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    Quote Originally Posted by sickpuppydawg View Post
    Just Sust 500mg for 10 weeks? I think i should add D'bol for the initial thrust.
    DAMN...Deca cost me the most out of the entire stack.

    PCT remains the same here?
    would b if you want ideal, shoot sust x2 a week, 3 days apart, so for instance, 250 on mon and 250 on thurs, take the dbol, wat ppl mean by just using test on its own is to see how you react, if you use mre than one compound 1st time out you wont knw wer any potiental sides are coming from. 1st cycle, sust. 2nd cycle, sust +dbol, 3rd sust, deca and dbol. get my drift?

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    would b if you want ideal, shoot sust x2 a week, 3 days apart, so for instance, 250 on mon and 250 on thurs, take the dbol, wat ppl mean by just using test on its own is to see how you react, if you use mre than one compound 1st time out you wont knw wer any potiental sides are coming from. 1st cycle, sust. 2nd cycle, sust +dbol, 3rd sust, deca and dbol. get my drift?
    LUCID! #WIN

    okay...how far apart should one run the cycles? I know its a pointless question right now, but i ask since depending on the answer i shall have to dispose off the Deca or the D'bol if they have to be spaced far and wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by declan11 View Post
    would b if you want ideal, shoot sust x2 a week, 3 days apart, so for instance, 250 on mon and 250 on thurs, take the dbol, wat ppl mean by just using test on its own is to see how you react, if you use mre than one compound 1st time out you wont knw wer any potiental sides are coming from. 1st cycle, sust. 2nd cycle, sust +dbol, 3rd sust, deca and dbol. Get my drift?
    great advice..

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    Quote Originally Posted by iron minded View Post
    great advice..
    This is a first cycle..so will go for test only.

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    IMO starting your first cycle at same time with diet is a big mistake.

    Kcal count is nice on chart, but in reality everyone is different and maybe you will discover that your new diet will add you fat or (most problably) won't add weight. and it's important to know this before and without AAS on body cause after you end your cycle (let's say it worked good), diet is the only thing you will have (provided training routine is ok) to keep the results (or part of the results).

    if you don't "test" your diet first and without AAS, you will end up losing all what you gained while trying to fix it during PCT.

    So an advice:
    1) find a diet that you can keep for the whole year (and not just for the duration of the cycle)
    2) try it without AAS and see how much weight you gain with that...then tune it. don't start AAS as long as you haven't found a diet which makes you gain 2-3 kg/month (without adding fat) otheriwse, 4 months from end of your cycle, you will be as now regardless of what you achieved on cycle
    3) if it's your first cycle, i believe your gear is an overkill. you are light (67kg is really a few) and you have fresh receptors. Hell, just 30mg dbol will boost you big time (if diet is good). Personally i would just go dbol (20mg, eventually increasing it if you don't see results but you will see many results) + some test (300mg/week for long ester). you will gain a lot if you train and eat right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaigab View Post
    IMO starting your first cycle at same time with diet is a big mistake.

    Kcal count is nice on chart, but in reality everyone is different and maybe you will discover that your new diet will add you fat or (most problably) won't add weight. and it's important to know this before and without AAS on body cause after you end your cycle (let's say it worked good), diet is the only thing you will have (provided training routine is ok) to keep the results (or part of the results).

    if you don't "test" your diet first and without AAS, you will end up losing all what you gained while trying to fix it during PCT.

    So an advice:
    1) find a diet that you can keep for the whole year (and not just for the duration of the cycle)
    2) try it without AAS and see how much weight you gain with that...then tune it. don't start AAS as long as you haven't found a diet which makes you gain 2-3 kg/month (without adding fat) otheriwse, 4 months from end of your cycle, you will be as now regardless of what you achieved on cycle
    3) if it's your first cycle, i believe your gear is an overkill. you are light (67kg is really a few) and you have fresh receptors. Hell, just 30mg dbol will boost you big time (if diet is good). Personally i would just go dbol (20mg, eventually increasing it if you don't see results but you will see many results) + some test (300mg/week for long ester). you will gain a lot if you train and eat right.
    If i were gaining 2-3 kgs a month of lean mass...do you even think i would have thought of this?
    I gain...but along with a lot of fat. Hence.

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