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    Quote Originally Posted by DillonSmash View Post
    thanks T-MOS for taking the time to explain. now i understand. i just wasn't getting any answers and was doubting the people i was talking to. thats all... but i see why you guys say not to take them now.
    to answer some other questions, i weighed 255lbs before the cycle, and 248 after. i lost a lot of fat and gained a lot of strength. my maxes before were: clean:365 squat 450 bench: 235. i have an ass of a black person. my upper body is weak. after the cycle i didn't test my clean max or squat max because i didn't want to hurt my self for making quick gains and i don't have a reason to compete like that anymore bc i workout with old people so i just did lower weight with higher reps.

    now i have a question, why is it safer to take steroids OR PH when your older? is it just more likely that the natural production of test will come back?
    and thanks again for taking the time, this is helping.
    Well, at your age your hormone levels are at their highest levels.
    an older person like myself, has levels that are already on the decline,

    We all stand the same risks when taking steroids. You at your age, may want to have kids someday. and You have many years left of having high levels of hormones

    ME, I have had a kid and want no more, so the threat of sterility doesn't effect me. i am 44 and my natural levels have already declined to the point that if I wanted to go on HRT for life, it would be no problem

    SO if my levels don't come back after a cycle, then its no big deal cause they were already on the decline. YOU, if your levels don't come back to the HIGH levels that they are at, you stand to lose a lot more than I do.

    Also, getting to your Natual Potential and knowing how to maintain that weight Naturally takes years and time to learn. Learning that and knowing how to eat correctly will make steroid use much better and easier when the time is right

    I see lots of younger kids that are taking a lot more gear then would be necessary had they learned how to eat properly. They are depending on the steroids to make them grow instead of the food which is what you need in order to keep gains

    I have learned over many years how to eat to grow, and at 5'11 and 260lbs I require a lot less steroids to make great gains, which saves my body a lot of stress to it by not needing to use a ton of harsh steroids to gain 10-15 lbs

    Hope that helps. You could be making great gains naturally IF you would learn to eat correctly. FOOD is the most amazing supplement you could use right now. I can't even tell you how much difference FOOD makes in making gains and keeping them.

    I use NO over the counter supplements at all, no creatine, no protein shakes,
    and I make great gains !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-MOS View Post
    Well, at your age your hormone levels are at their highest levels.
    an older person like myself, has levels that are already on the decline,

    We all stand the same risks when taking steroids. You at your age, may want to have kids someday. and You have many years left of having high levels of hormones

    ME, I have had a kid and want no more, so the threat of sterility doesn't effect me. i am 44 and my natural levels have already declined to the point that if I wanted to go on HRT for life, it would be no problem

    SO if my levels don't come back after a cycle, then its no big deal cause they were already on the decline. YOU, if your levels don't come back to the HIGH levels that they are at, you stand to lose a lot more than I do.

    Also, getting to your Natual Potential and knowing how to maintain that weight Naturally takes years and time to learn. Learning that and knowing how to eat correctly will make steroid use much better and easier when the time is right

    I see lots of younger kids that are taking a lot more gear then would be necessary had they learned how to eat properly. They are depending on the steroids to make them grow instead of the food which is what you need in order to keep gains

    I have learned over many years how to eat to grow, and at 5'11 and 260lbs I require a lot less steroids to make great gains, which saves my body a lot of stress to it by not needing to use a ton of harsh steroids to gain 10-15 lbs

    Hope that helps. You could be making great gains naturally IF you would learn to eat correctly. FOOD is the most amazing supplement you could use right now. I can't even tell you how much difference FOOD makes in making gains and keeping them.

    I use NO over the counter supplements at all, no creatine, no protein shakes,
    and I make great gains !!
    hmm... yeah i want kids... after im done with the pct ill see what i can do without steroids... but its addicting because it felt like i was plateaued before i took them, my bench was 225 to 235 for a year.... just frustrating, hopefully i can keep my 300 bench... that would be nice. if you have any eating tips id be glad to listen to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DillonSmash View Post
    hmm... yeah i want kids... after im done with the pct ill see what i can do without steroids... but its addicting because it felt like i was plateaued before i took them, my bench was 225 to 235 for a year.... just frustrating, hopefully i can keep my 300 bench... that would be nice. if you have any eating tips id be glad to listen to you.
    you really should review your whole routine just to tweak it as much as possible. anyone who trains should be able to bench their own body weight, you state you were 255 before the cycle but were benching 225-235, something is wrong.

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