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[Ronnie Rowland]

When you say take 8-10 weeks off betwenn blasts, does that INCLUDE the 4 weeks of PCT, so it would go:

weeks 21/22/23/24=PCT
weeks 25/26/27/28=No AAS/No PCT (assuming an 8 week break)

OR

weeks 21/22/23/24=PCT
weeks 25/26/27/28/29/30/31/32=No AAS/No PCT (assuming an 8 week break) The above version can work but to be on the safe-side go with this one
I just want to be very clear on this. From what I think I remember reading earlier in this thread, I think you mean the former, but you tell me.

would rAlso, how should I adjust my training, and most importantly my diet during PCT as well as the time off. Decrease daily calories by 500 per day by way of carbs and/orf ats and reduce sets by 2-4 per body part .My go would reduce al would be to try to not lose what I've gained. I'm cutting now, but I'm thinking I should stop that during PCT and increase Macros slightly so I don't catabolize. Could you please instruct me on what I should do during these times, thank you

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...this thread just keeps getting.... better....better!!! a few question....why does tren-e decrease odds of getting the nasty tren cough in comparison to tren-a?

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie..this makes no sense..please explain...why do so many people say to stop using test-e 4 weeks out from a show.... if the active life is only 7-8 days??? wouldnt keeping in test-e until 10-14 days out help preserve muscle... and still give ample time for water to be gone bye bye???? kinda confused bigron!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...how much faster does test propionate kick in than test enanthate???some on this site are saying it takes up to 3 weeks before test-e to kick in.. while prop takes only a day???correct???

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie....wouldn't it be counter productive to do a massive shit load before pre-judging??? would not this cause a distented belly?????

[VASCULAR VINCE]

one last question bigron...is it growth hormone..insulin..eating tons of food..that causes the distented gut of most heavy weights these days..and do you prefer this look or the 80's look???

[Ronnie Rowland]

one last question bigron...is it growth hormone..insulin..eating tons of food..that causes the distented gut of most heavy weights these days..and do you prefer this look or the 80's look???

All of the above in the following order:

1) Overeating- as it permanently stretches out the fascia in the stomach-hence causing the abs to become permanently separated. Only a plastic surgeon can fix this problem once it occurs.

2) Insulin

3) GH

NOTE: The bodybuilder's of the 1980's looked much better in my opinion. Today's over sized legs and distended guts is not appealing too me. It takes away from the upper body (beach muscles) that attracted most of us to the sport to begin with.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie....wouldn't it be counter productive to do a massive shit load before pre-judging??? would not this cause a distented belly?????

Only a small one is best for most people because a lot of food is going to cause your belly to swell.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie....wouldn't it be counter productive to do a massive shit load before pre-judging??? would not this cause a distented belly?????Only one small sized load is best for most people because a lot of food is going to cause their belly to swell.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie...how much faster does test propionate kick in than test enanthate???i think you are confused my friend. Test prop actually kicks in slower than test enanthate not the other way around. What prop does is clear your system sooner but it kicks in slower than enanthate. some on this site are saying it takes up to 3 weeks before test-e to kick in.. Not true! But, it can take that long for some to begin feeling the full-effects while prop takes only a day???correct???
Testosterone propionate: Maximal testosterone levels in the supraphysiological range where seen 14 hours after injection!

Test enanthate or cypionate: Maximal range where seen "only" 10 hours after injection!

