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[YoungBuck024]

hey Ronnie i came to you a while back to help set up a ph cycle and pct. i need ur help once again becuase ur advices are solid. The too compuonds i will be using is supertest 400 and deca 300. Im not quite sure how many mg i should run a week. Any help u can give me about the cycle and pct will be appreciated .

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie i came to you a while back to help set up a ph cycle and pct. I need ur help once again becuase ur advices are solid. The too compuonds i will be using is supertest 400 and deca 300. Im not quite sure how many mg i should run a week. Any help u can give me about the cycle and pct will be appreciated .

is this supertest 400 you are goinng to take the pro-hormone or real steroid version?

[Coca Cola]

Ronnie

I was experimenting with some calculation on Roidcalc dot com, what do you think of it? is it accurate enough tool to rely on?


For example if I do a 20 weeks slingshot cycle with Test E ONLY:
Week 1-8 = 500mg
Week 9-10 = 250mg
Week 11-18 = 500mg
Week 19-20 = 250mg

According to the calculator when I start PCT at week 21 the total level of mg/day (including the ester weight, not just the active) is 208 mg/day, this means that if I start PCT on week 21, then my body will actually start recovery on start of week 22 where the level drops to 79 mg/day, because the level during week 21 is still too high, is this correct?



If I add 300mg of deca into the stack for the second reload as another example:

Week 1-8 = 500mg TE
Week 9-10 = 250mg TE
Week 11-18 = 500mg TE + 300mg Deca
Week 19-20 = 250mg TE

According to the calculator the level of mg/day on start of week 21 is still 292 mg/day, and even at week 22 the level is still 121 mg/day, which I believe is also still too high and suppressive in order for recovery to commence, so does this mean that in this particular case where both test and deca are involved, I have to postpone PCT for another week, start full pct at week 22 instead of week 21, so that during the second week of PCT (week 23) the level will be low enough for recovery to occur?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie

I was experimenting with some calculation on Roidcalc dot com, what do you think of it? is it accurate enough tool to rely on? It's not bad at all but there is no exact science regarding pct.

For example if I do a 20 weeks slingshot cycle with Test E ONLY:
Week 1-8 = 500mg
Week 9-10 = 250mg
Week 11-18 = 500mg
Week 19-20 = 250mg

According to the calculator when I start PCT at week 21 the total level of mg/day (including the ester weight, not just the active) is 208 mg/day, this means that if I start PCT on week 21, then my body will actually start recovery on start of week 22 where the level drops to 79 mg/day, because the level during week 21 is still too high, is this correct? Your levels will be higher during week 21 than 22 but not too high to start an efficient PCT. I say start PCT before you allow test to fall too low-hence avoid losing as much muscle as possible. As test begins to lower slightly your LH is already starting to rebound.


If I add 300mg of deca into the stack for the second reload as another example:

Week 1-8 = 500mg TE
Week 9-10 = 250mg TE
Week 11-18 = 500mg TE + 300mg Deca (good choice for 2nd reload)Week 19-20 = 250mg TE

According to the calculator the level of mg/day on start of week 21 is still 292 mg/day, and even at week 22 the level is still 121 mg/day, which I believe is also still too high and suppressive in order for recovery to commence, so does this mean that in this particular case where both test and deca are involved, I have to postpone PCT for another week, start full pct at week 22 instead of week 21, so that during the second week of PCT (week 23) the level will be low enough for recovery to occur? Not neccesarily, it only means that deca stays in your system longer than test. I feel the longer you wait post cycle to start your pct, the harder it can be to fully recover natural testosterone levels. Estrogen levels begin to decline post cycle as androgen levels fall. Remember, it's the injectable test that increases estrogen and once the body is no longer receiving these injections, estrogen levels will also decrease along with androgen levels. The estrogen rebound that occurs POST CYCLE is actually due to an increase in your own natural testosterone production from using hcg. This can causes an imbalance in hormones-estrogen levels get higher than test for a while until testes production keeps up, so we use drugs like aromasin to keep estrogen low so LH can increase. You could wait unitl week 22 or 23 to start pct if desired but I have never seen any real life benefits by doing so.

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[YoungBuck024]

is this supertest 400 you are goinng to take the pro-hormone or real steroid version?

the real steriod version