First clen cycle ever!!!!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Yo.

I will be using Clen on 3-6 week cycle soon!

How should I doese the clen?

Is this a good dosing

Week 1: 0.5-2 tabs ED
Week 2: 2-3 tabs ED
Week 3: 2-3 tabs ED

I can do a longer cycle if I use Ketotifen.

What do you think of this short cycle?

What can I use instead of Cytomel to burn the fat quicker?

A tren based prohormone? Tren itself?

Triacana?

If I were to use T3 or T4 what would you recommend for keeping muscle?

What are your PCT ideas for Thyroid agent use?

I would use Guugul and Coleus Forkohli either 2 seperate products or a combo!

Is it better to alternate between Clen n Cytomel or use both of them at the same time?

[Phate]

Yo.

I will be using Clen on 3-6 week cycle soon!

How should I doese the clen?

Is this a good dosing

Week 1: 0.5-2 tabs ED
Week 2: 2-3 tabs ED
Week 3: 2-3 tabs ED
are the tabs 40mcg/tab
I can do a longer cycle if I use Ketotifen.
correct
What do you think of this short cycle?
3 weeks is a good way to start off and assess tolerance
What can I use instead of Cytomel to burn the fat quicker?
a good diet
A tren based prohormone? Tren itself?
i wouldn't, especially not tren by itself
Triacana?
you could but i would just stick with the clen
If I were to use T3 or T4 what would you recommend for keeping muscle?
i wouldn't
What are your PCT ideas for Thyroid agent use?
you don't use pct for t3
I would use Guugul and Coleus Forkohli either 2 seperate products or a combo!

Is it better to alternate between Clen n Cytomel or use both of them at the same time?
same time, but you could lose muscle if you are off cycle

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[bdogs79]

I wouldn't mess with the T3 man...you can do long term damage to your thyroid production...and need to take t3 for the rest of your life.

I prefer clen...I usually start with 20mcg/day for a few days...jump to 40mcg/day for a few...60mcg for a few...build up to 100mcg/day for the most of it (like weeks 2-4), then drop off the last two weeks back down to 80...60...40...done.

[elpropiotorvic]

Honestly I wouldn't do any of them if quick fat loss by natural means wasn't quick enough... In my case thank god it happens pretty fast with diet and cardio, but if u do prefer to use clen and ur pills are 40 mcg try 60mcg first and then up(that's just me cause. I'm really a pvssy for clen cause my heart tells me it's just not right) but if u are set in using something use clen only and I wouldn't use ketotifen... Just cycle it twoo weeks (I would think there is a reason why the body is downregulating) but that's also your choice...

Anyhow (I sound like a grandma so sorry aboutthat) good luck stay safe and cardio up

Cheers

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

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Yo bro.

They are 40mcg tabs!

I am on a good diet at the mo but I am losing strength because of its low carb content!

I thought u needed stuff to kick ur thyroid back in action!

Would var, mast or primo be a good replacement for t3 or tren?

They r prettry safe DHT based AAS apart from hairloss, acne n other superfivial sides.

Shall I pm u the links to the sources?

Respect

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Honestly I wouldn't do any of them if quick fat loss by natural means wasn't quick enough... In my case thank god it happens pretty fast with diet and cardio, but if u do prefer to use clen and ur pills are 40 mcg try 60mcg first and then up(that's just me cause. I'm really a pvssy for clen cause my heart tells me it's just not right) but if u are set in using something use clen only and I wouldn't use ketotifen... Just cycle it twoo weeks (I would think there is a reason why the body is downregulating) but that's also your choice...

Anyhow (I sound like a grandma so sorry aboutthat) good luck stay safe and cardio up

Cheers

Thanks bro.

I do not think diet and cardio is cuttin it for me.

I do not get much cardio done because my work is office based n it is around 1hr 15mins from home....

It is temping work so I do not know when I will be called back....

What's wrong with ketotifen?

Does Benadryl work well with clen?

Respect

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

I wouldn't mess with the T3 man...you can do long term damage to your thyroid production...and need to take t3 for the rest of your life.

