh* again i ask :

1- Do you , as a doctor, really think its smart to defend this ingredient ....with risk factors ...in a demographic likely to be using one or more substances known to increase these risks?

Jesus Christ. The whole post of the last 3-4 of my post is that this cannot be reduced to recommending or avoiding a chemical. It is not *either* good or bad. DOSE MATTERS. Whatever amount is in those pills MUST, simply by virtue of its low mass, be irrelevant. This is explicit in my previous posts. I am glad you are throwing in the towel become I really don't think I could stand hearing you ask the same question a dozen times.

2- Why does the fda warn low dose long term use may result in possible renal failure due to phosphate crystal build up - and why did they require 2 OTC preparations to adjust formulas and place warnings on their products?

First, where did it say that? I did not read that. Does it use the phrase "Low dose". If so that is a statement that must be put into context because "low dose" is not very specific. As I said, we all eat tons of sodium and phosphate every day. Yet this is not a widespread disease by any stretch.

3 - Do you honestly think its prudent to take this daily in a supplement?

Yes. In the amounts that would be in those pills. It is not prudent to take the instant laxative dose repeatedly. I would hope you could tell the difference.

4- If you felt i merely misinterpreted the studies - maybe you could have just said that - instead of starting in hurling insults etc .... That may have been more mature - and productive - i gave you the opportunity - openly ignoring your first insult and inviting your input. You simply replied with another insult ... surprising ?? - not considering the source - no.

And I would have politely pointed out the errors you were making, if you had not displayed a pattern of antagonism towards me and, worse, an eagerness to "give your opinion" on questions which have little understanding. You need to be put in your place so you take pause next time you feel like making statements about things you do not understand.

5- As far as my chemistry knowledge - well im not sure you would want to compare ....physiology yes i would hope you know more - chemistry - well lets just say you and i both better hope not next time u write out a script....

Yeah, I think I am more than comfortable asserting my understanding of chemical fundamentals is stronger than yours.

6- I dont need to save face at all - i expressed my opinion - i stick by it.

Here is what you cannot do in science. You cannot take a objective fact based question and hide your ass saying "Well its just my opinion". Try submitting a research paper in any hard science field and when your peers challenge you tuck your head between your legs and claim that science is all a matter of opinion.

Respond if you wish - i am done with my interaction with you in this thread. Hopefully , if you amend your ways as pointed out , we can have productive, informative exchanges in the future. I will no longer lower myself to trading insults with the likes of you. I enjoy this board far too much.

Cute. You lob ad hominem attacks for a dozen posts and when I hit back and you get your nose a bit bloodied now you claim the high ground! Ha.

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^^You should read the studies i post before passing judgment imo ...but hey thats up to you. If you had - you would have read the info the fda posted and action they took - but whatever.
This isnt a research paper - its an online forum - where people express their opinions ...i did so ...no need to hide anything.
As far as chemistry - whatever - maybe you do know more...it pays my bills & i excel at my profession - but hey in a smaller sense it pays yours as well - so who knows, im certainly secure enough of my knowledge in that area not to care.
We were warned re: our exchanges in another thread .....before that took place , right here , i took the high road ...you on the other hand- did not.
Have a good night - hopefully in the future we can have productive exchanges as i said.

[BrokenBricks]

^^^^You should read the studies i post before passing judgment imo ...but hey thats up to you. If you had - you would have read the info the fda posted and action they took - but whatever.
This isnt a research paper - its an online forum - where people express their opinions ...i did so ...no need to hide anything.
As far as chemistry - whatever - maybe you do know more...it pays my bills & i excel at my profession - but hey in a smaller sense it pays yours as well - so who knows, im certainly secure enough of my knowledge in that area not to care.
We were warned re: our exchanges in another thread .....before that took place , right here , i took the high road ...you on the other hand- did not.
Have a good night - hopefully in the future we can have productive exchanges as i said.

I read most of those links, but the ones made my law firms soliciting clients for lawsuits hardly constitute unbiased sources. There was a link to an FDA warning on bowel prep products. In the link where the FDA is speaking directly they make no statement that I can see about low lose ingestion. If they make such a statement simply POST IT HERE. Don't waste time with gum flapping. Just link and quote.

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ so now i need to re-read all the links i already read to find it ???? - uh no thanks ....see i know what i read ....and i know my opinion ...and i know i'm secure in it ...and i know i didnt behave like a child..... So im cool ....
Like i said - u have a good night.....
Unfortunately in your mind you prob will see this as some form of "victory" *L* - but you know what ? Thats cool with me .... I see it as maturity and security in my opinion ....at least for myself....
If you want keep reading the links - what i stated is there in black and white... have at it....

[BrokenBricks]

^^^ so now i need to re-read all the links i already read to find it ???? - uh no thanks ....see i know what i read ....and i know my opinion ...and i know i'm secure in it ...and i know i didnt behave like a child..... So im cool ....
Like i said - u have a good night.....
Unfortunately in your mind you prob will see this as some form of "victory" *L* - but you know what ? Thats cool with me .... I see it as maturity and security in my opinion ....at least for myself....
If you want keep reading the links - what i stated is there in black and white... have at it....

Give me evidence, not a freaking errand. Why do you type so strangely? Weird.

