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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
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    Hello again Ronnie, Many thanks for your answers. As I mentioned earlier, i'm now 40 years old, do you think cycling at this age is an issue? You also say it should be ok to continue until i'm "burned out". This may sound like a silly question but whats your definition of being burned out? I ask this because I do sometimes feel tired but put this down to age more than cycling, but just wondered what you think. I'm now on my 3rd reload and have increased dosages on each reload. I'm now on 400mg of test blend and 150mg of trenbolone every other day. This is a total of around 1500mg of test and 560mg of tren per week. Would I need to increase this if I decide to continue with a 4th reload? Would you recommend I use a different substance.
    I currently train 4 days per week. Muscle groups I train together are: day 1 chest, biceps and abs, day 2 back and triceps, day 3 legs and calves, day 4 shoulders, forearms and abs. I normally do 9 work sets for each muscle group, except for abs which I only do 3 sets and forearms 6 sets. I would like to try your recommendation of training each group twice per week. How should I change my schedule to accommodate this? Many thanks for all your help.

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    Ronnie,


    I was taking 750 mg test, and 600 mg eq a week.

    I followed the load, deload, reload. It was time for me to start PCT and I decided to keep taking the test because I loved the results. I have since added tren to my cycle. I took the test e at 300 mg for 2 weeks then went up to 600 mg a week. I added Tren A at 100mg a week(first time on tren,less sides? if a better dose please tell me), this is why I lowered the test dose. I am not prone to gyno thus far not even an issue. I do how ever have testicular atrophy, could I start taking hcg while still on cycle to maybe help with the atrophy? I am over 40 and have my kids, not so worried about fertility, just want my boys to hang a little better.I pin every Sunday night and Thursday morning 300 mg test e with 50 mg Tren A per pin.

    Thanks again Ronnie,
    Your help is always appreciated, and not telling us what we are doing wrong but helping us do it right is just what I feel this forum is about.
    Last edited by wnt2grow; 04-13-2010 at 11:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wnt2grow View Post
    Ronnie,


    I was taking 750 mg test, and 600 mg eq a week.

    I followed the load, deload, reload. It was time for me to start PCT and I decided to keep taking the test because I loved the results. I have since added tren to my cycle. I took the test e at 300 mg for 2 weeks then went up to 600 mg a week. I added Tren A at 100mg a week(first time on tren,less sides? if a better dose please tell me), I would bump up tren ace to 50 mgs eod! this is why I lowered the test dose. I am not prone to gyno thus far not even an issue.good I do how ever have testicular atrophy, could I start taking hcg while still on cycle to maybe help with the atrophy? You could but this will increase your chances of getting gyno, cause you to go through more painful injections and you will spend money they would be better off spend on steroids. I am over 40 and have my kids, not so worried about fertility, just want my boys to hang a little better. I would not worry about it. Women do not care! I would spend that money on cabergoline or prami because women do care about that! I pin every Sunday night and Thursday morning 300 mg test e with 50 mg Tren A per pin. Tren acetate needs to be ran eod or at the very least mon,wed,fri. The way you are running it would cause more side effects and provide less results. Test injections look good.
    Thanks again Ronnie,
    Your help is always appreciated, and not telling us what we are doing wrong but helping us do it right is just what I feel this forum is about.
    above

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    Ronnie,

    Thank you for the response. I will up my Tren pins to mon, weds, fri. I can do that without a problem. As far as the Caber my girlfriend might not like it, so far, lets just say I am ready 3x a day. So, so far no problems there, maybe if it decreases after I up the Tren I will look into it. Was that the reason you suggested it? Again thank you for all your input on this forum you are a great help.
    Last edited by wnt2grow; 04-15-2010 at 12:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wnt2grow View Post
    ronnie,

    thank you for the response. I will up my tren pins to mon, weds, fri. I can do that without a problem. As far as the caber my girlfriend might not like it, so far, lets just say i am ready 3x a day. so, so far no problems there, maybe if it decreases after i up the tren i will look into it. Was that the reason you suggested it? yes! If your prolactin levels get too on tren high you will need some caber but some people never have any libido issues at all with tren or deca. again thank you for all your input on this forum you are a great help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
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    Ronnie, what do you think of this: This is off one of the main stickies over at tmuscle.com

    This is an ideal first cycle for everyone or at least a base to build on:

    (NOTE - W X-Y means start of week X to end of week Y)

    Cycle Plan
    W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
    W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)

    This would be an example of a camp number 2 keep it simple cycle. You don't really need to get more complicated than this but if you want to below are some typical inclusions for a first cycle...

