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[VASCULAR VINCE]

some say growth hormone is way overrated..your thoughts please!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

some say growth hormone is way overrated..your thoughts please!!!

It's not over-rated if you can afford to take large quantities as it keeps you lean while bulking up. Taking low dosages is over-rate IMO in terms of changing body composition.

[delta1111]

It's not over-rated if you can afford to take large quantities as it keeps you lean while bulking up. Taking low dosages is over-rate IMO in terms of changing body composition.

Hi Ronnie,
Found this on an earlier post of yours regarding growth hormone. What would you consider to be a low dosage and what would be the norm?
Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,
found this on an earlier post of yours regarding growth hormone. What would you consider to be a low dosage and what would be the norm?
Thanks

4 ius is a low dosage and 8 ius the norm. Top level bodybuilders use around 20-30 iu per day. It also depends on the quality as name brand gh like ********** is much stronger per iu than generic [u]blue tops[/u].

[DocBman]

Ronnie,


thank you for all of your help and advice! I just recently got some HCG to run with my cycle you critiqued on page 20 or so.

My question is where should I add the HCG in the blast, how long, and how much??

Here is the cycle example:

First Blast
wks 1-8: 500mg Test E
wks 9-10: 250mgs Test E

Second Blast
wks 11-14: 500mg Test E/30mg Dbol
wks 11-18: 500mg Test E
wks 19-20: 250mg Test E

PCT
wks 21-24 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 50/50/25/25

I have Arimadex on hand just in case...

Where does the HCG come into play?? should I drop the clomid if i run HCG?

Also, would it make a difference if I kickstarted my cycle with Dbol for the FIRST 4 wks rather add for the second reload?

Thank you very much!!

Doc

[Ronnie Rowland]

Sill in a lot of pain but things went well. It wil be n a few days. I am sure i
'' need to make some needed correctins havisg been so depleted the past few weeks,..

[50+]

Sill in a lot of pain but things went well. It wil be n a few days. I am sure i
'' need to make some needed correctins havisg been so depleted the past few weeks,..

The post operation pain can greatly vary from one person to another with Hernia operations. I think mine was about as bad as it gets, I actually think the doc made some kind of mistake or putting it off for way to many years was a mistake on my part. Many people that I've spoken with about this have told me that within a few day they were back to normal. I've had some pretty serious operations through the years and the pain after my hernia operation was by far the worst. I hope for your sake that yours isn't as bad as mine was. Hope you feel better soon.

[Ronnie Rowland]

The post operation pain can greatly vary from one person to another with Hernia operations. I think mine was about as bad as it gets, I actually think the doc made some kind of mistake or putting it off for way to many years was a mistake on my part. Many people that I've spoken with about this have told me that within a few day they were back to normal. I've had some pretty serious operations through the years and the pain after my hernia operation was by far the worst. I hope for your sake that yours isn't as bad as mine was. Hope you feel better soon.

Definetly in pain and my throat is absolutely killing me. I think they jerked the respirator out of my throat and cut it pretty bad. I CAN ONLY EAT ICE CREAM AND SUCH WHICH IS GETTING OLD AND EVEN THAT BURNS! I GO SEE THE DOC TOMMORROW TO FIND OUT WHY MY THROAT IS KILLING ME AFTER ALMOST A WEEK POST SURGERY. MY STITCHES ARE ITCHING LIKE POISON IVY. I GUESS YOU COULD SAY I AM MISERABLE ABOUT NOW!!!!

[50+]

Definetly in pain and my throat is absolutely killing me. I think they jerked the respirator out of my throat and cut it pretty bad. I CAN ONLY EAT ICE CREAM AND SUCH WHICH IS GETTING OLD AND EVEN THAT BURNS! I GO SEE THE DOC TOMMORROW TO FIND OUT WHY MY THROAT IS KILLING ME AFTER ALMOST A WEEK POST SURGERY. MY STITCHES ARE ITCHING LIKE POISON IVY. I GUESS YOU COULD SAY I AM MISERABLE ABOUT NOW!!!!

I can't remember which operation it was but at the end of one of them I woke up from the anesthesia with the tube still in my throat. Because I was still out of it I didn't know what the fvck was going on, I thought I was drowning or something. I started flailing my arms around and when they finally noticed what had happened they yanked the tube out of my throat. Being that the damn thing is coiled it severely bruised my throat. It was very sore and uncomfortable for about 2 weeks. Hopefully yours will feel better soon! How's the pain in the area of the cut?

