You'll want to read this!

[Archangel.]

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I'm confused here Ron. I'm cutting right now and only taking in 1700-1800 cals/day, so are you saying I should reduce this number by 500 via carbs and fats while PCTing and natural??? Wouldn't I catabolize big time? I just want to hold on to what I've gained till I get to my next blast. I was under the assumption that I would have to INCREASE cals, as I no longer have the test assisting my muscle mass to not catabolize (and even grow a bit) while I am currently consuming the 1700-1800/day. This number is already about 400 cals below my TDEE. Can you clear this up please

[delta1111]

Thanks for the reply Ronnie,
There are a few different substances that I can get hold of, i'm just struggling to get hold of trenbolone at the moment. Can you give me some choices of what you would consider to be a good substitue for trenbolone, to use with test 400 and winstrol? It would also be great if you could list in some kind of order from best to worst alternative so I know what to look out for. There's no specific order as everyone reacts differently to each drug. With test/winstrol I would use 3-400 mgs of deca along side to keep joints healthy. Winstrol can be hard on the joints!Please also consider that this will be a cutting reload.
Kindest regards.

Thanks Ronnie,
The reload I was planning to do before I found out I could'nt get hold of the tren was Test at 1,400mg per week, Trenbolone 600mg per week and Winstrol at 50mg per day. I have worked my way up to this dosage from previous reloads, so considering I was going to be taking 600mg of tren per week, would your reccommendation of 3-400mg of Deca be enough or should I be taking more? Also, I can get hold of anabol tablets, would it be worth getting some of these or will it be to hard on my liver with the Winstrol? What would I dose the anabols at per day if ok to use?
Thanks again Ronnie.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Archangel.;5195484].

I'm confused here Ron. I'm cutting right now and only taking in 1700-1800 cals/day, so are you saying I should reduce this number by 500 via carbs and fats while PCTing and natural??? Wouldn't I catabolize big time? I just want to hold on to what I've gained till I get to my next blast. I was under the assumption that I would have to INCREASE cals, as I no longer have the test assisting my muscle mass to not catabolize (and even grow a bit) while I am currently consuming the 1700-1800/day. This number is already about 400 cals below my TDEE. Can you clear this up please. Everyone gains body fat and loses some muscle when they come off-hence the reason some take clen. You can stay with the same amount of calories or less but increasing them will only add fat![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks Ronnie,
The reload I was planning to do before I found out I could'nt get hold of the tren was Test at 1,400mg per week, Trenbolone 600mg per week and Winstrol at 50mg per day. I have worked my way up to this dosage from previous reloads, so considering I was going to be taking 600mg of tren per week, would your reccommendation of 3-400mg of Deca be enough or should I be taking more? If you take more deca than 3-400 mgs per week your sex drive will suffer so I say no! Also, I can get hold of anabol tablets, would it be worth getting some of these or will it be to hard on my liver with the Winstrol? I would not fool with anabol. What would I dose the anabols at per day if ok to use?
Thanks again Ronnie.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Coca Cola;5195065]Wow, thats a really short list.. That's all you take? Just fish oil and joint supps? Not even vitamins? I only take viamins when dieting down for a show. I eat right so I do not need them!



This is interesting.. How do you eat your liquid egg whites btw? Is it raw and just mixed it with the whey? Or you mixed them up then cooked it? I get them from walmart really cheap and drink them raw. Just mix them with a scoop of whey in a glass. Use a spoon to stir them and it's good. I add some chunky smart balance peanut butter at night for a desert![/QUOTE]ABOVE

[delta1111]

I would not fool with anabol.

Could you please elaborate on this please Ronnie?

[Archangel.]

