19-NOR & Nolva, bad idea, but why?

[Knockout_Power]

^^ Swifto knows his stuff.

Just use the search function next time KP.

I did a bunch of searching but lots of people argued each point. Who do you listen to?

[D7M]

I did a bunch of searching but lots of people argued each point. Who do you listen to?

self-experimentation.

seriously.

I've personally used nolva with deca and had no problems.

But there are still much better options out there than to use nolva on cycle.

so if someone has there panties that much in a bunch about it,

run aromasin or letro.

[Knockout_Power]

run aromasin or letro.

thats interesting, never heard the aromasin during cycle. I like that idea and have lots of it.

The main reason I asked is that I get a lot of messages about this kind of stuff and have no experience with it or the proper knowledge to be advising others, so I ask the experts and direct others to the post =)

[Swifto]

I did a bunch of searching but lots of people argued each point. Who do you listen to?

Didnt I give a clear enough explanation?

Tamoxifen will help Deca or Tren induced gyno by down regulating both the ER and PgR in breast tissue. It will do nothing for PRL gyno though. That is where Prami or Caber come in.

[Knockout_Power]

Didnt I give a clear enough explanation?

Tamoxifen will help Deca or Tren induced gyno by down regulating both the ER and PgR in breast tissue. It will do nothing for PRL gyno though. That is where Prami or Caber come in.

Yes you did and I thank you. I was just pointing out than when someone does research, the answers are not always clear cut cause a bunch of people use wrong info and confuse others.

But thank you for clearing up this myth.

[roid_rage]

Didnt I give a clear enough explanation?

Tamoxifen will help Deca or Tren induced gyno by down regulating both the ER and PgR in breast tissue. It will do nothing for PRL gyno though. That is where Prami or Caber come in.

Not really man, I thought Deca and Tren gyno were PRL (I guess thats stands for prolactin) induced gyno... Then you say tamoxifen will help Deca or Tren gyno? and then you say it wont do for PRL gyno.. im kind of lost here... I can understand Tren, if you are using Test, then the strogens levels are going to be pretty high, therefore you can get some "test induced gyno" (I dont know how to put it in english, but I think you'll get my point), but deca? would you please explain it a little bet better... thanx.

[Swifto]

Not really man, I thought Deca and Tren gyno were PRL (I guess thats stands for prolactin) induced gyno... Then you say tamoxifen will help Deca or Tren gyno? and then you say it wont do for PRL gyno.. im kind of lost here... I can understand Tren, if you are using Test, then the strogens levels are going to be pretty high, therefore you can get some "test induced gyno" (I dont know how to put it in english, but I think you'll get my point), but deca? would you please explain it a little bet better... thanx.

No, I stated Tamoxifen will down regulate the progesterone receptor in breast tissue. Some "guru's" state Tamoxifen will up regulate the progesterone receptor and cause or lead to gyno. By either worsening estrogenic gyno or by itself. They, therfore, assume Tamoxifen CANT be used with Deca or Tren, but this is false.

I have never seen a case of gyno solely caused by PgR. It seems impossible as the PgR is synthesized by the ER (Estrogen Receptor).

Deca and Tren will both elevate PRL (Prolactin) levels (although, again debatable). Therfore, for PRL related sides, such as loss of labido, gyno and lactation (although not only from PRL), Caber, Prami or Dostinex need to be used.

If that doesnt explain it nothing will. And...To be honest, I'm tired of explaining things over and over just for YOUR benifit, such as my HCG thread.

[JK-87]

Didnt I give a clear enough explanation?

Tamoxifen will help Deca or Tren induced gyno by down regulating both the ER and PgR in breast tissue. It will do nothing for PRL gyno though. That is where Prami or Caber come in.

what other things can you use to keep your libido up other than caber (if you can not get hold of it)?

[Swifto]

what other things can you use to keep your libido up other than caber (if you can not get hold of it)?

Using Cabergoline when using 19-Nor's doesnt have much to do with keeping labido really. It has more to do with PRL related gyno.

Using some sort of testosterone preparation when using 19-Nor's is paramount IMHO.

[1bigun11]

Using Cabergoline when using 19-Nor's doesnt have much to do with keeping labido really. It has more to do with PRL related gyno.

Using some sort of testosterone preparation when using 19-Nor's is paramount IMHO.

Pramipexole works on prolactin/19nor gyno symptoms and also boosts libido and hgh production. It is also cheaper than caber.

You definitely should have a strong testosterone base when using any 19nor. Some suggest that you run twice as much test as deca or tren.

[MR10X]

Pramipexole works on prolactin/19nor gyno symptoms and also boosts libido and hgh production. It is also cheaper than caber.

You definitely should have a strong testosterone base when using any 19nor. Some suggest that you run twice as much test as deca or tren.

I am using Tren A 75mg and Test Suspension 50mg ED and thats plenty of test,i am not having any test related issues with that amount,my sex drive is great.I wanted it to be a cycle high in Tren and not so much test since the Tren is much stronger than test. So far this has been the best combination i have used.

[MR10X]

I did a bunch of searching but lots of people argued each point. Who do you listen to?

I am using Nolvadex and Prami with Tren A and Test suspension right now,Its working great for me.I am taking the Nolvadex for the test sides.I chose not to use an AI because i didnt want to completely kill my estrogen,the last time i did that i had serious sexual related issues.