Who believes in evolution?

[Flagg]

BOLD

I believe that god made every part of life, man, and creation.

He did not censor himself at the least...thats the beauty of it....you are free to do what you want, when you want...some people believe in fact, some people feel it is deeper than that...its not for you to condem or judge...

I agree religion is a tough pill to swallow...but at the least one could agree that it is also largly responsible for man creating law to abide by...law that you probably abide by.

Every religion that believes in a god has a set of core values...christianity-10 commandments...etc...is fine

I believe no religion is wrong as long as it follows a set of core values

Your religion just so happens to be science...and there is nothing wrong with that...your core values...law

I could go on and on and no matter what i type you will tell me its absurde...and that is fine...you believe what you believe...the big bang theory sounds great...i just cant bring myself to believe that there was no divine intervention...i mean...what was befor the big bang, what caused it? What caused whatever was befor that...and so on...

anyway

Science is NOT A RELIGION. Science is a method, a procedure used to govern the facts and make further discoveries. And no religion is wrong? Funny how most of them state that you should denounce the others. I know more about the three Abrahamic religions than you do, and what I see is not only something man made but something masculine made, the utter subjugation of women, violence and bloodshed, I mean if you think the story of Isaac is one of beauty you need your head examined. Circumsition, killing heretics, claiming someone else is evil because they don't follow your ****ed up doctrine, I could go on and on.

And tell me, what is so good about Heaven? It sounds like a ****ing celestial North Korea where you have to pray to the leader from dawn till dusk. Sounds just like paradise to me..

People that think there had to be devine intervention are simply incapable of thinking outside the box.

EDIT: I would be happy to actually debate the subject rather than let it simmer into who's right and who isn't, but I can find far more proof and evidence for things happening naturally in the world and universe, including the creation of life on earth than you can for the existence of God. All you have is "faith".

[Bull_Nuts]

EVERY point you have made is false

Science is NOT A RELIGIONnot literally you jackass. Science is a method, a procedure used to govern the facts and make further discoveries. And no religion is wrong? Funny how most of them state that you should denounce the othersif you read my post you would see that I only referred to the peacefull ones. I know more about the three Abrahamic religions than you do, and what I see is not only something man made but something masculine made, the utter subjugation of women, violence and bloodshed, I mean if you think the story of Isaac is one of beauty you need your head examined. Circumsition, killing heretics, claiming someone else is evil because they don't follow your ****ed up doctrine, I could go on and on.

And tell me, what is so good about Heaven? It sounds like a ****ing celestial North Korea where you have to pray to the leader from dawn till dusk. Sounds just like paradise to me..you will be doing that here very soon

People that think there had to be devine intervention are simply incapable of thinking outside the box.so you have proven the big bang "theory"???

EDIT: I would be happy to actually debate the subject rather than let it simmer into who's right and who isn't, but I can find far more proof and evidence for things happening naturally in the world and universe, including the creation of life on earth than you can for the existence of Godonce again....since you know so damn much about religion then you would realize it is FAITH BASED!!!. All you have is "faith"untrue...i believe in science...i believe in fact...i find it extremely interesting...i just dont use it to denounce my faith in a creator.

Will your science comfort you in this time of anger???

[BJJ]

EVERY point you have made is false




Will your science comfort you in this time of anger???

Comfort?
That's why religions succeeded in dominating the entire, or almost, human race.
Because people needed to be comforted...

[Flagg]

EVERY point you have made is false




Will your science comfort you in this time of anger???

No, Science is NOT a religion. Literally, it is not one. Religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth. (from wikipedia). Science does not resemble that in any way, shape or form.

Name me ONE PEACEFUL RELIGION. Name one religion that exists today that hasn't persecuted others throughout history, that hasn't made slaves and playthings of women, that hasn't murdered. Name me one.

Heaven is a myth.

Ahh, so you concede that you think the Big Bang is real? Even Science isn't 100% convinced on the Big Bang theory, but science, unlike religion, is an open method. Its prepared to evolve, to find other possibilities. Not one absolute.

