Anyone else only about to failure once?

[nbaylot33]

i do all my workouts at 100 percent intensity unless its a cool off week where i do about 80%. NEVER GO OVER 100 PERCENT (past failure)

I dunno about that comment. If you do only 100% every time your body is just going to be good at that exercise at that weight. Trying for extra is always the key to growing and getting stronger. Just don't rush it and don't try to much weight or you could hurt yourself.

[eatrainrest]

I dunno about that comment. If you do only 100% every time your body is just going to be good at that exercise at that weight. Trying for extra is always the key to growing and getting stronger. Just don't rush it and don't try to much weight or you could hurt yourself.

i disagree, anything over 100 percent is risking injury which you dont want to have. the fact is by working in the proper rep range at 100% with proper form, you will see results and there is no need to go over that risking injury and putting alot of tensiona nd pressure on the joints.

what do you mean your body is just going to be good at that exercise at that weight? you will increase in strength with that exercise given the proper rep ranges, not sure where your coming form with that comment.

your 2nd comment i highlighted does not make sense otherwise overtraining would be non existant.

[nbaylot33]

i disagree, anything over 100 percent is risking injury which you dont want to have. the fact is by working in the proper rep range at 100% with proper form, you will see results and there is no need to go over that risking injury and putting alot of tensiona nd pressure on the joints.

what do you mean your body is just going to be good at that exercise at that weight? you will increase in strength with that exercise given the proper rep ranges, not sure where your coming form with that comment.

your 2nd comment i highlighted does not make sense otherwise overtraining would be non existant.

ok..... 100% changes when your body rebuilds from tearing down. I think we are thinking the same way just saying it different. Say if you did 100 lbs on bench at 10 reps and your body tears down and repairs and the next time you got stronger and can do 105 lbs for 10 reps you did more than 100% of that rep range and now your 100% is 105lbs..... Plus I don't think going to failure on some exercises is bad, like the smaller muscles but I agree something like squats and deads should not go to failure. As long as you have a spotter that is watching pretty close you shouldn't get hurt. When I ment that you will get better at that exercise... If you do pull ups and can only do one it will take a whole lot longer to get two if you don't have a partner that could help you with another, you will just get better at doing one pull up, is that a better answer? Thats why muscles break down and repair because the body has done something that it is not use to and adjust to the new weight but if you keep doing the same weight your body will just stay the same but get better at it.

[eatrainrest]

ok..... 100% changes when your body rebuilds from tearing down. I think we are thinking the same way just saying it different. Say if you did 100 lbs on bench at 10 reps and your body tears down and repairs and the next time you got stronger and can do 105 lbs for 10 reps you did more than 100% of that rep range and now your 100% is 105lbs..... Plus I don't think going to failure on some exercises is bad, like the smaller muscles but I agree something like squats and deads should not go to failure. As long as you have a spotter that is watching pretty close you shouldn't get hurt. When I ment that you will get better at that exercise... If you do pull ups and can only do one it will take a whole lot longer to get two if you don't have a partner that could help you with another, you will just get better at doing one pull up, is that a better answer? Thats why muscles break down and repair because the body has done something that it is not use to and adjust to the new weight but if you keep doing the same weight your body will just stay the same but get better at it.

THIS ABOUT SUMS IT UP...
"the effect of intensity on the muscle tissue can be likened to breaking and repairing a pencil lead; by constantly training beyong failure, you are taking a hammer and shmashing the actin and myosin (pencil lead) amking it very difficult, if not impossible to repair.

do not train beyond failure or performing forced reps, as this may disallow the performance of the same number of reps set to set"

ok so what have we learned?? do not train beyond failure.. instead use the overload training principle. for example, if you are training for strength and size 4-6 rep range will maximize white twitch muscle fibers. by choosing a weight you can do 100% INTENSITY 4 good controlled reps, once you hit 6 reps of that weight advance the weight. never go beyond failure, regardless of what anyone says. the body was not meant to train beyond failure

[nbaylot33]

