Can you be addicted to steroids?

[Dizz28]

Ya Kratos, you must be battin for the LE team. We knew it all along....

[CRACKER]

I think the steroids went to your brain man.

Maybe I thought it was an interesting topic. Or that it's a good idea to keep our goals in check, and respect the drugs we are using.

^^^fvckin couldnt agree more well said kratos

[Someguy123]

i dont think anybody here, would really believe that steroid use was free of negative effects. it all comes down, to if the juice is worth the squeeze. personally, if i cut 20 years off my life, thats not a big deal. the last 20 years are the sh!tty ones anyway. and the day someone needs to wipe my ass for me, they can put a bullet in me too.

as for all the bodybuilders dying. you gotta remember that, that is not from steroid use. if it is from steroids at all, its from steroid ABUSE. but my opinion, is that the contest prep is far worse for your body, than the steroid use is. your body is not designed to run at such low body fat, simultaneously being dehydrated, and not to mention being borderline hypoglycemic at the same time. like really, what else would you expect to happen, to a person that does this to their body on a regular basis??

with my view on addictions, they are basically all mental addictions. the reason any addict cant quit. is because they dont have the mental toughness, to stick out the withdrawl symptoms. personally, im pretty sure i could shoot heroine for a month straight, and then just stop cold turkey. it would suck, and i would feel like crap for awhile. but my mind has the ability to endure the hard times, for the benefits in the long term. whereas an addict, would just rather cop out and live for the short term.

[ranging1]

Yeah, hopefully you end up like that guy...as long as you go into understanding you could also end up like one of these guys.

Sonny Schmidt died at 46
> Scott Klein died at 30
> Ron Teufel died at 45
> Dan Duchaine died at 48
> Mohammed Benaziza died at 28
> Andreas Munzer died at 30
> Mike Mentzer died at 49
> Ray Mentzer died at 47
> Don Ross died at 55
> Dr. John Tristany died
> Don Peters died
> Ray Raridon died
> Arnold Schwarzenegger (heart problems)
> Don Long (kidney failure)
> Tom Prince (kidney failure)
> Flex Wheeler (kidney transplant)
> Ed Corney (stroke)
> Boyer Coe (heart)
> Danny Padilla (heart)
> Pete Grymkowski (heart)
> Lyle Alzado died at 42
> Curt Hennig died at 44
> Davey Boy Smith died at 39
> Louie "Spicolli" Mucciolo died at 27
> Ravishing Rick Rude died at 40
> Brian Pillman died at 35
> 62 Finnish power-lifters suspected of using steroids died at a rate five times higher than average.

not in any way a complete list
Gary Himing IFBB pro died on stage this year
Anthony D'Arezzo died in his hotel room at 44

though some of these guys died of conditions not completely related to steroids, u have to admit the age they all died at does show a correlation between steroid usage

i mean u can say they may have died from other things, however they all have died at reasonably low averaged age, despite steroids not being proven to cause this directly, having them ALL die at a young age does raise suspicion and does make u think steroids did have some effect considering they ALL were users

[elfin1mf]

Reading this thread really has changed me guys, thank you. I always thought that I would work my way up to larger doses of roids because I am aware they will become less effective the more I use them even with proper time off. I now am thinking that I do not care anymore and that small doses for the rest of my time bb is fine for me. I do not need to be huge to enjoy this lifestyle. And the longer I can enjoy this lifestyle the better.

[MuscleScience]

Anybody notice the name Pope on the list. He is the leading anti-steroid researcher or at least one of the most famous out of Harvard U.

From what I have read in the literature there is very little evidence of physiological dependency developing, the body of research really does not lead one to believe otherwise at this point. I think its more of a psychological effect more than anything. I mean the AMA even said that AAS didnt meet the criteria to be labeled a scheduled drug. One of those criteria set forth was physiological dependency or risk of.

[bjpennnn]

i dont think anybody here, would really believe that steroid use was free of negative effects. it all comes down, to if the juice is worth the squeeze. personally, if i cut 20 years off my life, thats not a big deal. the last 20 years are the sh!tty ones anyway. and the day someone needs to wipe my ass for me, they can put a bullet in me too.

as for all the bodybuilders dying. you gotta remember that, that is not from steroid use. if it is from steroids at all, its from steroid ABUSE. but my opinion, is that the contest prep is far worse for your body, than the steroid use is. your body is not designed to run at such low body fat, simultaneously being dehydrated, and not to mention being borderline hypoglycemic at the same time. like really, what else would you expect to happen, to a person that does this to their body on a regular basis??

with my view on addictions, they are basically all mental addictions. the reason any addict cant quit. is because they dont have the mental toughness, to stick out the withdrawl symptoms. personally, im pretty sure i could shoot heroine for a month straight, and then just stop cold turkey. it would suck, and i would feel like crap for awhile. but my mind has the ability to endure the hard times, for the benefits in the long term. whereas an addict, would just rather cop out and live for the short term.

i want to see you stick a needle in your arm everyday then quit cold turkey. those are soem pretty big words my friend unless you can say you have done this yourself. Your body actually physically becomes dependent on such drugs when you wake up it feels like the flu shitting your pants and throwing up cant eat sleep for days.

i understand what your saying but your wrong.

[BJJ]

Why would law enforcement need this study to justify further enforcement when its already got Kratos, Chucky and BJJ preaching the dangers of steroids, which will be used politically (and religiously) to justify further enforcement? If you want freedom of choice in this area, emphasize safety. And why would someone who is convinced they can't be used safely join a board like this unless they have ulterior motives? Or maybe Kratos, Chucky and BJJ welcome further enforcement. Maybe that's their point?

Or maybe Kratos' point in starting this thread was that he just wanted to stir the pot and get an argument/discussion started, and that no matter what anyone posts he's going to take the opposite side.

All I've got is my experience, which tells me the dangers of steriod use are grossly over-exagerated. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon. Hell my doctor wrote the presccription.

cheers.

Man, obviously you do not know me at all...

...but it has been a pleasure to KNOW You.

[BJJ]

aren't we all gonna die 12-21-12, anyway

...

[chuckt12345]

Why would law enforcement need this study to justify further enforcement when its already got Kratos, Chucky and BJJ preaching the dangers of steroids, which will be used politically (and religiously) to justify further enforcement? If you want freedom of choice in this area, emphasize safety. And why would someone who is convinced they can't be used safely join a board like this unless they have ulterior motives? Or maybe Kratos, Chucky and BJJ welcome further enforcement. Maybe that's their point?

Or maybe Kratos' point in starting this thread was that he just wanted to stir the pot and get an argument/discussion started, and that no matter what anyone posts he's going to take the opposite side.

All I've got is my experience, which tells me the dangers of steriod use are grossly over-exagerated. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon. Hell my doctor wrote the presccription.

cheers.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night, Ignorance is bliss.

Do i feel AAS is grossly exagerated in the media? Of course and everyone on here will agree but thats not saying were oblivious to the fact there may be long term dangers when chronically using this drug.
Hey guess what i love blow as well and can use that safely but do i think its good for me if i would abuse it long term?

[1bigun11]

I think the steroids went to your brain man.

Maybe I thought it was an interesting topic. Or that it's a good idea to keep our goals in check, and respect the drugs we are using.

I think its great to respect the drugs you are using. Based on my experience they can be used safely. When I pointed out earlier in the thread that I thought they could be used safely, you, BJJ and Chucky disagreed. Now you are flip flopping on it and saying maybe they can be.

I think steroids and studies have gone to your head. I prefer to listen to people with experience. And I know you dont get Thirty-Two Thousand (32,000) posts on a board like this by lifting weights and spending your time in the gym.

[jcosley]

VERY ADDICTING,,, the proof is on this forum

I agree. I told my friend before I even started that "I just want to try one cycle to see what it's like". Now with all the awesome progress I made during it...I don't think I can not do another one. I actually have most of my supplies and ideas ready for my next one.

[chuckt12345]

i thnk testesterone can be used safely long term at correct TRT doses. What exactly do you run bigun?

[BJJ]

I think its great to respect the drugs you are using. Based on my experience they can be used safely. When I pointed out earlier in the thread that I thought they could be used safely, you, BJJ and Chucky disagreed. Now you are flip flopping on it and saying maybe they can be.

I think steroids and studies have gone to your head. I prefer to listen to people with experience. And I know you dont get Thirty-Two Thousand (32,000) posts on a board like this by lifting weights and spending your time in the gym.

OOOOOOOH!
Tha was a heavy one.

[Kratos]

I think its great to respect the drugs you are using. Based on my experience they can be used safely. When I pointed out earlier in the thread that I thought they could be used safely, you, BJJ and Chucky disagreed. Now you are flip flopping on it and saying maybe they can be.

I think steroids and studies have gone to your head. I prefer to listen to people with experience. And I know you dont get Thirty-Two Thousand (32,000) posts on a board like this by lifting weights and spending your time in the gym.

Listen to people with experience...how does that make any sense? Because you can somehow become good at doing steroids. Use = knowledge? How about learning from people who are educated on the subject or educating yourself, and education comes from reading.

I hate to tell you but your experience doesn't mean anything. How many people know lifetime smokers live to be 90? Should I ask them about their experience, and how to safely smoke? It's all about the studies and percentages to figure these things out.

Steroids and studies have gone to my head??? I guess I may be one of the few people who actually enjoys reading clinical studies. Not just on steroids but many subjects. And I have to keep up on them as part of my job. Also, I had a lot of free time at work, hence the high post count, and half of them were rolled onto my post counter by admin...shhhh

As for my physique, I'm happy with how I look. I'm no competitive bodybuilder and many people can lift more weight then me. Weightlifting is not my life, and I have several other hobbies. 6'3'' 251 pounds at 13% bf.

Clearly you disagree. But you keep trying to make it personal, like an alchy defending his bottle. I always wondered why they had to put right on the pack, that cigarettes were bad for you back when I was a kid. My mom told me it's for the people who don't know they're bad for you. Who the heck would think they weren't bad for you with all the evidence out there? Thankyou, now I understand why.

[dec11]

i personally think tht the notion of steroids being addictive is bollocks, ive used worse rec drugs for years in the past and no, roids def are not addictive

[Kratos]

i personally think tht the notion of steroids being addictive is bollocks, ive used worse rec drugs for years in the past and no, roids def are not addictive

but you still use steroids, so how does that statement make sense?

[Flagg]

Ive never used steroids so I cant speak from experience but surely people are addicted to the gains and achievments that it brings, rather than the chemical addiction it brings.

I don't know, do steroids, GH have chemically addictive properties to them? If anyone is addicted then I would say it's a psychological addiction.

And Big Guns, settle down pal. Sure, 70% is a hell of a lot better than 30% but 30 out of 100 is basically a 1 in 3 chance.

I dunno, anything in moderation is fine but putting something into your body, anything, for long periods of time CAN'T be good in the long run.

[bjpennnn]

exactly what flag said. its MENTALLLY addicting not physically.

[dec11]

but you still use steroids, so how does that statement make sense?

ive only used roids for 2 years and in comparison with having used rec drugs for around 9 years when i was younger i can safely say tht steroids are not addictive, i do not crave them watsoeva, im 34 and have done and seen alot and do not need to be second guessed by you or any1 else, tht make enuf sense 4 you? with your exp why do u ask a dumb open ended question like tht, now tht doesnt make sense, is water and fresh air gona be on ur addictive list nxt??!!

[Friend]

I steal to support my steroid addiction.

[Ghost84]

I think this is a really good thread. Really!

But Id like to say that this is a addictive lifestyle more than anything cause the complete obbsession with this "Irongame" comes really fast and really before you start using steroids. I started training at 16 and it took like 6 months and I was consumed by it, steroids came into the picture 3 years later. Training, eating, sleeping everything you do all day long has a certain purpose when you live this lifestyle. Everything has a higher cuase. If u lose that, ofc ur gonna get deppressed whether you take steroids or not. So many guys I think dont have anything left if they have to stop taking steroids and thats what makes it so hard. I think the main criteria for doin this safely is distance.

Anyone agreeing with what Im saying?

[dec11]

I think this is a really good thread. Really!

But Id like to say that this is a addictive lifestyle more than anything cause the complete obbsession with this "Irongame" comes really fast and really before you start using steroids. I started training at 16 and it took like 6 months and I was consumed by it, steroids came into the picture 3 years later. Training, eating, sleeping everything you do all day long has a certain purpose when you live this lifestyle. Everything has a higher cuase. If u lose that, ofc ur gonna get deppressed whether you take steroids or not. So many guys I think dont have anything left if they have to stop taking steroids and thats what makes it so hard. I think the main criteria for doin this safely is distance.

Anyone agreeing with what Im saying?

quite right, its the training and results tht are addictive not the roids, thts why everyone should have ALOT of years solid training behind them b4 they even consider aas

[Misery13]

why is it possible to be addicted to nicotine, but not possible to be dependant on a hormone? Why is the hamster giving it to himself??? It isn't to get huge you can bet.

How many people thought they'd just do one cycle, only to realize years later they've done several and looking forward to their next?

If the leap can be made by the medical establisment, it opens the door to further enforcement.

That was me... I did my first cycle when - was 19...then waited to do my 2nd one when I was 26 and now I do 3 cycles per year and I figure I will stop when I'm 36...so two and half more years...

[elfin1mf]

quite right, its the training and results tht are addictive not the roids, thts why everyone should have ALOT of years solid training behind them b4 they even consider aas

because then they are already addicts and you are just helping them live with their addiction? Or are you saying that the addiction fades after a few years and then they are less likely to do something stupid when they start juicing? I do agree with both of these points, and that results will potentially be much better with solid training behind your belt, but I am not sure I follow your reasoning here. Also, all the people who say you will do better with all this training before hand, do you have data to prove this? Idk it seems very true, but then again it may be that when our bodies are unfamiliar with physical activity that the roids may have the most beneficial effect (ie low metabolism and untrained muscles + roids and newbie training = best gains ever) hahah but seriously it could be true

[fastwardo]

i want to see you stick a needle in your arm everyday then quit cold turkey. those are soem pretty big words my friend unless you can say you have done this yourself. Your body actually physically becomes dependent on such drugs when you wake up it feels like the flu shitting your pants and throwing up cant eat sleep for days.

i understand what your saying but your wrong.

I agree. I am a recovering drug addict as well, and just about every addict who ever lived said, "ohh I can take this drug for a while and I will be able to quit in a month or two no problem cause I'm tough." That is textbook addict thinking.
well, you may be tough, but what people dont understand is that the drugs REMOVE your toughness and willpower. thats what addiction is. I know dozens of recovering addicts, and many of them are the toughest, most strong willed people I have ever known, yet they couldn't stay sober for a day. After a month of shooting heroin, you just wont care about being "mentally tough" anymore lol.

[fastwardo]

Oh, and I'm not sure if steroids are addictive or not. Certainly if shopping and gambling and sex are addictive, then anything can be addictive, even if it isnt a drug. However, I can say for sure that THE LIFESTYLE is very addicting! Not necessarily the steroids themselves. I mean, if any of us were to ever get bored with bodybuilding and decide to take up golf, are we really gonna keep shooting juice??? Probably not.

[bjpennnn]

Oh, and I'm not sure if steroids are addictive or not. Certainly if shopping and gambling and sex are addictive, then anything can be addictive, even if it isnt a drug. However, I can say for sure that THE LIFESTYLE is very addicting! Not necessarily the steroids themselves. I mean, if any of us were to ever get bored with bodybuilding and decide to take up golf, are we really gonna keep shooting juice??? Probably not.

both your statments are amazing i love you

[dec11]

because then they are already addicts and you are just helping them live with their addiction? Or are you saying that the addiction fades after a few years and then they are less likely to do something stupid when they start juicing? I do agree with both of these points, and that results will potentially be much better with solid training behind your belt, but I am not sure I follow your reasoning here. Also, all the people who say you will do better with all this training before hand, do you have data to prove this? Idk it seems very true, but then again it may be that when our bodies are unfamiliar with physical activity that the roids may have the most beneficial effect (ie low metabolism and untrained muscles + roids and newbie training = best gains ever) hahah but seriously it could be true

y dont u piss off, judging by some of your other stellar posts im sure alot will take notice of you, or maybe you did actually snort tht tren, u twat lol

[tripmachine]

exactly what flag said. its MENTALLLY addicting not physically.

haha anyway whaaat up bj hit me up sometime.