Hey Ron, just thought you might like to see the kind of progress I've made using your slingshot method. This photo was taken at the 7 week mark into my first 8 week reload. Thanks for all your sound advice!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5194961]

ronnie...this thread just keeps getting.... better....better!!! a few question....why does tren-e decrease odds of getting the nasty tren cough in comparison to tren-a? I think tren enanthate is mostly made from powder where as tren ace is often made from pellets. I have seen a strong correlation for pellets causing tren cough upon injecting and increasing breathing difficulty more so then tren enanthate when doing cardio. Also, I think tren enanthate increases prostaglandins less and this helps with breathing. Glute shots with tren ace also have a tendecy to cause severe tren cough where as upper body injections lessen it to a large degree in many cases.. QUOTE]above

guess ill keep paying more for tren-e.....what you say has been true for this brother....damn tren cough near killed me once...no shit..thought i was going to die...!!!!....!!!!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

Hey Ron, just thought you might like to see the kind of progress I've made using your slingshot method. This photo was taken at the 7 week mark into my first 8 week reload. Thanks for all your sound advice!

young one..nice gains....just look at those gunz!!!

not gonna post my pics but my gains have been out of this world..not sure if it be..slingshot training..cycling..diet...or all the bove..i just know ronnie has taught me more legit shit for free than the sum of all trainers i paid money to on line....hell..i have been trained by 2 pros that seemingly knew much less...what a waste of cash...ronnie is a true gent in my book...

[Ronnie Rowland]

Could you please elaborate on this please Ronnie?

It's only because I have never had "anyone" say anything positive about anabol. I would go with more mainstream anabolics if it were me because of the few people I know that used it said it was a waste of cash!

[Coca Cola]

This thread really flies lately, already up to page 25.. wow! No doubt that this thread is truly a great wealth of knowledge that everybody can benefit from!

Thank you so much to Ronnie for creating this thread and sparing his valuable time to help all of us!

[delta1111]

It's only because I have never had "anyone" say anything positive about anabol. I would go with more mainstream anabolics if it were me because of the few people I know that used it said it was a waste of cash!

Hello again Ronnie,
I'm talking about Dianabol, these are the same thing right?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=delta1111;5196275]Hello again Ronnie,
I'm talking about Dianabol, these are the same thing right? The anabol I am talking about is nothing like d-bol! Anabol is much weaker and with this drug there is no water retention . D-bol aromatizes and is quite strong. D-bol would work great at 25-50 mgs per day for an 8 week reload./QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, just thought you might like to see the kind of progress I've made using your slingshot method. This photo was taken at the 7 week mark into my first 8 week reload. Thanks for all your sound advice!

I can see the difference! Hard work is paying-off.

[Archangel.]

Ron, what's the best shoulder routine for developing a nice round boulder look to the shoulders and also width? I struggle with my shoulder routine the most and am not as structured with it as I am with the other body parts, thanks

Also, best exercise to develop the upper chest?

Best exercise to develop the lateral head of the triceps?

Best exercise for back width?

Thanks again!

[Jumbo18]

Hey Ronnie,
so i was planning on running your 20 week sling shot cycle with reloading and deloading phase, though I was insufficient in funds at the time , and wasn't able to grab my full cycle until 1 month later after i finished my previous cycle. The cycle I finished 1 month ago was test e 400mg/week, and now I have 20 sustanon amps (250mg/ml), and 30 deca (100mg/ml) amps ready. I was originally going to run 10 week of 500mg/week sus, and 300mg/week deca. Since that is already higher dosage than my first cycle and another compound, will I be able to run it now and notice maximum gains with my nutrition, excercise, and sleep in order? Shall I stick to 10 week cycle at the original dose, or change it around so it would be weeks 1-4 sus 500mg and deca 300mg and weeks 4-8 sus 750mg and deca 400mg. What is your opininion? Stick at 10 week with original plan and maybe increase deca dosage to 400mg to finish a week before the sus at 9 weeks, or how shall I modify it to gain maximum amount of mass after I finished a cycle a month ago. I am on hrt btw and my stats are currently 190lbs 5"10 14.5% bodyfat so I don't need massive ammounts of gear yet.

[delta1111]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5196432]

Hello again Ronnie,
I'm talking about Dianabol, these are the same thing right? The anabol I am talking about is nothing like d-bol! Anabol is much weaker and with this drug there is no water retention . D-bol aromatizes and is quite strong. D-bol would work great at 25-50 mgs per day for an 8 week reload./QUOTE]above

So would the d-bol be ok to use with 1,400mg of test per week, 5-600mg of tren per week and 50mg of winstrol per day? Or would you say this is to much with the d-bol and should drop 1?

[Indian Muscle]

This thread really flies lately, already up to page 25.. wow! No doubt that this thread is truly a great wealth of knowledge that everybody can benefit from!

Thank you so much to Ronnie for creating this thread and sparing his valuable time to help all of us!

+1 to this, Just rated the thread 5 star!

[Yellow]

Hi ronnie,

I am in the middle of week 8 reload. This is my last week of first reload. I have gained 7.5lbs while losing 3% of body fat.
This slingshot method is very great man...

I am planning to do 10 weeks OFF (8 weeks reload + 2 weeks deload naturally) after having done this 20 weeks slingshot cycle and then recommence again.
It means 4 weeks PCT + 6 weeks time OFF. Does it sound good?
Since I want kids in the future, do I need more time OFF?
Maybe 4 weeks PCT + 8-10 weeks OFF?

Also regarding HCG, I read somewhere in the primordial performance's HCG article that it shouldn't be used for too long. If someone do a cycle for more than 12 weeks i.e 20 weeks, then HCG usage should be stopped for 2 weeks after 10 weeks mark then we can use it again. Does it necessary to do?
What do you think of it, ronnie?
I am using it for week 2-20 (300IU twice per week).
Does it make any LH desensitization or leydig cells damage? (due to prolonged use of HCG)

I am now 11% body fat, it makes me more difficult when injecting HCG sub-q because the fat layer become thinner. I became single digit percentage of body fat a year ago but I didn't use any HCG at all...
What am I supposed to do if my bodyfat down to single digit? Should I stick to abdominal fat or you have any other sites to give it sub-q?

One more thing, about Formestane. Is it suppressive, man?
I took estro xtreme from ACL (50mg per cap) for 6 weeks 300/300/200/200/100/100 in OFF time after having done the PCT. I felt it acted like mild anabolic and it hardened me a lot, but my joints suffered too (when using 300mg a day)...
I still have many leftover caps and suffice to do 300/300/200/200/100/100 again after this PCT. What do you think of it? Does it sound bad?

Sorry for asking lots of questions.
Many thanks, ronnie...

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron, what's the best shoulder routine for developing a nice round boulder look to the shoulders and also width? I struggle with my shoulder routine the most and am not as structured with it as i am with the other body parts, thanks don't get caught up in using too much weight for starters but constant tension throughout each repetition.
Most people use way too much weight using momentum and body english.rather focus on feeling your shoulder muscles work as hard as possible using

dumbbell presses 4 sets for anterior and medial
standing/leaning uni-lateral, lateral raises 4 sets for medial
reverse flyes using a cable station 4 sets for posterior
also,
best exercise to develop the upper chest? 15 degeee incline dumbbell presses and 15 degree incline presses on smith machine using medium grip. Dropping the seat down very low on wide iso hammer chest press works good as well.

Best exercise to develop the lateral head of the triceps? tricep pushdowns using a bar
best exercise for back width? medium/widge grip pullowns (grip where lat bar start to curve) and close grip pulldowns using a grip so that palms are facing one another. Again, use less weight and better form to make lats do the work.
thanks again!

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=delta1111;5197011]

So would the d-bol be ok to use with 1,400mg of test per week, 5-600mg of tren per week and 50mg of winstrol per day? NO, THAT'S OVERKILL! Or would you say this is to much with the d-bol and should drop 1? YES, USE ONLY 1 ORAL AT A TIME!

ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Jumbo18;5196863]Hey Ronnie,
so i was planning on running your 20 week sling shot cycle with reloading and deloading phase, though I was insufficient in funds at the time , and wasn't able to grab my full cycle until 1 month later after i finished my previous cycle. The cycle I finished 1 month ago was test e 400mg/week, and now I have 20 sustanon amps (250mg/ml), and 30 deca (100mg/ml) amps ready. I was originally going to run 10 week of 500mg/week sus, and 300mg/week deca. Since that is already higher dosage than my first cycle and another compound, will I be able to run it now and notice maximum gains with my nutrition, excercise, and sleep in order? YOU SHOULD DO FINE. YOU'LL MAKE GAINS BUT MAXIMAL GAINS ARE MADE FROM USING VERY HIGH DOSAGES FOR LENGTHY PERIODS OF TIME AND I ONLY ENDORSE SUCH FOR ADVANCED COMPETITORS. Shall I stick to 10 week cycle at the original dose, or change it around so it would be weeks 1-4 sus 500mg and deca 300mg and weeks 4-8 sus 750mg and deca 400mg. KEEP TEST/DECA DOSAGES THE SAME THROUGHOUT ENTIRE 8 WEEK RELOAD THEN DELAOD FOR 2 WEEK USING ONLY 250 MGS OF TEST ALONE. What is your opininion? Stick at 10 week with original plan and maybe increase deca dosage to 400mg to finish a week before the sus at 9 weeks, or how shall I modify it to gain maximum amount of mass after I finished a cycle a month ago. I am on hrt btw and my stats are currently 190lbs 5"10 14.5% bodyfat so I don't need massive ammounts of gear yet. IMO NO NEED IN STARTING A CYCLE UNTIL YOU CAN DO IT FOR 20 WEEKS AND GET MAXIMAL RESULTS. I BELIEVE IN DOING THINGS RIGHT OR NOT DOING THEM AT ALL. WAIT AND SAVE YOUR MONEY IF NEED BE![/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Archangel.]

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For the 15 degree incline dumbbell presses, just I rotate my palms inward on the way up?

Use the standard for throughout?

Or, use a hammer grip? (palms facing inward)

[Ronnie Rowland]

For the 15 degree incline dumbbell presses, just I rotate my palms inward on the way up?

Use the standard for throughout?

Or, use a hammer grip? (palms facing inward) Honestly, all 3 variations can work so experiment to find which way works the upper chest best for your body type. My personal preference would be to use the method where palms are rotated inward on way up if performed after doing some 15 degree incline barbell presses using a smith machine. If only dumbbell presses are used then I would go with standard method. The hammer grip would be my least favorite as I do not care for them.

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[Archangel.]

I forgot to ask Ron, what range of motion should I use for either the incline DB press or the incline smith press? Touch chest? A couple inches above? My pecs aren't very flexible for incline presses, but if you say so, I will be sure to use full range of motion and touch chest

Thank you

[Ronnie Rowland]

I forgot to ask Ron, what range of motion should I use for either the incline DB press or the incline smith press? Touch chest? Touch the chest as long as you do not have rotator cuff problems. A couple inches above? My pecs aren't very flexible for incline presses, but if you say so, I will be sure to use full range of motion and touch chest Full-range of motion is best for maximal muscle growth just make sure and warm up properly and bring bar high on chest but not to neck as this puts too much stress on rotator cuff and anterior shoulder capsule.
Thank you

above

[Coca Cola]

Ronnie

Just a quick question, what is the rep-range when doing cable crossover during reload?

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,

i am in the middle of week 8 reload. This is my last week of first reload. I have gained 7.5lbs while losing 3% of body fat.
This slingshot method is very great man...i am very happy for your progress. Nice work indeed!

i am planning to do 10 weeks off (8 weeks reload + 2 weeks deload naturally) after having done this 20 weeks slingshot cycle and then recommence again.
It means 4 weeks pct + 6 weeks time off. Does it sound good? yes
since i want kids in the future, do i need more time off?
Maybe 4 weeks pct + 8-10 weeks off? it wouldn't hurt to go off for 8 weeks to be on the safe-side!
also regarding hcg, i read somewhere in the primordial performance's hcg article that it shouldn't be used for too long. If someone do a cycle for more than 12 weeks i.e 20 weeks, then hcg usage should be stopped for 2 weeks after 10 weeks mark then we can use it again. Does it necessary to do? i would
what do you think of it, ronnie?
I am using it for week 2-20 (300iu twice per week).
Does it make any lh desensitization or leydig cells damage? (due to prolonged use of hcg)that low of dose should not but if you stay on it year round (non-stop) it's not a good thing imo and could cause some problems for some in the future but most still seem to do okay if dosages are low

i am now 11% body fat, it makes me more difficult when injecting hcg sub-q because the fat layer become thinner. I became single digit percentage of body fat a year ago but i didn't use any hcg at all...
What am i supposed to do if my bodyfat down to single digit? Should i stick to abdominal fat or you have any other sites to give it sub-q? i would stick to ab fat until you get below around 6%
one more thing, about formestane. Is it suppressive, man? yes!
i took estro xtreme from acl (50mg per cap) for 6 weeks 300/300/200/200/100/100 in off time after having done the pct. I felt it acted like mild anabolic and it hardened me a lot, but my joints suffered too (when using 300mg a day)...it can dry some out like winstrol and eq
i still have many leftover caps and suffice to do 300/300/200/200/100/100 again after this pct. What do you think of it? Does it sound bad? you can but it's going to shut you down like a real anabolic steroid
sorry for asking lots of questions.not a problem it's what i am here for.
Many thanks, ronnie...

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie

just a quick question, what is the rep-range when doing cable crossover during reload?

10-15 is best

[Coca Cola]

10-15 is best

Thank you!

[Ronnie Rowland]

my gains have been out of this world..not sure if it be..slingshot training..cycling..diet...or all the bove..i just know ronnie has taught me more legit shit for free than the sum of all trainers i paid money to on line....hell..i have been trained by 2 pros that seemingly knew much less...what a waste of cash...ronnie is a true gent in my book...

I truly appreciate the props and the maturity level everyone has displayed in this thread. Please keep in mind this thread is not about me, it's about you! I want to help out board members to the best of my ability free of charge. Please do not pm me asking to pay money for one on one help because that's not what my participation on this board is about. I continue getting pms from members wanting to pay me for one on one services. I truly appreciate the thought, but just wanted to make it known that am here to provide a free service to those in need. I've been paid money over the past 25 years for being a personal trainer. This board helps me unwind from work! The last thing I want is more stress /work which often occurs when money is involved.

Thanks to everyone,
Ronnie

[Archangel.]

Thanks goes to you Ronnie for helping all of us out from the kindness of your heart.
When is your book coming out?! I desperately want to purchase it, and will receommend it to EVERYONE.

You mentioned to me before that during time off from all aas, some opt to take clen to help preserve their gains. At what dosage?

Also, since your book isn't out yet, is there some way I can save this whole thread to my CPU? It's the most informative thing I've ever read regarding BB and AAS.

One last thing Ron. How does one become successful as a trainer?? I'm about to start college for athlete and sport training/conditioning and would love to make a successful career out of it as you seem to have, thanks

[The Observer]

Originally Posted by The Observer View Post
Hey Ron, you helped out with my reload and now I came to my deload stage today. For my reload phase, I'll be running Tren A (50mg ED for first week and 75mg ED for the next seven) plus Test E ( trying to figure out if I should use 600mg or 750mg...will work it out).

I hear that Tren really shuts you down. With Reload/Deload, what do you suggest when I come to deload crossroad on week 18? PCT for 2 weeks and get back on and reload or do you recommend something else. I seen you that you recommend a 4 week PCT for beginners after a 20 week reload/deload, would that be enough after Tren use? YES 4 WEEKS IS GOOD BUT 6-8 WEEKS WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE CHANCES with reproductive system. Honestly, I'd like to get back into blasting soon as possible but also be safe. I would do 6 weeks off including 4 weeks PCT then start reloading again. Here is what my cycle looks like. One more question, I have some T3/Clen/Keto sitting here. I'd like to get some fat shredded off before the summer comes around. Should I use it somewhere in my reload phase or should I save for next blast? I would do a lean bulk during the first 10 week Slingshot phase, then do a cut during the second 10 week Slingshot Phase. Add in clen/t-3 during second 10 week Slingshot phase. Keto is not required with clen. Simply start at 40 mcgs of clen per day and increase by 20 mcgs every 2 weeks. Do not exceed 120 mcgs for 2 weeks!
Thank so much in advance!