THIS ABOUT SUMS IT UP...
"the effect of intensity on the muscle tissue can be likened to breaking and repairing a pencil lead; by constantly training beyong failure, you are taking a hammer and shmashing the actin and myosin (pencil lead) amking it very difficult, if not impossible to repair.

do not train beyond failure or performing forced reps, as this may disallow the performance of the same number of reps set to set"

ok so what have we learned?? do not train beyond failure.. instead use the overload training principle. for example, if you are training for strength and size 4-6 rep range will maximize white twitch muscle fibers. by choosing a weight you can do 100% INTENSITY 4 good controlled reps, once you hit 6 reps of that weight advance the weight. never go beyond failure, regardless of what anyone says. the body was not meant to train beyond failure

Never said do it every time but it is useful. And If your talking about fast twitch muscles, explosive training is the best for it (hince sprinters having larger muscles than endurance runners). The body was made for adapting. You can lift beyond your limit of your current abilities that is why you GET stronger not because you keep doing the same weight every time. And training for size is not necessarily 4-6 reps again HST training does not use that and it has been proven to work.

[eatrainrest]

Never said do it every time but it is useful. And If your talking about fast twitch muscles, explosive training is the best for it (hince sprinters having larger muscles than endurance runners). The body was made for adapting. You can lift beyond your limit of your current abilities that is why you GET stronger not because you keep doing the same weight every time. And training for size is not necessarily 4-6 reps again HST training does not use that and it has been proven to work.

these methods as well have been "proven". lets get this straight, in exercise science there is no proven method. with that being said its all preference and how relatively you see results.

white twitch mucsle fibers (type 2b), yes sprintres use alot of white twitch muscle fibers hence, short bursts. white twitch muscle fibers have very few capillaries and because of the absense of this nutrient rich blood supply, they cannot function for very long periods of times as opposed to red fast and red slow fibers.

white twitch are greatly connected with strength gains and are used in lower rep ranges. this has the greatest effect on the myofibril. the controlled damage and repair of the actin and myosin ist he key to optimizing myofibril growth.

who ever stated saying with the same weight? i dont think you understand the overload training principle too well, or what i stated for that matter, "lifting beyond current abilities" is gradually moving up in the weights with proper form. progress will ersult on diet/traning/stress/sleep/etc. the fact is the risk of injury is so much higher and stresses too much. by training past failure you will eventually burn out and an injury is much more likely to occur. so why risk it when its not necessary??

[nbaylot33]

Like I was saying before 100% changes. We are saying the same thing I guess. I also agree that there is no certain way to get the best results. We should just tell him "Do what works" lol. Our definition of failure might be different as well. My failure means If you can get 10 reps at 100 lbs and try for 105 and get 8 but your partner helps you on 2 to get 10 you have gone past failure to inhibit more growth.

[Swifto]

THIS ABOUT SUMS IT UP...
"the effect of intensity on the muscle tissue can be likened to breaking and repairing a pencil lead; by constantly training beyong failure, you are taking a hammer and shmashing the actin and myosin (pencil lead) amking it very difficult, if not impossible to repair.

do not train beyond failure or performing forced reps, as this may disallow the performance of the same number of reps set to set"

ok so what have we learned?? do not train beyond failure.. instead use the overload training principle. for example, if you are training for strength and size 4-6 rep range will maximize white twitch muscle fibers. by choosing a weight you can do 100% INTENSITY 4 good controlled reps, once you hit 6 reps of that weight advance the weight. never go beyond failure, regardless of what anyone says. the body was not meant to train beyond failure

This goes against anyone that has had results from training HIT and going beyond failure. It works as I'm doing it and bodybuilders do it with amazing results.

"the body was not meant to train beyond failure", therfore it adapts, strengthens and grows.

[eatrainrest]

This goes against anyone that has had results from training HIT and going beyond failure. It works as I'm doing it and bodybuilders do it with amazing results.

"the body was not meant to train beyond failure", therfore it adapts, strengthens and grows.

you will undoubtedly see results. will your chances of injury be much greater? yes.

[Swifto]

you will undoubtedly see results. will your chances of injury be much greater? yes.

Based on what? If proper form is kept throughout.