I prefer clen...I usually start with 20mcg/day for a few days...jump to 40mcg/day for a few...60mcg for a few...build up to 100mcg/day for the most of it (like weeks 2-4), then drop off the last two weeks back down to 80...60...40...done.

Bruv.

That seems a good dosing....

T3 is SERIOUS SHIT man!

I know it can seriously screw ur thyroid over!

That is why I am stering away from it and askin bout otha stuff 2 go with clen!

I think it can screw your heart up by causing heart muscle necrosis!

Or is that clen?

Respect

[bdogs79]

Yeah, Clen is the one that can cause cardiac atrophy (enlargement)...but it's rare, and only in high doses (above 1 mg...) ...We're only talking about micrograms (mcg's)...so if you stay under 120mcg/day, you should be fine...You will notice increase anxiety, sweating, maybe shaking, and rapid heart-beat...this is all from the metabolic affects of clen. Again, I would stay away from t3 tho..its much more dangerous long term.

As far as what to stack clen with...from my research, it appears Anavar is the best anabolic to cut fat/gain lean muscle with...you wont see dramatic affects like from some of the bulking gear (dbol, etc), but it's a nice cutting cycle...here's my link to what I think I'll be doing to pre-train for swimming season...(near the bottom)
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=419594

ps...benedryl works if you take it at night while on clen, by increasing the amount of time clen will work for. Normally your receptors wont work with clen after a few weeks...but benedryl "up-regulates" the beta-receptors, so that they are available for clen attachment longer...it will just allow you to use clen for 6-8 weeks, instead of 3-6...

[Little Herc]

I wouldn't take t3 like candy or anything but I don't think its gonna hurt u unless u abuse it. Of all the boards Ive seen i haven't seen anyone thats screwed themselves up on it. However I have seen lots of people that are on hrt for screwing there balls up. I've even tried to find someone via google and haven't seen anyone yet. I haven't taken it personally but i might sometime in the future.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

I wouldn't take t3 like candy or anything but I don't think its gonna hurt u unless u abuse it. Of all the boards Ive seen i haven't seen anyone thats screwed themselves up on it. However I have seen lots of people that are on hrt for screwing there balls up. I've even tried to find someone via google and haven't seen anyone yet. I haven't taken it personally but i might sometime in the future.

T3 is good if u know what u r doin n how how 2 dose properly!

It is a tricky compound tho IMO!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Yeah, Clen is the one that can cause cardiac atrophy (enlargement)...but it's rare, and only in high doses (above 1 mg...) ...We're only talking about micrograms (mcg's)...so if you stay under 120mcg/day, you should be fine...You will notice increase anxiety, sweating, maybe shaking, and rapid heart-beat...this is all from the metabolic affects of clen. Again, I would stay away from t3 tho..its much more dangerous long term.

As far as what to stack clen with...from my research, it appears Anavar is the best anabolic to cut fat/gain lean muscle with...you wont see dramatic affects like from some of the bulking gear (dbol, etc), but it's a nice cutting cycle...here's my link to what I think I'll be doing to pre-train for swimming season...(near the bottom)
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=419594

ps...benedryl works if you take it at night while on clen, by increasing the amount of time clen will work for. Normally your receptors wont work with clen after a few weeks...but benedryl "up-regulates" the beta-receptors, so that they are available for clen attachment longer...it will just allow you to use clen for 6-8 weeks, instead of 3-6...

I like var 2 but ppl say I am not ready for aas yet!

Do u think i should use var with clen?

T3 is scarey stuff.

I thought so about Benadryl.

Clen wise, Ketototifen n Benadryl do the same thing I think!

Thanks for the link!

[bdogs79]

well i'm not saying to use anything...that's a choice you'll have to make...but to let you know what I'm thinking when I decide what to take....I've also haven't used an aas yet, so Var will be my first gear....I'm not sure what people mean by "your not ready"...I mean unless your bf% is way too high (and a diet/excercise regimen would work first)....but other than that, you're ready when you research it..and have sufficient information to make a good decision.