    Optional secondary additions
    W 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/d if you want an oral kickstart or just a little something extra thrown in mid cycle when your test is kicking in (seems most lately are going with the latter)
    W 1-8 Deca 300mg/w if you want some additional bulking help
    W 1-8 Tren Enth 150mg E3D if you want additional strength help
    W 6-12 Proviron 25mg 2x/d if you want some help with libido

    Optional Ancilliaries
    W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d if gyno symptoms (itchy/tender nipples) start to show
    W 1-10 Caber 0.5mg 2x/w if you are having prolactin issues (difficulty getting an erection when on tren or deca)
    W 3-10 HCG 250iu 3x/w if you want to prevent your nuts from shrinking and make recovery easier

    Post Cycle Therapy starts week 13

    It is the same with either approach...you just have to make sure that your gear is cleared from your system before you start PCT (or it won't work because you will still be getting suppressed from the gear).

    PCT Option 1 (SERM PCT)
    W 13 Nolva 20mg 2x/d or Clomid 50mg 2x/d
    W 14-16 Nolva 20mg/d or Clomid 25mg/d

    PCT Option 2 (Test Stasis and Taper)
    W 10-12 Off (if your cycle was enth 2 weeks is enough to drop down to normal levels)
    W 13-14 Test Enth 40mg E3D (stasis portion to mimic normal hormone levels)
    W 15-16 Test Enth 30mg E3D (taper portion)
    W 17-18 Test Enth 20mg E3D
    W 19-20 Test Enth 10mg E3D

    The taper gradually takes your body below normal androgen levels slowly enough that it is able to kick in and compensate. There is a much more detailed explaination of this in the "Test Taper Protocol" sticky thread so I suggest you read that if you are interested in this approach

    And this:

    hCG Dosing Guidelines

    - Human Chorionic Gonadotropin -

    For each cycle length the first one listed (1) is for low dose HCG throughout/on-cycle (Preferred method)

    The second line (2) is for hCG during last few weeks only of the cycle (only if hCG was NOT used during cycle)

    1-6 week cycle
    (1) No hCG needed
    (2) No hCG needed

    8 week cycle
    (1) 250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8
    (2) One 1000iu shot per week for 2 weeks with AI? taken daily

    12 week cycle
    (1) 250iu every 4 days* from week 3-12
    (2) One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI? taken daily

    16 week cycle
    (1) 250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8
    Take a 2 week break
    250iu every 4 days* from week 11-16
    (2) One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI? taken daily

    * Every 4 days = Shoot on Monday, then on Friday, then on Tuesday, ect.
    ? AI - Aromatase Inhibitor (While taking 1000iu shots, I recommend 10mg/ED of Aromasin or .5mg/ED Arimidex to keep estrogen in control. Discontinue 4 days after last hCG shot.)

    If you are doing the on-cycle hCG protocol it is important to discontinue hCG 2 weeks prior to AAS clearance. Therefore, when you officially start PCT you will be clean of all AAS's and will be 14 days from your last hCG shot. This allows your testes to become re-sensitized to the body's LH signal from the brain, making for a quick recovery of natural testosterone production as soon as the steroids and hCG clear the system. This is another reason why on-cycle hCG is superior, because it allows you to start recovering as soon as PCT begins.

    If you aren't doing hCG on-cycle, then use hCG according to the last few weeks guidelines, and start it 4-5 weeks before the AAS's are expected to clear the system (Or as soon as possible if you are already past this point).

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    [QUOTE=Archangel.;5154438]Ronnie, what do you think of this: This is off one of the main stickies over at tmuscle.com

    This is an ideal first cycle for everyone or at least a base to build on:

    (NOTE - W X-Y means start of week X to end of week Y)

    Cycle Plan
    W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
    W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)

    This would be an example of a camp number 2 keep it simple cycle. You don't really need to get more complicated than this but if you want to below are some typical inclusions for a first cycle...

    Optional secondary additions
    W 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/d if you want an oral kickstart or just a little something extra thrown in mid cycle when your test is kicking in (seems most lately are going with the latter)
    W 1-8 Deca 300mg/w if you want some additional bulking help
    W 1-8 Tren Enth 150mg E3D if you want additional strength help
    W 6-12 Proviron 25mg 2x/d if you want some help with libido

    Optional Ancilliaries
    W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d if gyno symptoms (itchy/tender nipples) start to show
    W 1-10 Caber 0.5mg 2x/w if you are having prolactin issues (difficulty getting an erection when on tren or deca)
    W 3-10 HCG 250iu 3x/w if you want to prevent your nuts from shrinking and make recovery easier

    Post Cycle Therapy starts week 13

    It is the same with either approach...you just have to make sure that your gear is cleared from your system before you start PCT (or it won't work because you will still be getting suppressed from the gear).

    PCT Option 1 (SERM PCT)
    W 13 Nolva 20mg 2x/d or Clomid 50mg 2x/d
    W 14-16 Nolva 20mg/d or Clomid 25mg/d

    PCT Option 2 (Test Stasis and Taper)
    W 10-12 Off (if your cycle was enth 2 weeks is enough to drop down to normal levels)
    W 13-14 Test Enth 40mg E3D (stasis portion to mimic normal hormone levels)
    W 15-16 Test Enth 30mg E3D (taper portion)
    W 17-18 Test Enth 20mg E3D
    W 19-20 Test Enth 10mg E3D

    The taper gradually takes your body below normal androgen levels slowly enough that it is able to kick in and compensate. There is a much more detailed explaination of this in the "Test Taper Protocol" sticky thread so I suggest you read that if you are interested in this approach

    And this:

    hCG Dosing Guidelines

    - Human Chorionic Gonadotropin -

    For each cycle length the first one listed (1) is for low dose HCG throughout/on-cycle (Preferred method)

    The second line (2) is for hCG during last few weeks only of the cycle (only if hCG was NOT used during cycle)

    1-6 week cycle
    (1) No hCG needed
    (2) No hCG needed

    8 week cycle
    (1) 250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8
    (2) One 1000iu shot per week for 2 weeks with AI? taken daily

    12 week cycle
    (1) 250iu every 4 days* from week 3-12
    (2) One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI? taken daily

    16 week cycle
    (1) 250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8
    Take a 2 week break
    250iu every 4 days* from week 11-16
    (2) One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI? taken daily

    * Every 4 days = Shoot on Monday, then on Friday, then on Tuesday, ect.
    ? AI - Aromatase Inhibitor (While taking 1000iu shots, I recommend 10mg/ED of Aromasin or .5mg/ED Arimidex to keep estrogen in control. Discontinue 4 days after last hCG shot.)

    If you are doing the on-cycle hCG protocol it is important to discontinue hCG 2 weeks prior to AAS clearance. Therefore, when you officially start PCT you will be clean of all AAS's and will be 14 days from your last hCG shot. This allows your testes to become re-sensitized to the body's LH signal from the brain, making for a quick recovery of natural testosterone production as soon as the steroids and hCG clear the system. This is another reason why on-cycle hCG is superior, because it allows you to start recovering as soon as PCT begins.

    If you aren't doing hCG on-cycle, then use hCG according to the last few weeks guidelines, and start it 4-5 weeks before the AAS's are expected to clear the system (Or as soon as possible if you are already past this point).[/QUOTE]WAY WAY TOO MUCH CHAOS! JUST STICK TO WHAT I SUGGESTED AND YOU'LL BE ON THE RIGHT PATH. I THINK YOU ARE OVERANALYING THINGS. KEEP IT SIMPLE AND STICK TO WHAT HAS BEEN PROVEN TO WORK FOR THE MASSES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delta1111 View Post
    Hello again Ronnie, Many thanks for your answers. As I mentioned earlier, i'm now 40 years old, do you think cycling at this age is an issue? no, i do not! You also say it should be ok to continue until i'm "burned out". This may sound like a silly question but whats your definition of being burned out? achy joints and/or feeling very lethargic to the point of dreading going to the gym. I ask this because I do sometimes feel tired but put this down to age more than cycling, but just wondered what you think. I'm now on my 3rd reload and have increased dosages on each reload. I'm now on 400mg of test blend and 150mg of trenbolone every other day. This is a total of around 1500mg of test and 560mg of tren per week. Would I need to increase this if I decide to continue with a 4th reload? Would you recommend I use a different substance. If it were me, I would try staying with that same stack and begin training each muscle twice a week. I would also try increasing calories through mostly protein sources. If you do not gain then you could add in third compound. Or you could go ahead and add in 3rd compound and continue with once a week muscle group training. It's a toss up but if you can make more gains by changing your training program to twice a week muscle group training for 10 weeks and adjusting diet without having to add in more anabolics, it's a good thing!
    I currently train 4 days per week. Muscle groups I train together are: day 1 chest, biceps and abs, day 2 back and triceps, day 3 legs and calves, day 4 shoulders, forearms and abs. I normally do 9 work sets for each muscle group, except for abs which I only do 3 sets and forearms 6 sets. I would like to try your recommendation of training each group twice per week. How should I change my schedule to accommodate this? Many thanks for all your help.
    Do 3-6 sets per body part.

    Day 1: chest,shoulder,lats HEAVY DAY
    Day 2 : arms/legs/abs HEAVY DAY
    Day 3 : off
    Day 4: same as day 1 LIGHT DAY
    Day 5: same as day 2 LIGHT DAY
    Weekends off.

    NOTE: TYPE OUT YOUR WHOLE PROGRAM IN THIS THREAD CONTAINING EXERCISES, SETS, REPS AND I WILL CRITIQUE IF FOR YOU!

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    Awesome Ronnie! Thanks man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    Do 3-6 sets per body part.

    Day 1: chest,shoulder,lats HEAVY DAY
    Day 2 : arms/legs/abs HEAVY DAY
    Day 3 : off
    Day 4: same as day 1 LIGHT DAY
    Day 5: same as day 2 LIGHT DAY
    Weekends off.

    NOTE: TYPE OUT YOUR WHOLE PROGRAM IN THIS THREAD CONTAINING EXERCISES, SETS, REPS AND I WILL CRITIQUE IF FOR YOU!
    Hi Ronnie.
    Here is the information you asked for:

    The following are work sets only.
    Day 1:
    Chest:
    3 sets of incline bench press with smith m/c,
    3 sets of flat bench press with smith m/c,
    3 sets of flat or incline flies or pec deck,
    9 sets total, 6 to 10 reps per set. Ocasionally I may use dumbells instead. and sometimes do 3 sets of declines.

    Biceps:
    3 sets of barbel or cable m/c curls,
    3 sets of seated dumbell curls,
    3 sets of preachers using bar or dumbell,
    9 sets total, 8 to 10 reps per set.

    Abs:
    3 sets of sit ups using a decline bench, 20 reps per set.

    Day 2:
    Back:
    3 sets of wide grip lat pull downs,
    3 sets of seated m/c rows,
    3 sets of bent over rows,
    9 sets total 8 to 10 reps per set.

    Triceps:
    3 sets of skull crushers,
    3 sets of behind the neck dumbell presses,
    3 sets of tricep cable presses,
    9 sets total 8 to 10 reps per set. Triceps is one of my favourite muscles to train so there are many different excersises I use on a typical day, like close grip dips, close grip b/press, bench dips. With triceps, there seems to be so many excersises one can use.

    Day 3:
    Legs:
    3 sets of leg press or squat,
    3 sets of leg extensions,
    3 sets of leg biceps (hams),
    9 sets total, 8 to 10 reps per set.

    Calves:
    2 sets calve m/c toes pointing in,
    2 sets calve m/c toes pointing out,
    2 sets calve m/c normal,
    6 sets total, 10 reps per set.

    Day 4:
    Shoulders:
    3 sets of seated m/c shoulder presses,
    3 sets of side dumbell raises,
    3 sets of front dumbell raises,
    3 to 5 sets of shrugs using olympic bar (heavy) sometimes use dumbells for this.
    12 to 14 sets, 8 reps per set.

    Forearms:
    6 sets of forearm twists using weighted rope ties to a stick (wrist roller) or 3 sets of forearm curls and 3 sets of reverse forearm curls.

    Abs:
    3 sets of sit ups using a decline bench, 20 reps per set.

    This is a typical week for me, although sometimes I change the excersises but the volume stays the same.
    I also have an issue developing my inner chest. When I do exercises like peck deck, cable crossovers or flies and really squeeze at the top of the rep, I get a really good pump but never seem to grow from it. It's as if there's no muscle there to grow. Can you recommend any thing for this?
    One last thing, would you recommend wide grip dips and decline presses for lower chest development, or just flat presses?
    Many thanks again Ronnie, your help and guidance is always appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delta1111 View Post
    hi ronnie.
    Here is the information you asked for:


    day 1-monday:

    chest 6 sets twice a week-
    10 degree decline press on smith machine 2 sets
    10 degree incline press on smith machine 2 sets
    best exercise for inner chest imo is plate loaded hammer wide iso chest press. 2 sets. Cable crossovers also work if done right!