Reference from the book Testosterone Action Deficiency Substitution 2nd edition, Chapter 11 Comparative pharmacokinetics of testosterone esters page 333 and page 335.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie..this makes no sense..please explain...why do so many people say to stop using test-e 4 weeks out from a show....It's because their logic is misconscrewed somewhat! They often switch over to test prop doing frequent painful injections, thinking it will somehow cause less water retention but that's not the case! Test is test! if the active life is only 7-8 days??? wouldnt keeping in test-e until 10-14 days out help preserve muscle...I would think the smartest bodybuilders would. Why remove the very compound so early in the prep that made you big/hard to begin with!? and still give ample time for water to be gone bye bye???? kinda confused bigron! Test Enanthate has an active life of 8 days so the water bloat will begin to leave starting day nine. Test prop has an active life of 2 days so the water bloat will begin to leave by day 3. So, it makes no difference which test you use before a show given you stop it soon enough to allow water retention to subside. Also, when using letro at 2.5 mgs per day there would be little to no water retention to begin with as the letro basically turns all forms of test into a non-aromatizing steroid.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;5194755]ronnie...this thread just keeps getting.... better....better!!! a few question....why does tren-e decrease odds of getting the nasty tren cough in comparison to tren-a? I think tren enanthate is mostly made from powder where as tren ace is often made from pellets. I have seen a strong correlation for pellets causing tren cough upon injecting and increasing breathing difficulty more so then tren enanthate when doing cardio. Also, I think tren enanthate increases prostaglandins less and this helps with breathing. Glute shots with tren ace also have a tendecy to cause severe tren cough where as upper body injections lessen it to a large degree in many cases.. QUOTE]above

[VASCULAR VINCE]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5194961]

ronnie...this thread just keeps getting.... better....better!!! a few question....why does tren-e decrease odds of getting the nasty tren cough in comparison to tren-a? I think tren enanthate is mostly made from powder where as tren ace is often made from pellets. I have seen a strong correlation for pellets causing tren cough upon injecting and increasing breathing difficulty more so then tren enanthate when doing cardio. Also, I think tren enanthate increases prostaglandins less and this helps with breathing. Glute shots with tren ace also have a tendecy to cause severe tren cough where as upper body injections lessen it to a large degree in many cases.. QUOTE]above

guess ill keep paying more for tren-e.....what you say has been true for this brother....damn tren cough near killed me once...no shit..thought i was going to die...!!!!....!!!!

[Archangel.]

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I'm confused here Ron. I'm cutting right now and only taking in 1700-1800 cals/day, so are you saying I should reduce this number by 500 via carbs and fats while PCTing and natural??? Wouldn't I catabolize big time? I just want to hold on to what I've gained till I get to my next blast. I was under the assumption that I would have to INCREASE cals, as I no longer have the test assisting my muscle mass to not catabolize (and even grow a bit) while I am currently consuming the 1700-1800/day. This number is already about 400 cals below my TDEE. Can you clear this up please

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Archangel.;5195484].

I'm confused here Ron. I'm cutting right now and only taking in 1700-1800 cals/day, so are you saying I should reduce this number by 500 via carbs and fats while PCTing and natural??? Wouldn't I catabolize big time? I just want to hold on to what I've gained till I get to my next blast. I was under the assumption that I would have to INCREASE cals, as I no longer have the test assisting my muscle mass to not catabolize (and even grow a bit) while I am currently consuming the 1700-1800/day. This number is already about 400 cals below my TDEE. Can you clear this up please. Everyone gains body fat and loses some muscle when they come off-hence the reason some take clen. You can stay with the same amount of calories or less but increasing them will only add fat![/QUOTE]above

[Archangel.]

Hey Ron, just thought you might like to see the kind of progress I've made using your slingshot method. This photo was taken at the 7 week mark into my first 8 week reload. Thanks for all your sound advice!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

Hey Ron, just thought you might like to see the kind of progress I've made using your slingshot method. This photo was taken at the 7 week mark into my first 8 week reload. Thanks for all your sound advice!

young one..nice gains....just look at those gunz!!!

not gonna post my pics but my gains have been out of this world..not sure if it be..slingshot training..cycling..diet...or all the bove..i just know ronnie has taught me more legit shit for free than the sum of all trainers i paid money to on line....hell..i have been trained by 2 pros that seemingly knew much less...what a waste of cash...ronnie is a true gent in my book...

[Coca Cola]

This thread really flies lately, already up to page 25.. wow! No doubt that this thread is truly a great wealth of knowledge that everybody can benefit from!

Thank you so much to Ronnie for creating this thread and sparing his valuable time to help all of us!

[Indian Muscle]

This thread really flies lately, already up to page 25.. wow! No doubt that this thread is truly a great wealth of knowledge that everybody can benefit from!

Thank you so much to Ronnie for creating this thread and sparing his valuable time to help all of us!

+1 to this, Just rated the thread 5 star!