[Phate]

benedryl doesn't do anything with clen, that myth was debunked a little while ago

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

well i'm not saying to use anything...that's a choice you'll have to make...but to let you know what I'm thinking when I decide what to take....I've also haven't used an aas yet, so Var will be my first gear....I'm not sure what people mean by "your not ready"...I mean unless your bf% is way too high (and a diet/excercise regimen would work first)....but other than that, you're ready when you research it..and have sufficient information to make a good decision.

Var wll be my 1st aas 2 if I decide to use it!

My bf% is 26.6 but I dont think that will matter as I am not using an aromatizing aas.

I think the bf thing is what they r talking bout.

IMHO bp, liver function, HDL/LDL, HPTA (inc protrate) and thyroid play a more important role than bf when it comes to deciding wheter to use aas.

Good luck with the var bro!

I have heard good things bout it!

Diet/excercise didnt work out for me because of my sedentary work!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

benedryl doesn't do anything with clen, that myth was debunked a little while ago

Would u recommend ketotifen with clen?

Why does this forum's clen n clim profiles say to use Benadryl with em if it does didly squat with them?

[bdogs79]

benedryl doesn't do anything with clen, that myth was debunked a little while ago

What scientific studies have you found debunking this? I have seen many that explain the "up-regulating" actions of benedryl on beta-receptors...which is counteracts the "down-regulating" actions of clen on beta-receptors.

So why wouldn't this work? It makes perfect sense scientifically...

[dec11]

greaky, if your finding exercise and cardio arent easy to fit in then taking clen wont help, it barely works even with a good training plan, way overrated. as for t3, stay away matey, risky stuff

[Reaver.]

EC + CARDIO + DIET

Works great. If you wish to use EC I like it. Gives plenty of energy through the day and helps with fat loss(not hugely but it adds up at the end of the month)

[terraj]

greaky, if your finding exercise and cardio arent easy to fit in then taking clen wont help, it barely works even with a good training plan, way overrated. as for t3, stay away matey, risky stuff

X2 bro, you don't need clen ...it is shit!

If you are cutting for comp or something like that, then OK.

Post your diet in the diet section, get that right first and you will get the body fat down safely.

Stop looking for shortcuts bro, you don't need them.

Peace

[DOM6]

benedryl doesn't do anything with clen, that myth was debunked a little while ago

helps ya sleep, lol
but thats about it

[Trenquility]

Keto works well for upregulating the beta receptors when the effects of Clen start fading. But I personally has stopped using Clen a long time ago, that stuff can do some serious damage to your nervous system.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

EC + CARDIO + DIET

Works great. If you wish to use EC I like it. Gives plenty of energy through the day and helps with fat loss(not hugely but it adds up at the end of the month)

I DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR CARDIO!!!!

I went on TOPS diet but I lost some strength!

I have tiome for walking n maybe yoga via a dvd!

I love stimulants esp Coffee and Tea but i would rather use Synephrine (Nuphedrine, Bitter Orange, Citrus aurantium) Instead of ephedra because it is safer.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

X2 bro, you don't need clen ...it is shit!

If you are cutting for comp or something like that, then OK.

Post your diet in the diet section, get that right first and you will get the body fat down safely.

Stop looking for shortcuts bro, you don't need them.

Peace

Yo bro.

Wtf does X2 mean?

The thing is.... I want to b SLIM and LEAN for EASTER!

IMHO I do need something to help me!

I already went on 1 of the diets it was good apart from two facts....

TOP didnt take into account my worklife and I lost strenghth due to the VERY LOW CARB CONTENT of the diet!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

greaky, if your finding exercise and cardio arent easy to fit in then taking clen wont help, it barely works even with a good training plan, way overrated. as for t3, stay away matey, risky stuff

Yo bro.

I manage to do btwn 30mins - 1hr of weights and stomach work (weds n suns) 4-5 times a week!

What do u recommend to help me slim for EASTER?

What stuff is out there?

RESPECT

[FranciscoG]

I DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR CARDIO!!!!

Fail.

[tjax03]

Fail.

This, there's now way you have no time to do cardio. Even the president of the United States has time to exercise and I'm pretty sure he is busier than you are.

[FranciscoG]

Don´t get me wrong I guess different courses work for different people.

But if you aint got the basics you got shit.