You had recommended that I inject 3 times a week instead of 2. Should I do less per shot to maintain the same quantity or did you mean to up the quantity. I am presently doing 200 mg. (sust.) per shot 3 times per week.

On July 2nd I'm scheduled to get an epidural to hopefully help my back pain. do I need to be concerned with going under anesthesia while on steroids?

Thanks and hope your feeling better soon.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=50+;5224260]I can't remember which operation it was but at the end of one of them I woke up from the anesthesia with the tube still in my throat. Because I was still out of it I didn't know what the fvck was going on, I thought I was drowning or something. I started flailing my arms around and when they finally noticed what had happened they yanked the tube out of my throat. Being that the damn thing is coiled it severely bruised my throat. It was very sore and uncomfortable for about 2 weeks. Hopefully yours will feel better soon! How's the pain in the area of the cut?

I can't remember which operation it was but at the end of one of them I woke up from the anesthesia with the tube still in my throat. Because I was still out of it I didn't know what the fvck was going on, I thought I was drowning or something. I started flailing my arms around and when they finally noticed what had happened they yanked the tube out of my throat. Being that the damn thing is coiled it severely bruised my throat. It was very sore and uncomfortable for about 2 weeks. Hopefully yours will feel better soon! How's the pain in the area of the cut? My throat hurts where it is cut and my wife just took my temp and it was 100 after taking 3 tylenol so it appears I have caught strep throat which is adding on to the throat pain. The incision of the hernia itches and is sore because I had an allergic reaction to the tape. I'll be glad when this is over with. The worst pain was during the first 3 days post surgery. Everytime I went to piss it was like I was being shot with a automatic nail gun in my abs, balls and dick all at once. It was like peeing on an electric fence!!! That was some serious pain right there and the doctor gave me no warning whatsover. I told her today-"[U]THANKS A LOT FOR THE WARNING DOC!" [/U]You had recommended that I inject 3 times a week instead of 2. Should I do less per shot to maintain the same quantity or did you mean to up the quantity. I am presently doing 200 mg. (sust.) per shot 3 times per week. I THINK 200 MGS 3 TIMES PER WEEK IS WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.
On July 2nd I'm scheduled to get an epidural to hopefully help my back pain. do I need to be concerned with going under anesthesia while on steroids? THEY GENERALLY GIVE YOU A SHOT OF BLOOD THINNER NOW BEFORE GOING UNDER BUT GIVING BLOOD AT THE LOCAL BLOOD BANK TO THIN OUT BLOOD A WEEK PRIOR IS A GOOD STRATEGY.
Thanks and hope your feeling better soon.

ABOVE

[Coca Cola]

Sill in a lot of pain but things went well. It wil be n a few days. I am sure i
'' need to make some needed correctins havisg been so depleted the past few weeks,..

Get well soon Ronnie!

[Yellow]

Sill in a lot of pain but things went well. It wil be n a few days. I am sure i
'' need to make some needed correctins havisg been so depleted the past few weeks,..

I hope you bounce back well, ronnie...
God Bless you and family...


I have finished my first deload phase.
I noticed that I lose a bit of size and bodyweight during the second week of deload, is this normal?

If I lose a bit of gain in second week of deload, does it mean that it would be better for me to just do 1 week of deload instead of 2?
Because I once read in one of your post, you mentioned some guy in your gym only use 1 week deload and 10 months later he become a monster, do you think this method will work as well for me instead of doing the normal 2 weeks deload?

[Coca Cola]

I have finished my first deload phase.
I noticed that I lose a bit of size and bodyweight during the second week of deload, is this normal?

If I lose a bit of gain in second week of deload, does it mean that it would be better for me to just do 1 week of deload instead of 2?
Because I once read in one of your post, you mentioned some guy in your gym only use 1 week deload and 10 months later he become a monster, do you think this method will work as well for me instead of doing the normal 2 weeks deload?

Interesting question from Mr. Yellow! I'll be entering my first deload phase as well pretty soon, and I'd like to know about this too, doing a 1 week deload seems like a pretty neat trick, I could get back to second reload sooner, and make gains again, instead of having to lose some gains in the second week deload?

What do you think about this Ronnie?

What are the advantages and disadvantages of 1 week deload compared to 2 weeks?

[asto_86]

Day 1 begins today! Freakin stoked!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Day 1 begins today! Freakin stoked!!!

Looking forward to watching you progress. Your lower abs are already freaky as all get out...lol

[Archangel.]

I hope you bounce back well, ronnie...
God Bless you and family...


I have finished my first deload phase.
I noticed that I lose a bit of size and bodyweight during the second week of deload, is this normal?

If I lose a bit of gain in second week of deload, does it mean that it would be better for me to just do 1 week of deload instead of 2?
Because I once read in one of your post, you mentioned some guy in your gym only use 1 week deload and 10 months later he become a monster, do you think this method will work as well for me instead of doing the normal 2 weeks deload?

I wish you all the best Ronnie. My father had a hernia operation several years ago, but he waited WAY too long to have it done. He dealt with that damn hernia for 10 YEARS before having it done, and by the time he did have it done, he was in his late 60's. He was very sore for a little while, but recovered quickly and efficiently. He's now 73 and going strong! If he can recover so well at that age, I KNOW you'll be fine in no time. We miss you bud.

As for your Q yellow, I always pay attention to what you and coca cola have to say, as you 2 and I began our first 20 week blast almost at exactly the same time. I am currently on day 12 of 14 of my first DELOAD, so almost about to start my second reload. I noticed a fluctuation of 5 pounds during this deload, normally staying at the low end of that fluctuation. I'm not sure why because my cals stayed almost exactly the same bcause I followed Ron's rule of cutting Protein in half during deload, and replacing that with an equal amount of healthy carbs GRAM FOR GRAM. So that equals out to be the same overall cals. My fat intake stayed the same. What I've noticed is I've actually gotten LEANER during the deload, which is odd because normally upping the carbs tends to accumulate a little fat/water retention with me, especially over a 2 week period like this. My strength has actually increased a little during the deload, at least for the 12-15 rep range, as that's what he teaches to do while deloading. However, I am curious to see if my strength has increased or at least maintained when I go back to the lower RELOAD rep ranges in 2 days.
When you say you lost a bit of gain, did you mean size? Strength? Did you keep your overall cals the same, replacing protein with carbs gram for gram?
Also Yellow, do you have any progress pics? I'd love to see how you're doing. I'm gonna post some up here soon for Ron and everyone to check out. All the praise goes to that man and his STS system.

[Coca Cola]

As for your Q yellow, I always pay attention to what you and coca cola have to say, as you 2 and I began our first 20 week blast almost at exactly the same time. I am currently on day 12 of 14 of my first DELOAD, so almost about to start my second reload. I noticed a fluctuation of 5 pounds during this deload, normally staying at the low end of that fluctuation. I'm not sure why because my cals stayed almost exactly the same bcause I followed Ron's rule of cutting Protein in half during deload, and replacing that with an equal amount of healthy carbs GRAM FOR GRAM. So that equals out to be the same overall cals. My fat intake stayed the same. What I've noticed is I've actually gotten LEANER during the deload, which is odd because normally upping the carbs tends to accumulate a little fat/water retention with me, especially over a 2 week period like this. My strength has actually increased a little during the deload, at least for the 12-15 rep range, as that's what he teaches to do while deloading. However, I am curious to see if my strength has increased or at least maintained when I go back to the lower RELOAD rep ranges in 2 days.
When you say you lost a bit of gain, did you mean size? Strength? Did you keep your overall cals the same, replacing protein with carbs gram for gram?
Also Yellow, do you have any progress pics? I'd love to see how you're doing. I'm gonna post some up here soon for Ron and everyone to check out. All the praise goes to that man and his STS system.

Thanks for the input on your experience bro! Definitely very valuable for all of us to learn from!

I would like to ask you some questions as well, I'm guessing during your first deload phase you only used 250mg of test per week correct? Did you do one injection a week or did you split this dose into two injections?

Do you noticed any increase in acne during the second week of deload?

[Archangel.]

Thanks for the input on your experience bro! Definitely very valuable for all of us to learn from!

I would like to ask you some questions as well, I'm guessing during your first deload phase you only used 250mg of test per week correct? Did you do one injection a week or did you split this dose into two injections?

Do you noticed any increase in acne during the second week of deload?

Yes, my first deload I'm using 250mg/week of test-e. I opted for injecting once per week, as someone asked Ron that Q earlier on in this thread (twice vs once per week during deload), and Ron said once was sufficient. The only increased acne I noticed was very minor, and it began around week 3 of the reload, I haven't noticed any since then because I've had accutane on hand the entire time. I can't really give you a fair opinion on that one. How was your first reload Cola? Hope it's going great for you. I'd love to se some before after pics/stats of you and yellow. I'm gonna put some on soon. Cheers bud

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks for the input on your experience bro! Definitely very valuable for all of us to learn from!

I would like to ask you some questions as well, I'm guessing during your first deload phase you only used 250mg of test per week correct? Did you do one injection a week or did you split this dose into two injections?