You can keep your faith. I'll trust in science to save my relatives or loved ones from dying of cancer in the future. Praying wont do much for them and you know it.

When im angry, I dont look to a make believe figure in the sky as a security blanket. I deal with it like a man and move on.

["Maximus"]

No, Science is NOT a religion. Literally, it is not one. Religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth. (from wikipedia). Science does not resemble that in any way, shape or form.

Name me ONE PEACEFUL RELIGION. Name one religion that exists today that hasn't persecuted others throughout history, that hasn't made slaves and playthings of women, that hasn't murdered. Name me one.

Heaven is a myth.

Ahh, so you concede that you think the Big Bang is real? Even Science isn't 100% convinced on the Big Bang theory, but science, unlike religion, is an open method. Its prepared to evolve, to find other possibilities. Not one absolute.

You can keep your faith. I'll trust in science to save my relatives or loved ones from dying of cancer in the future. Praying wont do much for them and you know it.

When im angry, I dont look to a make believe figure in the sky as a security blanket. I deal with it like a man and move on.

Do you really want an answer for this? It seems like you are more interested in proving a point than honestly reason/find an answer to your questions rather..

Look, I won't get in the "Science vs. Religion" bandwagon debate because it won't serve anyone of us of no good.. I am an science bound guy.. I am an Engineer.. And I had to go through physics, math, and chemistry and I have to agree with others here on the complexity, beauty, and intelligence found on every living thing.. It resembles among other things, the love and intelligence of someone who obviously is GREATER than all the minds that have lived through history or are alive in these days, put together..

Even on my field, we look up to nature to better our current designs or plain simply imitate the intelligent design found in nature.. And no, this is not about promoting creationism either!

But if you really want to find an answer to your questions...

Just do a search on WWI and Religion and WWII and Nazi's concentration camps... And no, this is not about/has nothing to do with the Jews that unjustly died and were persecuted at the hands of Nazi Hitler!

[Flagg]

Do you really want an answer for this? It seems like you are more interested in proving a point than honestly reason/find an answer to your questions rather..

Look, I won't get in the "Science vs. Religion" bandwagon debate because it won't serve anyone of us of no good.. I am an science bound guy.. I am an Engineer.. And I had to go through physics, math, and chemistry and I have to agree with others here on the complexity, beauty, and intelligence that is the resemblance of someone who obviously is GREATER than all the minds that have lived through history or are alive in these days, put together..

Even on my field, we look up to nature to better our current designs or plain simply imitate the intelligent design found in nature.. And no, this is not about promoting creationism either!

But if you really want to find an answer to your questions...

Just do a search on WWI and Religion and WWII and Nazi's concentration camps... And no, this is not about/has nothing to do with the Jews that unjustly died and were persecuted at the hands of Nazi Hitler!

This debate just got Godwin'd:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

There's nothing wrong with looking to nature to help our technology, did not the idea of kevlar come from spiders/silkworms and their webs? I don't see what Nature has to do with creationsim, that's more to do with Biology, ecology and evolution.

Religion is dangerous in my opinion. Radical islam today is a perfect example of the extreme form of this. Can you imagine radical christian thinking similiar to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition today? Christianity would have raised every heretical country to the ground by now.

[MuscleScience]

This debate just got Godwin'd:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

There's nothing wrong with looking to nature to help our technology, did not the idea of kevlar come from spiders/silkworms and their webs? I don't see what Nature has to do with creationsim, that's more to do with Biology, ecology and evolution.

Religion is dangerous in my opinion. Radical islam today is a perfect example of the extreme form of this. Can you imagine radical christian thinking similiar to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition today? Christianity would have raised every heretical country to the ground by now.

Atheism is just as dangerous. Stalin practically destroyed all Russian religious monuments. Stalin put people in concentration camps, Stalin deported and uprooted ethinic minorities by the millions to Siberia, Stalin may have killed as many people as Hitler according to some historians. Mao in China, again Like Stalin Purged religion from society. Mao killed un-told amounts of people in his madness.

