Quote Originally Posted by T-MOS View Post
Ok, Dillon, I am gonna give this ONE shot and if you wanna listen FINE, if not, then do whatever you want to your one and only body

We are not here to STOP you from using steroids, or prohormones.....we are here to make sure you use them correctly so that you don't risk permanent health problems later in life when you need your health cause you don't think about those things now

at 20 your natural hormones are at the highest levels they will be at..... you need to learn how to eat correctly to take advantage of that while you can

Taking steroids and prohormones SHUT DOWN YOUR NATURAL PRODUCTION OF THOSE HIGH LEVELS OF HORMONES because they are supplementing MORE then what your body would produce on its own, so the body SHUTS DOWN production of them

that is what being SHUT DOWN is

PCT= POST CYCLE THERAPY....that is when you take REAL compounds to help jumpstart your natural production again......The problem is that everytime you SHUT DOWN your HPTA, you risk that it either doesn't come back up at all, or doesn't come back up at the same levels as before

Taking Over The Counter PCT compounds is NOT gonna cut it to get you back up and running for one thing,

so YES, you are ABUSING because for one, you don't have a clue how your body works, and what these compounds can and will do to your body
Thats very dangerous to just take stuff when you have no idea of the effects on your body, then you come here for advice, WE give you the proper advice and you cop an attitude with well respected and VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE members who are just trying to help you, we dont' get paid for this , and we dont' know you , so why would we lie to you ?????


NOW, you need to decide if you want to do things correctly or keep on the path you are on and think you know it all already.

Your choice.....I won't waste anymore of yours or my time here... there are members that actually want to learn and do things correctly

good luck
thanks T-MOS for taking the time to explain. now i understand. i just wasn't getting any answers and was doubting the people i was talking to. thats all... but i see why you guys say not to take them now.
to answer some other questions, i weighed 255lbs before the cycle, and 248 after. i lost a lot of fat and gained a lot of strength. my maxes before were: clean:365 squat 450 bench: 235. i have an ass of a black person. my upper body is weak. after the cycle i didn't test my clean max or squat max because i didn't want to hurt my self for making quick gains and i don't have a reason to compete like that anymore bc i workout with old people so i just did lower weight with higher reps.

now i have a question, why is it safer to take steroids OR PH when your older? is it just more likely that the natural production of test will come back?
and thanks again for taking the time, this is helping.