Do you noticed any increase in acne during the second week of deload?

With any type of hormonal fluctuations (whether it be an increase or decrease) comes a bit of acne for many.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Archangel.;5221693]I wish you all the best Ronnie. My father had a hernia operation several years ago, but he waited WAY too long to have it done. He dealt with that damn hernia for 10 YEARS before having it done, and by the time he did have it done, he was in his late 60's. He was very sore for a little while, but recovered quickly and efficiently. He's now 73 and going strong! If he can recover so well at that age, I KNOW you'll be fine in no time. We miss you bud.

As for your Q yellow, I always pay attention to what you and coca cola have to say, as you 2 and I began our first 20 week blast almost at exactly the same time. I am currently on day 12 of 14 of my first DELOAD, so almost about to start my second reload. I noticed a fluctuation of 5 pounds during this deload, normally staying at the low end of that fluctuation. I'm not sure why because my cals stayed almost exactly the same bcause I followed Ron's rule of cutting Protein in half during deload, and replacing that with an equal amount of healthy carbs GRAM FOR GRAM. (JUST WATER WEIGHT)So that equals out to be the same overall cals. My fat intake stayed the same. What I've noticed is I've actually gotten LEANER during the deload, which is odd because normally upping the carbs tends to accumulate a little fat/water retention with me, especially over a 2 week period like this. (I ALWAYS GAINS SOME MASS DURING 2 WEEK DELOADS BECAUSE MY CNS RECOVERS FULLY) My strength has actually increased a little during the deload, at least for the 12-15 rep range, as that's what he teaches to do while deloading. However, I am curious to see if my strength has increased or at least maintained when I go back to the lower RELOAD rep ranges in 2 days. (IT MIGHT OR IT MIGHT TAKE UP TO 2 WEEKS BUT EITHER WAY YOUR AFTER SIZE AND LONGEVITY MORE THAN STRENGTH UNLESS YOU ARE POWER-LIFTING)When you say you lost a bit of gain, did you mean size? Strength? Did you keep your overall cals the same, replacing protein with carbs gram for gram?
Also Yellow, do you have any progress pics? I'd love to see how you're doing. I'm gonna post some up here soon for Ron and everyone to check out. All the praise goes to that man and his STS system.I'M GONNA HAVE TO POST SOME PROGRESS PICS OF MY BOYS AND MY BOSS (WIFE)...LOL..[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie,


thank you for all of your help and advice! I just recently got some HCG to run with my cycle you critiqued on page 20 or so.

My question is where should I add the HCG in the blast, how long, and how much??I would only run HCG during reloads if you wanted to keep ball size. 250 twice a week or 500 once a week is good. Here is the cycle example:

First Blast
wks 1-8: 500mg Test E
wks 9-10: 250mgs Test E

Second Blast
wks 11-14: 500mg Test E/30mg Dbol
wks 11-18: 500mg Test E (need d-bol here as well)
wks 19-20: 250mg Test E

PCT
wks 21-24 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 50/50/25/25

I have Arimadex on hand just in case...

Where does the HCG come into play?? should I drop the clomid if i run HCG? I woud run clomid first 2 weeks and not use clomid but since you already have clomid might as well go ahead and use it up ifyou don't become an emotional wreck.

Also, would it make a difference if I kickstarted my cycle with Dbol for the FIRST 4 wks rather add for the second reload?You need to run d-bol 8 weeks to make maximum gains not 4!

Thank you very much!!

Doc

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie,


thank you for all of your help and advice! I just recently got some HCG to run with my cycle you critiqued on page 20 or so.

My question is where should I add the HCG in the blast, how long, and how much??I would only run HCG during reloads if you wanted to keep ball size. 250 twice a week or 500 once a week is good. Many just use it post tehir 20 week cycle or so.Here is the cycle example:

First Blast
wks 1-8: 500mg Test E
wks 9-10: 250mgs Test E

Second Blast
wks 11-14: 500mg Test E/30mg Dbol
wks 11-18: 500mg Test E (need d-bol here as well)
wks 19-20: 250mg Test E

PCT
wks 21-24 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 50/50/25/25

I have Arimadex on hand just in case...

Where does the HCG come into play?? should I drop the clomid if i run HCG? I woud run clomid first 2 weeks and not use clomid but since you already have clomid might as well go ahead and use it up ifyou don't become an emotional wreck.

Also, would it make a difference if I kickstarted my cycle with Dbol for the FIRST 4 wks rather add for the second reload?You need to run d-bol 8 weeks to make maximum gains not 4!

Thank you very much!!

Doc

above