[ckyass]

calm down killers!

[Kaioken]

http://www.kammsite.com/cat%20hissing.jpg

[Kaioken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGA7Y...eature=related

[Kaioken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D48BY...eature=related

[ckyass]

HAHHHA LMAO Kaioken....LOL

[RANA]

I used the old stuff and enjoyed it. I think I might order this new stuff and see how it is.
Keep up the good work Kaioken

[Kaioken]

I promise the new one is AMAZING

Hi Rana!

[ckyass]

SO far i still feel it doing its job...carbs are lower and energy during workouts is still booming. I deff notice being slightly more tired throughout the day but as soon as i get my amp02 down the hatch and hit the gym i'm ready to f-u-c-k up them weights!

[kalspic]

i think its safe to say props to bricks and jimmy i think i probably just learned more about kidneys and all that then i have in the past year of school and research.. thanks

[RANA]

I promise the new one is AMAZING

Hi Rana!

Hi Kaioken,
I hope all is well. I should be ordering some next week. I love your products and I believe it that it will be AMAZING!!!

[RATTLEHEAD]

Kaioken, I think this stuff is a little too strong for me (lipoflame). I am not very tolerant with stimulants and taking half the recommended dose was like doubling my adderall (when i take it, which i'd never take with these supplements for obvious reasons). I don't think I can handle anything more than half the dose of both Lipoflame and AMP. What do you suggest? I feel fine, it's just too much of a neurotropic for me I think. I am so "focused" that I become unfocused (which makes sense to anyone whose ever taken adderall). Although, my bp has actually been fine with lipoflame. Anyways, give me some suggestions. Thanks.

[Indymuscleguy]

OK...after reading this thread, I'm lost. What was the final suppliments taken and what was the overall response?

Thanks

[RANA]

OK...after reading this thread, I'm lost. What was the final suppliments taken and what was the overall response?

Thanks

If you search other threads regarding theses products you will find the majority of people are satisfied, that includes me. But I used the old stuff, so now I will try the new stuff. The only thing I have ever heard negative about this is the shipping, but if there was an issues Kaioken fixed it with pay back.
I have bought all kinds of products, some have worked most have not. Now this is only my opinion so take it for what it is worth, I would try the products!

[RATTLEHEAD]

Weird, today I upped the dose of Lipoflame and I feel fine. I don't understand what happened. Maybe I just needed to adjust to it, but one day seems pretty quick to do that. Yesterday felt like an adderall overdose and today I feel fine at the recommended dosage. Today I've just been sweating profusely and I'm pretty sure it's because of the Lipoflame haha. Hopefully I will adjust enough so that I can handle the recommended dose of both the AMP02 and the Lipoflame at the same time.

Kaioken, did you ever observe any of your trainees having this happen to them? If so tell me about it, I'm interested.

[Kaioken]

hi quick Q :

how many caps of each and when do you take them each day

[RATTLEHEAD]

the first day i was only taking 2 caps of lipoflame and 2 AMP02's pre-work out. The past few days I've slowly upped the dose because I'm responding better to it and it hasn't effected me as intensely as it did on the first day. Now I'm up to taking the recommended dose of Lipoflame and I've been spreading out when I take them through out the day evenly. Today I just took 4 lipoflame (over the course of the day) and 3 Amp02's pre work out. I plan on taking the 4 lipoflame and 6 Amps pre work out on friday. I can say that the intensity, endurance, pumps, and vascularity are noticeable.. I've been feeling pretty good the past few days as well.

[Kaioken]

cool!

[user123456]

go ahead and call BS
you can do that on the internet

i am O MEGA from **edit EF

look me up before you judge me...........


I train natties for a living
and also those who are more "amped" up

What does this mean?
(Note: Alpha client's face was cropped due to underground nature of supplements used for transformation.)
Its from the ***** site..
Does that mean the two guys whose pics which you posted up were both on cycle?
Or some illicit drugs to attain that result? If so, I dont understand why you're being so defensive.

[user123456]

I call BS what else were they Taking???

I second that...It's either not the same people or they were on Growth plus a lot of other shit.

go ahead and call BS
you can do that on the internet

i am O MEGA from **edit EF

look me up before you judge me...........


I train natties for a living
and also those who are more "amped" up

Also using the pics of this "client alpha" to advertise your products on forums is rather misleading. All in all, I'm still interested to try Amplify as I have heard good things about.

[Kaioken]

What does this mean?
(Note: Alpha client's face was cropped due to underground nature of supplements used for transformation.)
Its from the ***** site..
Does that mean the two guys whose pics which you posted up were both on cycle?
Or some illicit drugs to attain that result? If so, I dont understand why you're being so defensive.

The site chose that marketing slant / language of:

"(Note: Alpha client's face was cropped due to underground nature of supplements used for transformation.)"

That was not my terminology.

All I did was train him, and give him precise tactical info on diet, lifting, and supps.

The young man was at best on Test Boosters, only thing was he was the high end of Test production Naturally. Supps were KEY

[Kaioken]

Also using the pics of this "client alpha" to advertise your products on forums is rather misleading. .

Ne they are not. He used them!

Proof he used LIPOFLAME and Amplify 02: