The Cyclic Ketogenic Diet.....

[**TOP**]

She NEEDS to weight train. This helps allow muscle glycogen depletion. Theoretically women shouldnt train any different than men. My wife trains the same way i do! Also with the more muscle she has the more calories she will burn in the long run.

Pics will be soon, it should be interesting!!!

[mg1228]

She NEEDS to weight train. This helps allow muscle glycogen depletion. Theoretically women shouldnt train any different than men. My wife trains the same way i do! Also with the more muscle she has the more calories she will burn in the long run.

Pics will be soon, it should be interesting!!!

yea i know she should---but she wont----we did p90x together and she didnt like the way her muscles grew even though it was high intensity and low weight high reps..they prob didnt grow but she said that it made em thick or somethin---trust me ive told her----so now thats out of the way---what do u think about the re-feed if shes only doin cardio-----glycogen levels should still b depleted after 3 weeks of 25-30gr carbs a day--plus the 45 min cardio---keep in mind---she only wants to lose another 10lb--------she aint into it the most of us are

[**TOP**]

You have a PM sir!

[Damienm05]

Great post Top! I do have a question however. A buddy of mine is extremely interested in starting a keto diet to drop body fat and he's just begun a cycle. He's impatient (started a cycle at 18% bf) but pretty dedicated. I've urged him not to pursue a keto diet but I may as well ask an expert -

ARE SUBSTANTIAL LBM GAINS POSSIBLE WITH THIS TYPE OF DIET?!

I've never been able to make gains on keto diets but I've never followed them this precisely or put enough emphasis on refeeds. I may forward him this post.

[**TOP**]

Great post Top! I do have a question however. A buddy of mine is extremely interested in starting a keto diet to drop body fat WHICH I T WILL DO!and he's just begun a cycle WHICH TEST HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HELP STORE GLYCOGEN BETTER (1) . He's impatient (started a cycle at 18% bf) but pretty dedicated YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER!. I've urged him not to pursue a keto diet but I may as well ask an expert -WHY NOT?

ARE SUBSTANTIAL LBM GAINS POSSIBLE WITH THIS TYPE OF DIET?!
YES/NO iTS BEEN PROVEN THAT KETO DIETS HELP LOSE BF WHILE MAINTAING MUSCLE MASS OR AT LEAST RETAINING THE MOST MASS POSSIBLE BUT IF HE IS STILL 18%BF HE SHOULD BE RESTRICTING CALORIES TO LOSE HIS BF,AND WITH HIM ON GEAR THAT WILL HELP EVEN MORE.

AS FAR AS BUILDING NEW LBM ON A CALORIE RESTRICTED DIET, I DOUBT IT.

KNOW IF HE WERE TO GET HIS BF LOWER TO A REASONABLE NUMBER(8-12) THEN I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD NEW MUSCLE BUT ONLY BY INCREASING CALORIES WHILE STAYING ON THE KETO DIET. dOES THIS MAKE SENSE?
I've never been able to make gains on keto diets but I've never followed them this precisely or put enough emphasis on refeeds. WELL WHAT WERE YOU DOING,HOW MANY CALS WERE YOU INTAKING WHAT WAS THE REFEED LIKE ETC..ETC...I may forward him this post.

Iv seen alot of guys think that they are growing LBM and are only adding water or bf to themselves,to build LBM it takes a while even with gear its not a magic potion. As you know im natural, but have been around the sauce seen for a while and also have trained guys on it. What we do is a marathon not a sprint. Hope this helps...TOP


(1) http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/con...tract/51/4/293

This was the only reference i could find at the moment,i have to piss!!

[Damienm05]

That helps a lot actually man. Thank you.

As for my own experience with Keto diets; my cals were quite high. How could they not be?! I look for any excuse to stuff my face with avocados, smoked salmon, and chia seed concoctions. I think I always just skimped on the refeed. I'd only do it 1 day per week and only for my first few meals of said day. For example meals 1-4 would contain 80 grams of complex carbs and then I'd taper off to pro/fat nutrition. In retrospect, i see why I always felt like I was losing strength.

On another note, my own cycle is coming to a close here pretty soon and then I'm gonna eat like crazy throughout my PCT phase to ensure maintenance of gains. If I end up getting back over 10% bf, which i foresee as likely during that time; I'll definitely try this method with serious refeeds.

[**TOP**]

In order to maintain strength the carb load is a must~! My first four meals at the beginning of my carb load are 3360 calories and in the whole of the carb load i can reach up to 10,000 cals. So if your gonna do CKD expect to eat like you should and you should expect to see progress like you will!...TOP

[Twist]

She NEEDS to weight train. This helps allow muscle glycogen depletion. Theoretically women shouldnt train any different than men. My wife trains the same way i do! Also with the more muscle she has the more calories she will burn in the long run.

Pics will be soon, it should be interesting!!!

Great posts and great responses in this thread! Especially the one above! Finally god. Great Job TOP, keep them coming