Drugs are added once you have the basics, not as a I guess I can´t follow step one so i am just going to skip to step 10.

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

fail.

wtf???

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Don´t get me wrong I guess different courses work for different people.

But if you aint got the basics you got shit.

Drugs are added once you have the basics, not as a I guess I can´t follow step one so i am just going to skip to step 10.

I got the diet but it made me week!

Ill ask TOP for 1 wit carbs!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

This, there's now way you have no time to do cardio. Even the president of the United States has time to exercise and I'm pretty sure he is busier than you are.

My only cardio is walking n yoga!

I do not even have room for a punch bag at home!

[dec11]

you will lose strength when dieting down, dont worry about it, you will soon get it back after you've hit your target weight. any of those stimulants will play havoc with your CNS, even the legal stuff, after years of using the likes i think they are mostly bullshit and not nessecary

[yungone501]

Yo bro.

Wtf does X2 mean?

The thing is.... I want to b SLIM and LEAN for EASTER!

IMHO I do need something to help me!

I already went on 1 of the diets it was good apart from two facts....

TOP didnt take into account my worklife and I lost strenghth due to the VERY LOW CARB CONTENT of the diet!

X2 means: (previous statement) x 2 = 'I agree with this'

Come on college BOY! lol

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

X2 means: (previous statement) x 2 = 'I agree with this'

Come on college BOY! lol

Trust me bro....

I aint a college boy!

I aint a BOY!

What do u mean by Come on College BOY?

Thanx for the explanatuion!

I have had my blood results back!

Ill post em on later!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

you will lose strength when dieting down, dont worry about it, you will soon get it back after you've hit your target weight. any of those stimulants will play havoc with your CNS, even the legal stuff, after years of using the likes i think they are mostly bullshit and not nessecary

I am worried bout it bruv!

My strength is part of me!

I aint very fast and I am not a skilled fighter!

Apparenty the ideal weight for sm1 who is 5ft 10ins is between 10-11 stones!

I think that is a load of bs!

What do you think the ideal weight for sm1 who is 5ft 10ins quite muscley and well built should be?

What do u suggest then to shred the fat?

Ill post an extract from the clen website later!

[yungone501]

I aint a college boy!

I aint a BOY!

What do u mean by Come on College BOY?

sorry...MAN

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

sorry...MAN

no offence taken bro!

ever used clen wit var?

[dec11]

I am worried bout it bruv!

My strength is part of me!

I aint very fast and I am not a skilled fighter!

Apparenty the ideal weight for sm1 who is 5ft 10ins is between 10-11 stones!

I think that is a load of bs!

What do you think the ideal weight for sm1 who is 5ft 10ins quite muscley and well built should be?

What do u suggest then to shred the fat?

Ill post an extract from the clen website later!

i wouldnt say theres any defined weight, im around tht height and 16st and feel i could hold another 2st without looking ridiculous

[Mooseman33]

Greek,
who cares if u loose strength at this point. strip it down, then build it back even stronger.
u are trying to do to much at a time, start with loosing weight, stay on that diet and find a way to get some cardio in. yoga is not cardio.
give it time brother, then i promiss once u start to build the muscle again, u will be stronger then before....

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

i wouldnt say theres any defined weight, im around tht height and 16st and feel i could hold another 2st without looking ridiculous

god 4 u bro!

I think i should b aroun 13st 8lb and 14st 4lb!

[GREAKWESSNIPES]

Greek,
who cares if u loose strength at this point. strip it down, then build it back even stronger.
u are trying to do to much at a time, start with loosing weight, stay on that diet and find a way to get some cardio in. yoga is not cardio.
give it time brother, then i promiss once u start to build the muscle again, u will be stronger then before....

Yo MM.

I CARE!!!!!!!!

It took me longer 2 do my weights n I am a bit down coz of it!

Ashtanga n power yoga r full aerobic cardio workouts!

I am thinking of taking a PH to keep strength....

I read u can use them on less calz than aas!

I cannot run voz I have muscular lower back problems n i am scarted I will damage my eyes wit boxin/kickboxin!

I was thinkin of askin 4 a new diet with carbs!

RESPECT