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[mass_iv]

Awesome post Ronnie,
Iv been browsing around the forum for sometime now, finally registered now...

Interesting method you have, makes sense to me however find it hard to let go of what i am used to. Anyways iv convinced myself to try it now but have a few questions to finalise my cycle. Basically its my 3rd cycle (first 2 were basic Test E/deca cycles, worked ok but not the greatest combo for me i guess) im looking to gain some good decent size but not too much fat, to be honest i wud love to stay lean (the tricky part) whilst not affecting muscle gain.

Here is a snapshot of what i have jotted down so far, basically i am thinking of a D-Bol, Test E, Tren (A or E not sure need help deciding), EQ and a 4 week PCT. The cycle will span across 16 ON weeks following the 8week reload 2 weeks deload method you mentioned.... here's the plan:


Ok so i need to finalise a few things, what Tren would u recommend? i havent used it before, also what dosages to fit into the graph shown above.
Secondly during weeks 9-10 the deload weeks, is it ok if i stop tacking my injections the way shown and maybe say hit 20mgED of Nolvadex for the 2 weeks or HCG etc before starting up again as shown? or shud i say keep taking some test/tren etc?
Finally i was thinking bought introducing T3 towards the end to help cut up if it looks as though im bulking too much, what would you recommend to incorporate it without impacting muscle too much???

Thanks heaps in advance.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

why do you think... muscle mags...tell people that training methologies like rest-pause..forced reps.... drop sets, changing exercises... annilating body parts changes shape and enhanced muscle size beyond straight-sets??

[Ronnie Rowland]

why do you think... Muscle mags...tell people that training methologies like rest-pause..forced reps.... Drop sets, changing exercises... Annilating body parts changes shape and enhanced muscle size beyond straight-sets?? you cannot change the shape of your muscles, only enhance what you are born with. Muscle magazines do have some good information in them from time to time but they are mostly written with an intent to sell. Some people tend to get impatient with their progress and out of desperation they jump on every new training technique that is written about even though they are not as effective as staying with straight sets. The younger generation in particular actually believe a lot of this hogwash that is written. I run into this at gyms very very often.

If various training methods beyond straight sets had the ability to help people break plateaus then i would be encouraging everyone to do a different training method each time they walked into the gym. In a nutshell, the human body does not operate that way and anyone who believes it does needs to get honest with themselves. The best basketball players in the world shoot the ball using the same technique over-and-over again. The best quarter backs, punters and field goal kickers in football use the same techniques over- and- over again. It's their consistency, genetic ability,determination and perseverance that make them a champion and the same rule applies to bodybuilding! straight sets are always the absolute best way to make a muscle grow. obtaining a massive temporary blood pump with methods like strip sets is not comparable in terms of stimulating the type-2 muscle fibers!

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

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so...i take it you agree with phil hernon "All in all............you cant change your structure.........you just cant.....unless you are not training correctly.......or carrying too much fat in those areas......but your shape is set in stone. You may try syntherol like everyone else uses to bring up lagging body parts for competition time. Pre exhaustion, one light, one heavy, drop sets, rest pause, pause rest, 5 times a week, no times a week, it will never change it, so focus on things you can change."

[Ronnie Rowland]

so...i take it you agree with phil hernon "All in all............you cant change your structure.........you just cant.....unless you are not training correctly.......or carrying too much fat in those areas......but your shape is set in stone. You may try syntherol like everyone else uses to bring up lagging body parts for competition time. Pre exhaustion, one light, one heavy, drop sets, rest pause, pause rest, 5 times a week, no times a week, it will never change it, so focus on things you can change."

Phil is 100% correct!

[Ronnie Rowland]

awesome post ronnie,
iv been browsing around the forum for sometime now, finally registered now...

Interesting method you have, makes sense to me however find it hard to let go of what i am used to. Anyways iv convinced myself to try it now but have a few questions to finalise my cycle. Basically its my 3rd cycle (first 2 were basic test e/deca cycles, worked ok but not the greatest combo for me i guess) im looking to gain some good decent size but not too much fat, to be honest i wud love to stay lean (the tricky part) whilst not affecting muscle gain.

Here is a snapshot of what i have jotted down so far, basically i am thinking of a d-bol, test e, tren (a or e not sure need help deciding), go with tren enanthate! Eq and a 4 week pct. The cycle will span across 16 on weeks following the 8week reload 2 weeks deload method you mentioned.... Here's the plan: you will want to run a 20 week cycle (2-8 week reloads and 2-2 week deloads)

ok so i need to finalise a few things, what tren would u recommend? Tren enanthate all the way! I havent used it before, also what dosages to fit into the graph shown above. run it at 400 mgs per week (two weekly shots) during weeks 1-8 and 11-18. Get off of it during deloads.secondly during weeks 9-10 the deload weeks, is it ok if i stop tacking my injections the way shown and maybe say hit 20mged of nolvadex for the 2 weeks or hcg etc before starting up again as shown? Or shud i say keep taking some test/tren etc? keep in 300 mgs of test e during deloads and drop the rest of the anabolics. reload 1-run test/tren/d-bol for 8 weeks. Reload 2 run /test/tren/eqfinally i was thinking bought introducing t3 towards the end to help cut up if it looks as though im bulking too much, what would you recommend to incorporate it without impacting muscle too much 50 mcgs per day max on t-3. I would not take t-3, just cut back on carbs/fats and increase cardio. T-3 is a pre-contest drug for most unless they are endomorph or female. Increase cardio as well to lower body fat. Moderate intensity cardio will not eat away at muscle like t-3 has been noted to do for some because moderate cardio burns mostly body fat when done right where as t-3 burns fats, carbs and protein! I see no value in screwing around with thyroid gland unless absolutely needed. ???

