Picking the first cycle.

[WARMachine]

12% BF. Not even close to 5%.

If you were 5%, you would clearly see abs with no flexing

[SunDownPoint]

12% BF. Not even close to 5%.

If you were 5%, you would clearly see abs with no flexing

It's water, do you want me to take a picture of my pinching my skin for you to understand? And my abs are the least defined, let me show you a picture of my legs.

You think everyone is made the same and because I have stuborn water weight on my stomach that I have 12% bf when you havn't even seen my body?

[jamyjamjr]

It's water, do you want me to take a picture of my pinching my skin for you to understand? And my abs are the least defined, let me show you a picture of my legs.

You think everyone is made the same and because I have stuborn water weight on my stomach that I have 12% bf when you havn't even seen my body?

seems ur rationalizing bro...

u have no idea what "water weight" is untill uv cycled without a proper ai...

try having an extra 10-15lbs of water in your system and then talk..

im telling u we can fix ur little problem.. u just need to snap outta your denial

[SunDownPoint]

seems ur rationalizing bro...

u have no idea what "water weight" is untill uv cycled without a proper ai...

try having an extra 10-15lbs of water in your system and then talk..

im telling u we can fix ur little problem.. u just need to snap outta your denial

I know what water weight is, because I've been competing in mixed martial arts for the past 4 years, and I can cut 15 lbs of water when dehydrating. But it's not healthy, and i need something else to help me loss water retention without dehydrating.

[Phate]

It's water, do you want me to take a picture of my pinching my skin for you to understand? And my abs are the least defined, let me show you a picture of my legs.

You think everyone is made the same and because I have stuborn water weight on my stomach that I have 12% bf when you havn't even seen my body?

post the picture again, i've got to see you with "5%" bf, i know you don't have it, but i want to see what you think that is, how do i know you don't have it, because unless you've been contest prepping for the last few months you won't get down to that, the body just can't maintain that on a day to day basis, 8-9% yeah, but not 5

[SunDownPoint]

post the picture again, i've got to see you with "5%" bf, i know you don't have it, but i want to see what you think that is, how do i know you don't have it, because unless you've been contest prepping for the last few months you won't get down to that, the body just can't maintain that on a day to day basis, 8-9% yeah, but not 5

Please tell me what your point is? Are you gonna feel better if you seemed to prove that I calculated it wrong? I explained how I calculated it before, it's that not the correct way, then it's not? Can we get back to the topic please?

[jamyjamjr]

Please tell me what your point is? Are you gonna feel better if you seemed to prove that I calculated it wrong? I explained how I calculated it before, it's that not the correct way, then it's not? Can we get back to the topic please?

i dont think u know who your talking to bro..

phate is one of the head guys here for dieting, right under nark and nova...

we need correct info to steer u in the right direction... if your gonna act like a 12 year old about this, go find another forum..

we want u to grow.. we want u to look good... and DSM wants u to dance for him im sure...

we want u to be a success story based upon our advice, but you need to leave your ego at the door...

it's up to you

[SunDownPoint]

i dont think u know who your talking to bro..

phate is one of the head guys here for dieting, right under nark and nova...

we need correct info to steer u in the right direction... if your gonna act like a 12 year old about this, go find another forum..

we want u to grow.. we want u to look good... and DSM wants u to dance for him im sure...

we want u to be a success story based upon our advice, but you need to leave your ego at the door...

it's up to you

Sorry it's not about ego for my case, I'm feeling the ego against me, because I have less knowledge on steroids, but that has nothign to do with my dedication in the gym, and it's insulting. I'll try to post a better pic soon, although that still doesn't change the question what would be a good starting cycle that would cut water weight, reduce fat, and give nice definition, of course adding some muscle also, which comes orally?

[jamyjamjr]

Sorry it's not about ego for my case, I'm feeling the ego against me, because I have less knowledge on steroids, but that has nothign to do with my dedication in the gym, and it's insulting. I'll try to post a better pic soon, although that still doesn't change the question what would be a good starting cycle that would cut water weight, reduce fat, and give nice definition, of course adding some muscle also, which comes orally?

there is NO SUCH THING..

the only thing that does those three things is a DIET!!!!

FCUKING GUY!!!

[Phate]

Please tell me what your point is? Are you gonna feel better if you seemed to prove that I calculated it wrong? I explained how I calculated it before, it's that not the correct way, then it's not? Can we get back to the topic please?

you're the one arguing you are 5-6%, if you just agreed that we possibly know what 5% looks like better than you and stop being in denial than we could continue helping you, all i'm trying to go is get you to open your mind to the possibility

btw, i saw the pic, looks closer to 10% at minimum

would like to see your diet