peanut butter

[Klimax]

Whats wrong with having fats PWO?

I thought that fat lowers glycemic index of your carb pw. It brings about a lower release of insulin. We don't want it pw, do we?

[C_Bino]

This is for Bino and Collar: You guys are highly respected on the diet board so can you tell me what I'm not getting here regarding fats PWO.

1) I thought that fats are slow digesting, wouldn't that be counter productive PWO if you're already eating a semi-slow digesting meal (egg whites and oats)?

2) So you don't believe in the separation of fats and carbs? This probably wouldn't matter much if bulking but what about if cutting?

I'm assuming were talking about a significant amount of fat also like that in a tbps of peanut butter, not something like 5 fish oil caps.

I dont see the need to separate fats and carbs, it's all about amounts of each and timing of each. If you want to have the absolute best diet it isnt just about the choice of foods but the timing's as well. This is where most people go wrong.

correct me if im wrong but PWO if you are consuming a simple sugar to achieve the insulin spike wouldnt you not want to include fats unless bulking? i know mixing your carbs and fats while bulking will help achieve your best bulking results but while cutiting dont you recommend separating pro/carb and pro/fat meals? I'm not talking minimal fat intake (i consume fish oils throughout the day) but something in excess of say 14g.

I only comsume simple sugar's sometimes after workouts. Usually using slin. And even then I use waxy+BCAA/creatine/glutamine. 30min later use whey and fish oils. I have fat in EVERY meal, absolutely every meal...dieting or bulking.

I thought that fat lowers glycemic index of your carb pw. It brings about a lower release of insulin. We don't want it pw, do we?

Why do you need high GI after workout? To re-fill glycogen? That is a 48 hours process so dont trick yourself into thinking you can refill glycogen with one drink of sugars lol.

You all know that EFA's increase recovery, oxygenate the tissues, allow for greater blood delivery to tissues, facilitate an environment for higher GH output, decrease inflammation and a host of other benefits right?

[kaptainkeezy04]

I dont see the need to separate fats and carbs, it's all about amounts of each and timing of each. If you want to have the absolute best diet it isnt just about the choice of foods but the timing's as well. This is where most people go wrong.





I only comsume simple sugar's sometimes after workouts. Usually using slin. And even then I use waxy+BCAA/creatine/glutamine. 30min later use whey and fish oils. I have fat in EVERY meal, absolutely every meal...dieting or bulking.




Why do you need high GI after workout? To re-fill glycogen? That is a 48 hours process so dont trick yourself into thinking you can refill glycogen with one drink of sugars lol.

You all know that EFA's increase recovery, oxygenate the tissues, allow for greater blood delivery to tissues, facilitate an environment for higher GH output, decrease inflammation and a host of other benefits right?

Preach it, man.

[Klimax]

Why do you need high GI after workout? To re-fill glycogen? That is a 48 hours process so dont trick yourself into thinking you can refill glycogen with one drink of sugars lol.

You all know that EFA's increase recovery, oxygenate the tissues, allow for greater blood delivery to tissues, facilitate an environment for higher GH output, decrease inflammation and a host of other benefits right?[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the advice!

[Undercover]

Why do you need high GI after workout? To re-fill glycogen? That is a 48 hours process so dont trick yourself into thinking you can refill glycogen with one drink of sugars lol.

You all know that EFA's increase recovery, oxygenate the tissues, allow for greater blood delivery to tissues, facilitate an environment for higher GH output, decrease inflammation and a host of other benefits right?

It does help with the recovery though. So what about that?

[Klimax]

Olive oil has a great taste but flax and fish oil are better sources of fat.
With high gi carbs postwo you're more likely to store fat too, because you can't be sure thet your glycogen levels are completly depleted.

[C_Bino]

Olive oil has a great taste but flax and fish oil are better sources of fat.
With high gi carbs postwo you're more likely to store fat too, because you can't be sure thet your glycogen levels are completly depleted.

EVOO is better than flax. I wouldnt use any SEED based sources.

[C_Bino]

It does help with the recovery though. So what about that?

So 50g of sugar will aid in recovery more so than 50g carbs from sweet potato?

How exactly does that work?

[Undercover]

So 50g of sugar will aid in recovery more so than 50g carbs from sweet potato?

How exactly does that work?

Timing matters:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

[C_Bino]

Timing matters:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

What in the name of God's green Earth does that have even the SLIGHTEST bit to do with what I asked you?

I asked how 50g carbs from dextrose was better than 50g carbs from sweet potato PWO.

You put up 2 studies:

1 states that you can gain more muscle taking amino acids PWO rather than in the morning and the other states that people gained more muscle using protein plus carbs after workout as opposed to just carbohydrates alone.

So I gather one of two things from this...

You either did not read at all what I wrote.

or

You just have absolutely no clue what you`re talking about.

[collar]

What in the name of God's green Earth does that have even the SLIGHTEST bit to do with what I asked you?

I asked how 50g carbs from dextrose was better than 50g carbs from sweet potato PWO.

You put up 2 studies:

1 states that you can gain more muscle taking amino acids PWO rather than in the morning and the other states that people gained more muscle using protein plus carbs after workout as opposed to just carbohydrates alone.

So I gather one of two things from this...

You either did not read at all what I wrote.

or

You just have absolutely no clue what you`re talking about i pick this one.

hahaha..........

[Undercover]

What in the name of God's green Earth does that have even the SLIGHTEST bit to do with what I asked you?

I asked how 50g carbs from dextrose was better than 50g carbs from sweet potato PWO.

You put up 2 studies:

1 states that you can gain more muscle taking amino acids PWO rather than in the morning and the other states that people gained more muscle using protein plus carbs after workout as opposed to just carbohydrates alone.

So I gather one of two things from this...

You either did not read at all what I wrote.

or

You just have absolutely no clue what you`re talking about.

What? The first study has nothing to do with what you just said. You obviously didn't read it well.

The purpose of the first study was "to examine the effects of supplement timing compared with supplementation in the hours not close to the workout on muscle-fiber hypertrophy, strength, and body composition during a 10-wk RE program"

Wouldn't 50 g of dextrose digest faster than 50 g of sweet potatoe? and thus be used by the body earlier? That was my point.

Now the second study was meant for collar. I just forgot to quote him. He mentioned before that he doesn't consume simple sugars PWO. The second study shows that even a minimal dose of whey with simple sugars was able to stimulate a rise in MPS.

No need to get on your high horses, I'm not trying to lecture you. I'm looking for answers here. I posted the studies because there are tons of data supporting the role of simple sugars PWO. So really any kind of scientific explanation as to why you're both against the notion would be appreciated.