The point is that religion itself isnt evil or dangerous. It is the people who have hatred in their hearts that are dangerous.

["Maximus"]

This debate just got Godwin'd:
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

There's nothing wrong with looking to nature to help our technology, did not the idea of kevlar come from spiders/silkworms and their webs? I don't see what Nature has to do with creationsim, that's more to do with Biology, ecology and evolution.

Religion is dangerous in my opinion. Radical islam today is a perfect example of the extreme form of this. Can you imagine radical christian thinking similiar to the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition today? Christianity would have raised every heretical country to the ground by now.

.. Godwind! I didn't know about that..

Well, I made reference to that subject as a particular example of human being's innate nature to love each other in the worst of circumstances.. Something that evolution alone by itself, in my personal opinion could have not done so! ..In the worst of the worst circumstances that any human being can be put to the test.. these men and women, stood against fighting each other and violence, world wide.. They were persecuted, and still are persecuted in some parts/territories of the world today... However, they are not known for their persecution; instead they are known for their neutral, peace seeking people all around the world today, as it was back then, which characterize them as a non-violent, peace seeking religion.

But I get your point... so steering the conversation to the main point here, I cannot conceive in my imperfect, restricted to 3% of its entire capacity brain/mind, how evolution can put together such intelligence and complexity in motion throughout ALL living things!

Where do you think synthetic kevlar come from.. thin air? You need the right elements --again, which man cannot create by himself-- and combine them in mega million dollar facility to create or IMITATE at its best, what a non-costly and environment-friendly insignifant insect can produce by itself without the need for expensive equipment and complex labs.

And I completely agree with you.. Religion is dangerous when those in a leadership position in ANY given denomination, do not follow nor do/practice what they preach.. setting a bad example for the crowd! You will never see an apple tree producing bananas nor you'll never harvest pineapples from a vineyard!

Actions, not words, speak louder than anything else!

[Flagg]

.. Godwind! I didn't know about that..

Well, I made reference to that subject as a particular example of human being's innate nature to love each other in the worst of circumstances.. Something that evolution alone by itself, in my personal opinion could have not done so! ..In the worst of the worst circumstances that any human being can be put to the test.. these men and women, stood against fighting each other and violence, world wide.. They were persecuted, and still are persecuted in some parts/territories of the world today... However, they are not known for their persecution; instead they are known for their neutral, peace seeking people all around the world today, as it was back then, which characterize them as a non-violent, peace seeking religion.

But I get your point... so steering the conversation to the main point here, I cannot conceive in my imperfect, restricted to 3% of its entire capacity brain/mind, how evolution can put together such intelligence and complexity in motion throughout ALL living things!

Where do you think synthetic kevlar come from.. thin air? You need the right elements --again, which man cannot create by himself-- and combine them in mega million dollar facility to create or IMITATE at its best, what a non-costly and environment-friendly insignifant insect can produce by itself without the need for expensive equipment and complex labs.

And I completely agree with you.. Religion is dangerous when those in a leadership position in ANY given denomination, do not follow nor do/practice what they preach.. setting a bad example for the crowd! You will never see an apple tree producing bananas nor you'll never harvest pineapples from a vineyard!

Actions, not words, speak louder than anything else!

Yeah, I don't mean to come off as patronising or rude, Godwins Law is a principle that suggests that any debate, one based on something as simple as "what do you prefer: Coke or Pepsi" will eventually lead to WW II Nazism.

Well naturally Kevlar is produced using certain elements and chemistry. I think what baffles everyone, and religious and non religious people will surely all agree, is no one knows, or will ever know, what came first. Its the ultimate Chicken and the Egg question. I can say the Universe has always existed, but I would be countered by "well something must have created it, so surely it was God"...I could argue then "Where did God come from before the Universe, what was there before the Universe and how did he come into being?", it's just a vicious circle.

Some things are probably just never going to be known or answered.

[BJJ]

.. Godwind! I didn't know about that..