[Ronnie Rowland]

my gains have been out of this world..not sure if it be..slingshot training..cycling..diet...or all the bove..i just know ronnie has taught me more legit shit for free than the sum of all trainers i paid money to on line....hell..i have been trained by 2 pros that seemingly knew much less...what a waste of cash...ronnie is a true gent in my book...

I truly appreciate the props and the maturity level everyone has displayed in this thread. Please keep in mind this thread is not about me, it's about you! I want to help out board members to the best of my ability free of charge. Please do not pm me asking to pay money for one on one help because that's not what my participation on this board is about. I continue getting pms from members wanting to pay me for one on one services. I truly appreciate the thought, but just wanted to make it known that am here to provide a free service to those in need. I've been paid money over the past 25 years for being a personal trainer. This board helps me unwind from work! The last thing I want is more stress /work which often occurs when money is involved.

Thanks to everyone,
Ronnie

[Archangel.]

Thanks goes to you Ronnie for helping all of us out from the kindness of your heart.
When is your book coming out?! I desperately want to purchase it, and will receommend it to EVERYONE.

You mentioned to me before that during time off from all aas, some opt to take clen to help preserve their gains. At what dosage?

Also, since your book isn't out yet, is there some way I can save this whole thread to my CPU? It's the most informative thing I've ever read regarding BB and AAS.

One last thing Ron. How does one become successful as a trainer?? I'm about to start college for athlete and sport training/conditioning and would love to make a successful career out of it as you seem to have, thanks

[Yellow]

I truly appreciate the props and the maturity level everyone has displayed in this thread. Please keep in mind this thread is not about me, it's about you! I want to help out board members to the best of my ability free of charge. Please do not pm me asking to pay money for one on one help because that's not what my participation on this board is about. I continue getting pms from members wanting to pay me for one on one services. I truly appreciate the thought, but just wanted to make it known that am here to provide a free service to those in need. I've been paid money over the past 25 years for being a personal trainer. This board helps me unwind from work! The last thing I want is more stress /work which often occurs when money is involved.

Thanks to everyone,
Ronnie

Wow...
That's very kind of you, ron..

God bless you and family...

[ricky23]

I truly appreciate the props and the maturity level everyone has displayed in this thread. Please keep in mind this thread is not about me, it's about you! I want to help out board members to the best of my ability free of charge. Please do not pm me asking to pay money for one on one help because that's not what my participation on this board is about. I continue getting pms from members wanting to pay me for one on one services. I truly appreciate the thought, but just wanted to make it known that am here to provide a free service to those in need. I've been paid money over the past 25 years for being a personal trainer. This board helps me unwind from work! The last thing I want is more stress /work which often occurs when money is involved.

Thanks to everyone,
Ronnie

you really are a great guy ronnie! really appreicate everything you're doing here!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, just thought you might like to see the kind of progress I've made using your slingshot method. This photo was taken at the 7 week mark into my first 8 week reload. Thanks for all your sound advice!

I can see the difference! Hard work is paying-off.

[Archangel.]

Ron, what's the best shoulder routine for developing a nice round boulder look to the shoulders and also width? I struggle with my shoulder routine the most and am not as structured with it as I am with the other body parts, thanks

Also, best exercise to develop the upper chest?

Best exercise to develop the lateral head of the triceps?

Best exercise for back width?

Thanks again!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron, what's the best shoulder routine for developing a nice round boulder look to the shoulders and also width? I struggle with my shoulder routine the most and am not as structured with it as i am with the other body parts, thanks don't get caught up in using too much weight for starters but constant tension throughout each repetition.
Most people use way too much weight using momentum and body english.rather focus on feeling your shoulder muscles work as hard as possible using

dumbbell presses 4 sets for anterior and medial
standing/leaning uni-lateral, lateral raises 4 sets for medial
reverse flyes using a cable station 4 sets for posterior
also,
best exercise to develop the upper chest? 15 degeee incline dumbbell presses and 15 degree incline presses on smith machine using medium grip. Dropping the seat down very low on wide iso hammer chest press works good as well.

Best exercise to develop the lateral head of the triceps? tricep pushdowns using a bar
best exercise for back width? medium/widge grip pullowns (grip where lat bar start to curve) and close grip pulldowns using a grip so that palms are facing one another. Again, use less weight and better form to make lats do the work.
thanks again!

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