Reload:
Week 1-8: TEST E 500mg
Week 1-8: Deca 400mg
Week 1-4: D-BOL 40mg ED
Week 5-8: Winstrol 100 EOD
Week 1-8: Letro 1.25mg EOD

Deload: (I am on day one right now)
Week 1-2: TEST E 250mg one shot weekly
Week 1-2: Letro 1.25mg EOD

Reload:
Week 1-8: TEST E 600-750mg
Week 1-8: Tren A (50ED first week and then 75ED after)
Week 1-8: Cabergoline 0.5mg E3D
Week 1-8: Letro 1.25mg EOD
Week 4-8: HCG 250 IU Twice a week (LOOKS GOOD but need more HCG and it needs to be ran for only 2 weeks. !)
Deload:
I need your help here buddy. I don't know to go in a 2 week bridge or a 2 week pct or a 4 week pct....or something more drastic? Are you a competitor? Whats your age? Do you want kids?

I quoted our conversation on top.


Well first I wanted to say thank you Ron, you really have been a mentor and I appreciate everything you told me. I'm nearly at the end of my 20 week reload/deload. I can tell you that it's been one hell of a journey and it changed my life in so many positive ways.

I had some questions for you. Since you told me to stay off for 8 weeks (4 weeks pct)before I reload with AAS ...hopefully not damage my goods... I am looking to have more kids at some point. Would you not recommend for me to get back on Trenbolone when I finally reload? If I could, when do you think I should introduce it in the cycle, 1-8weeks or 10-18weeks? I must be lucky, I didn't get any of the bad sides except some aggression. So I can handle it at 75mg a day. Second question is, do you think my PCT is g2g? I just want your opinion on it. BTW, I did add Winstrol (oral at 50mg a day for the last 4 weeks) and only used the clen for 2 weeks, it gave me crazy muscle cramps and spasms regardless of my water intake so I said screw it. Just wanted you to have all details. Here is my pct.

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HCG - 1000 IU /each day for the first ten days.
Clomid - 300mg first day and 100mg for the rest of the month
Nolvadex - 40mg for 3 weeks and 20mg for the last week
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Third question, I upped my Test to 875mg/weekly the last three weeks of my cycle, for some reason I noticed I wasn't responding that well to 750mg/weekly (i dont know if its my body or if the test was underdosed) and it made a big difference. So if I start reloading in 8-10 weeks....what kind of dosage will I have to deal with? What would you do?

Again, thank you.

[Yellow]

above

Many thanks, ron...
You are the man

[Yellow]

I truly appreciate the props and the maturity level everyone has displayed in this thread. Please keep in mind this thread is not about me, it's about you! I want to help out board members to the best of my ability free of charge. Please do not pm me asking to pay money for one on one help because that's not what my participation on this board is about. I continue getting pms from members wanting to pay me for one on one services. I truly appreciate the thought, but just wanted to make it known that am here to provide a free service to those in need. I've been paid money over the past 25 years for being a personal trainer. This board helps me unwind from work! The last thing I want is more stress /work which often occurs when money is involved.

Thanks to everyone,
Ronnie

Wow...
That's very kind of you, ron..

God bless you and family...

[asto_86]

Hi ronnie,

I am in the middle of week 8 reload. This is my last week of first reload. I have gained 7.5lbs while losing 3% of body fat.
This slingshot method is very great man...

Great work man!! Would you mind telling what you used for this first reload?

[ricky23]

I truly appreciate the props and the maturity level everyone has displayed in this thread. Please keep in mind this thread is not about me, it's about you! I want to help out board members to the best of my ability free of charge. Please do not pm me asking to pay money for one on one help because that's not what my participation on this board is about. I continue getting pms from members wanting to pay me for one on one services. I truly appreciate the thought, but just wanted to make it known that am here to provide a free service to those in need. I've been paid money over the past 25 years for being a personal trainer. This board helps me unwind from work! The last thing I want is more stress /work which often occurs when money is involved.

Thanks to everyone,
Ronnie

you really are a great guy ronnie! really appreicate everything you're doing here!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...? concerning folks with lower disk problems... seeing you are experienced in this field..how to build it up..if cannot do hyper-ext or deads????

[VASCULAR VINCE]

is counting calories.... or... food combinations best way to achieve weight loss???

[VASCULAR VINCE]

some say growth hormone is way overrated..your thoughts please!!!