Thanks heaps in advance.

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[mass_iv]

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Thanks Ronnie much neater.
What you think about the dosages of test e? shud i keep them steady at 500mg for both the 8 week reloads or up them to 750 after the 4 week mark each reload??

[Coca Cola]

Ronnie

Just wanna let you know, I'll be starting my slingshot cycling on the 2nd of May.
I originally plan to use deca for my second reload, but due to kinda bad financial situation at the moment, I've decided not waste money buying deca instead i'll just use all the leftover in my stash which are testosterone and dbol.

My 20 weeks cycle will be:

- Week 1-8 = 500mg test ew
- Week 9-10 = 250mg test ew
- Week 11-18 = 500mg test ew + 35mg dbol ed
- Week 19-20 = 250mg test ew

PCT will be trying Dr Scally's PCT similar to the one you recommend in this thread, but I made some modification to the nolva dosing:

HCG
- Day 1-15 = 2500iu eod for a total of 8 injections
*The reason why i decided not to use hcg during the cycle is because i want to try the full pct as a comparison, but for the cycle after this one I will be using hcg throughout.

Clomid
- Day 1-30 = 100mg ed

Nolva
- Day 1-15 = 40mg ed <- The reason for this because I once read a research that says 20mg tamoxifen bi-daily completely abolish the desensitizing effect of hcg. So the first 15 days while taking HCG I decided to take a little more nolva, for precaution to protect my leydig cells.
- Day 16-45 = 20mg ed <- Decided to go all the way to day 45 like the original Power PCT. Not too sure if its necessary to go all the way to day 45 or should I just stop on day 30?

What do you think man? Should I modify anything?

One more thing which one do u think is actually "healthier" or "less damaging" to the body, using hcg throughout the entire 20 weeks cycle, or leave the hcg for later and just do a full pct?
and if someone decides to go for a 30-40 weeks cycle or even a 1-year cycle, is it safe to use hcg for that long period of time, or its better to leave it for later and just do a full restart once the cycle is done?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie

just wanna let you know, i'll be starting my slingshot cycling on the 2nd of may. great!
i originally plan to use deca for my second reload, but due to kinda bad financial situation at the moment, i've decided not waste money buying deca instead i'll just use all the leftover in my stash which are testosterone and dbol. that will work!

my 20 weeks cycle will be: looks fine to me

- week 1-8 = 500mg test ew
- week 9-10 = 250mg test ew
- week 11-18 = 500mg test ew + 35mg dbol ed
- week 19-20 = 250mg test ew

pct will be trying dr scally's pct similar to the one you recommend in this thread, but i made some modification to the nolva dosing:

Hcg
- day 1-15 = 2500iu eod for a total of 8 injections
*the reason why i decided not to use hcg during the cycle is because i want to try the full pct as a comparison, but for the cycle after this one i will be using hcg throughout. not a problem
clomid
- day 1-30 = 100mg ed

nolva
- day 1-15 = 40mg ed <- the reason for this because i once read a research that says 20mg tamoxifen bi-daily completely abolish the desensitizing effect of hcg. i doubt that but once a day is fine so the first 15 days while taking hcg i decided to take a little more nolva, for precaution to protect my leydig cells.
- day 16-45 = 20mg ed <- decided to go all the way to day 45 like the original power pct. Not too sure if its necessary to go all the way to day 45 or should i just stop on day 30? 30 days will suffice

what do you think man? Should i modify anything? i think you are okay

one more thing which one do u think is actually "healthier" or "less damaging" to the body, using hcg throughout the entire 20 weeks cycle, or leave the hcg for later and just do a full pct? use hcg later after cycles
and if someone decides to go for a 30-40 weeks cycle or even a 1-year cycle, is it safe to use hcg for that long period of time, or its better to leave it for later and just do a full restart once the cycle is done? i would not use hcg for one year straight. It's best to use it periodically imo

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[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks ronnie much neater.
What you think about the dosages of test e? Shud i keep them steady at 500mg for both the 8 week reloads or up them to 750 after the 4 week mark each reload??

stay at 500 mgs for entire first 8 week reload and at 750 mgs for entire second 8 week reload. There's no value whatsover in increasing dosages at 4 week mark as that's just the opposite of front loading (which in fact does have value)!

[bigron164]

Im doing 400 mg enhantate 600 mg eq 300 mg primo a week, how's that cycle sound

[Ronnie Rowland]

Im doing 400 mg enhantate 600 mg eq 300 mg primo a week, how's that cycle sound

What's your stats/pst cycling experience? Sounds like a very weak cycle to me!