[fastwardo]

both your statments are amazing i love you

I love you to sizzle chest!

[Someguy123]

because then they are already addicts and you are just helping them live with their addiction? Or are you saying that the addiction fades after a few years and then they are less likely to do something stupid when they start juicing? I do agree with both of these points, and that results will potentially be much better with solid training behind your belt, but I am not sure I follow your reasoning here. Also, all the people who say you will do better with all this training before hand, do you have data to prove this? Idk it seems very true, but then again it may be that when our bodies are unfamiliar with physical activity that the roids may have the most beneficial effect (ie low metabolism and untrained muscles + roids and newbie training = best gains ever) hahah but seriously it could be true

because without a solid base to work with. you just end up having a yo-yo weight. you get huge when you juice, then lose it all when you come off. and thats what will cause an "addiction" if you wanna call it that. of course you will want to stay on juice all the time, if you are a skinny bitch without them.

i had a good base to start with. and currently, im bigger naturally, than i ever was on any juice. so i certainly feel no need to keep taking steroids.

[CRACKER]

someguy you dont have a hair on your @ss if you dont try heroin for 30 days and try to quit theres only one way to find out how bad you really are and dont ask me for a source either, i double dog dare you *







*dont do it it was a joke

[dec11]

because without a solid base to work with. you just end up having a yo-yo weight. you get huge when you juice, then lose it all when you come off. and thats what will cause an "addiction" if you wanna call it that. of course you will want to stay on juice all the time, if you are a skinny bitch without them.

i had a good base to start with. and currently, im bigger naturally, than i ever was on any juice. so i certainly feel no need to keep taking steroids.

exactly, if you already have it and are just enhancing it, its less of a kick when u loss some when off cycle, i knw i'll neva drop below 15.7 st and wouldnt want to be much heavier than 17.7st (majority of weight increase is water anyhow, if we are honest) and am just as happy with my creatine etc as iam with cycling therefore non addictive in my eyes, 4 me anyone who is dependant has image/confidence probs and needs to address tht

[chuckt12345]

this thread not near as fun now biggun isnt arguing

[Ghost84]

I cant find the science behind the statement to prove it. But a endo that work alot with roids and people taking them, said to me that it seems that the longer you´ve trained before the more the roids will do for you. But who knows..

[fastwardo]

exactly, if you already have it and are just enhancing it, its less of a kick when u loss some when off cycle, i knw i'll neva drop below 15.7 st and wouldnt want to be much heavier than 17.7st (majority of weight increase is water anyhow, if we are honest) and am just as happy with my creatine etc as iam with cycling therefore non addictive in my eyes, 4 me anyone who is dependant has image/confidence probs and needs to address tht

Exactly. Self esteem issues are almost always the root of all addictions (except for maybe coffee and cigarettes). The reason most people heavily abuse drugs/alcohol in the first place is because of other deep seeded issues that have nothing to do with drugs. Treatment for drug/alcohol addiction involves mostly counseling to deal with these issues. They say that the drugs aren't really the problem, but rather just a symptom of the real problem.

[Ghost84]

Exactly. Self esteem issues are almost always the root of all addictions (except for maybe coffee and cigarettes). The reason most people heavily abuse drugs/alcohol in the first place is because of other deep seeded issues that have nothing to do with drugs. Treatment for drug/alcohol addiction involves mostly counseling to deal with these issues. They say that the drugs aren't really the problem, but rather just a symptom of the real problem.

Exactly! And there is no doubt that with aas you got plenty of guys with selfesteem issues.

[wnt2grow]

I know this is an old post, but I did a search and it came up. This is exactly what I am fighting with. I am going to be 41, and was about to come off a cycle. I started wondering if I should just go into cruise mode and take a TRT dose, or just stay on all summer then pct. Started to make me wonder if I am addicted? I like the results I have seen and want to see more. I have kicked up on the cardio, my diet is good. Hence the results, I have seen. So is it possible I am addicted to the hormone, or to the results that I want?

[kore]

I think anyone can get addicted to anything. Its all about what makes you feel good.

If it improves your happiness and quality of life then it must be good right?