Well, I made reference to that subject as a particular example of human being's innate nature to love each other in the worst of circumstances.. Something that evolution alone by itself, in my personal opinion could have not done so! ..In the worst of the worst circumstances that any human being can be put to the test.. these men and women, stood against fighting each other and violence, world wide.. They were persecuted, and still are persecuted in some parts/territories of the world today... However, they are not known for their persecution; instead they are known for their neutral, peace seeking people all around the world today, as it was back then, which characterize them as a non-violent, peace seeking religion.

But I get your point... so steering the conversation to the main point here, I cannot conceive in my imperfect, restricted to 3% of its entire capacity brain/mind, how evolution can put together such intelligence and complexity in motion throughout ALL living things!

Where do you think synthetic kevlar come from.. thin air? You need the right elements --again, which man cannot create by himself-- and combine them in mega million dollar facility to create or IMITATE at its best, what a non-costly and environment-friendly insignifant insect can produce by itself without the need for expensive equipment and complex labs.

And I completely agree with you.. Religion is dangerous when those in a leadership position in ANY given denomination, do not follow nor do/practice what they preach.. setting a bad example for the crowd! You will never see an apple tree producing bananas nor you'll never harvest pineapples from a vineyard!

Actions, not words, speak louder than anything else!

Remember you wote that.

[Bull_Nuts]

No, Science is NOT a religionAGAIN...i was not being literal. Literally, it is not oneYes I said that. Religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth. (from wikipedia). Science does not resemble that in any way, shape or form.All I was trying to express is that it is YOUR way of understanding your your life, meaning and all of existance

Name me ONE PEACEFUL RELIGIONTrue religion...christianity anyway...from the teachings of Jesus Christ is indeed peacefull...what man has done with it is what makes it un-peacefull . Name one religion that exists today that hasn't persecuted others throughout history, that hasn't made slaves and playthings of women, that hasn't murdered. Name me one.

Heaven is a myth.proove it science boy!

Ahh, so you concede that you think the Big Bang is real? Um....If I have faith that in god...and I feel god created science...wouldn't i then believe science is real??? ugh YEA! You are probably asking yourself how could i remotely believe that with the whole adam and eve thing...well...much of the bible, I believe, is a metaphor...obviously...what else could it be my incestuous brotherEven Science isn't 100% convinced on the Big Bang theory, but science, unlike religion, is an open methodOk then...Im confused....isn't your argument that science is absolute? Irregardless of the mechanism of proof? . Its prepared to evolveThough I love science...I am not an expert by any stretch...BUT...it seems to me anyway that every single thing in this world, in this galaxy, in this universe, infinity and beyond is what it is ALREADY...how, why or what humans have done to discover it and/or understand it is the only "open method" , to find other possibilities. Not one absolute.Science IS absolute...see definition

You can keep your faith. I'll trust in science to save my relatives or loved ones from dying of cancer in the future. I too will trust in science(afterall...I am in the healthcare industry) Praying wont do much for them and you know it.And what happens when science can't save you?

When im angry, I dont look to a make believe figure in the sky as a security blanket. I deal with it like a man and move on.So im not a man for believing in god? And who ever said god was a figure in the "sky"???

Bold....

You question me on my knowledge of religion and insinuate that I am ignorant...I do not claim to have extensive knowledge in theology or science...my knowledge is only to the extent of my own curious studies and findings...I try to take the perspective of practicality

It amuses me how you support all of your scientific knowledge with childish nonsensical insults ...i mean...lets be realistic and rational...since that falls under your religion,oops, i mean science...

Main Entry: sci·ence
Pronunciation: \ˈsī-ən(t)s\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin scientia, from scient-, sciens having knowledge, from present participle of scire to know; perhaps akin to Sanskrit chyati he cuts off, Latin scindere to split — more at shed
Date: 14th century
1 : the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding
2 a : a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study <the science of theology> b : something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge <have it down to a science>
3 a : knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b : such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : natural science
4 : a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific laws <cooking is both a science and an art>
5 capitalized : christian science