    Shoulders:6 sets
    2 sets of seated shoulder presses
    2 sets of side dumbell raises, (do these leaning on bench at 75 degeee angle one arm at a time)
    2 sets of reverse flyes for rear delts (front raises not needed)

    back:6 sets
    3 sets of wide grip lat pull downs,
    3 sets of seated rows (use medium grip- "18 inches apart"- with lat bar attachment)

    traps: 3 sets
    3 sets of seated dumbbell shrugs


    forearms: 4 sets
    2 sets of forearm curls
    2 sets of reverse curls.




    day 2- tuesday:

    biceps: 4 sets
    2 sets of barbell curls,
    2 sets of seated dumbell curls

    triceps: 4 sets
    2 sets of skull crushers,
    2 sets of tricep cable presses

    quads: 5 sets
    3 sets of leg press or squat
    2 sets of leg extensions

    hams :3 sets
    3 sets of leg biceps (hams)

    abs: 4 sets
    2 sets of reverse crunches or weighted crunches. (avoid sit ups using a decline bench as they can cause back trouble and hit the psoas harder than crunches-hence less ab stimulation than weighted crunches. Do 2 sets of weighted crunches on a bosu ball.





    the following are work sets only.
    Day 1:
    Chest:
    3 sets of incline bench press with smith m/c,
    3 sets of flat bench press with smith m/c,
    3 sets of flat or incline flies or pec deck,
    9 sets total, 6 to 10 reps per set. Ocasionally i may use dumbells instead. And sometimes do 3 sets of declines.

    Biceps:
    3 sets of barbel or cable m/c curls,
    3 sets of seated dumbell curls,
    3 sets of preachers using bar or dumbell,
    9 sets total, 8 to 10 reps per set.

    Abs:
    3 sets of sit ups using a decline bench, 20 reps per set.

    Day 2:
    Back:
    3 sets of wide grip lat pull downs,
    3 sets of seated m/c rows,
    3 sets of bent over rows,
    9 sets total 8 to 10 reps per set.

    Triceps:
    3 sets of skull crushers,
    3 sets of behind the neck dumbell presses,
    3 sets of tricep cable presses,
    9 sets total 8 to 10 reps per set. Triceps is one of my favourite muscles to train so there are many different excersises i use on a typical day, like close grip dips, close grip b/press, bench dips. With triceps, there seems to be so many excersises one can use.

    Day 3:
    Legs:
    3 sets of leg press or squat,
    3 sets of leg extensions,
    3 sets of leg biceps (hams),
    9 sets total, 8 to 10 reps per set.

    Calves:
    2 sets calve m/c toes pointing in,
    2 sets calve m/c toes pointing out,
    2 sets calve m/c normal,
    6 sets total, 10 reps per set.

    Day 4:
    Shoulders:
    3 sets of seated m/c shoulder presses,
    3 sets of side dumbell raises,
    3 sets of front dumbell raises,
    3 to 5 sets of shrugs using olympic bar (heavy) sometimes use dumbells for this.
    12 to 14 sets, 8 reps per set.

    Forearms:
    6 sets of forearm twists using weighted rope ties to a stick (wrist roller) or 3 sets of forearm curls and 3 sets of reverse forearm curls.

    Abs:
    3 sets of sit ups using a decline bench, 20 reps per set.

    This is a typical week for me, although sometimes i change the excersises but the volume stays the same.
    I also have an issue developing my inner chest. When i do exercises like peck deck, cable crossovers or flies and really squeeze at the top of the rep, i get a really good pump but never seem to grow from it. It's as if there's no muscle there to grow. Can you recommend any thing for this?yes! The hammer strength iso-lateral plate loaded chest press is hard to beat for building inner chest mass!one last thing, would you recommend wide grip dips and decline presses for lower chest development, or just flat presses? just 10 degree decline presses on a smith machine! many thanks again ronnie, your help and guidance is always appreciated.
    above

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    Thanks for the reply Ronnie.
    What should the rep range be for heavy and light days on the twice a week training method you suggest?
    I assume I go heavy on the Monday and Tuesday excersises, then repeat on Thursday and Friday light?
    When I switch back from twice a week training, should I go back to what i've been doing? I'm just curious to know what you think to what I've been doing and whether I should change or tweak my typical session?
    "plate loaded hammer wide iso chest press" Not sure what this is, so i'll look it up on the internet. I'm from the UK so it's perhaps called something else here.
    Kindest regards Ronnie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delta1111 View Post
    thanks for the reply ronnie.
    What should the rep range be for heavy and light days on the twice a week training method you suggest? depends on the exercise used but for compounds around 6-10 on heavy days and 10-15 on light days. You also have the option of just doing around 8-12 on both days if desired.i assume i go heavy on the monday and tuesday excersises, then repeat on thursday and friday light? thats a good plan
    when i switch back from twice a week training, should i go back to what i've been doing? yes i'm just curious to know what you think to what i've been doing and whether i should change or tweak my typical session? it need some tweaking imo. i'll tweak it later when i get time so be on the look out!"plate loaded hammer wide iso chest press" not sure what this is, so i'll look it up on the internet. I'm from the uk so it's perhaps called something else here. the hands come together during the slight declined movement-hence it really adds mass/cuts to entire inner chest region.kindest regards ronnie.
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