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[Archangel.]

When you say take 8-10 weeks off betwenn blasts, does that INCLUDE the 4 weeks of PCT, so it would go:

weeks 21/22/23/24=PCT
weeks 25/26/27/28=No AAS/No PCT (assuming an 8 week break)

OR

weeks 21/22/23/24=PCT
weeks 25/26/27/28/29/30/31/32=No AAS/No PCT (assuming an 8 week break)

I just want to be very clear on this. From what I think I remember reading earlier in this thread, I think you mean the former, but you tell me.

Also, how should I adjust my training, and most importantly my diet during PCT as well as the time off. My goal would be to try to not lose what I've gained. I'm cutting now, but I'm thinking I should stop that during PCT and increase Macros slightly so I don't catabolize. Could you please instruct me on what I should do during these times, thank you

[Coca Cola]

Ronnie

When I first starting out the bodybuilding lifestyle, I used to try out all kind of supplements, thinking that they will get me big and ripped, but then I realize what matter is training and diet (and steroids.. lol).. Now I consider most of supps are just a total waste of money.

Currently I don't use a lot of supps, in the morning I usually take ACES vitamins consist of (25000iu of beta-carotene, 500mg vit-c, 400iu vit-e, and 100mcg of selenium) with some B-Complex vitamin, then on the evening I add some extra 500 mg of vit-c and some more B-Complex vitamin, so that's a total of 1000mg of vit-c per day (is that enough? I used to take 3000mg per day, but I'm not sure it was necessary to take that much and I don't notice anything different anyway, so I dropped it down to just 1000mg/day). On top of that I also take whey protein, and that's about it for the supplements that I used regularly.

Do you think what I'm taking is sufficient? Are there any other things you would add to that list that you think is pretty crucial? I don't really wanna waste money on things that are not really necessary, I rather allocate my funding to food and steroids.

What about you yourself? Can you list down what kind of supplements you use? I hope its not a long list..

[VASCULAR VINCE]

Ronnie

When I first starting out the bodybuilding lifestyle, I used to try out all kind of supplements, thinking that they will get me big and ripped, but then I realize what matter is training and diet (and steroids.. lol).. Now I consider most of supps are just a total waste of money.

Currently I don't use a lot of supps, in the morning I usually take ACES vitamins consist of (25000iu of beta-carotene, 500mg vit-c, 400iu vit-e, and 100mcg of selenium) with some B-Complex vitamin, then on the evening I add some extra 500 mg of vit-c and some more B-Complex vitamin, so that's a total of 1000mg of vit-c per day (is that enough? I used to take 3000mg per day, but I'm not sure it was necessary to take that much and I don't notice anything different anyway, so I dropped it down to just 1000mg/day). On top of that I also take whey protein, and that's about it for the supplements that I used regularly.

Do you think what I'm taking is sufficient? Are there any other things you would add to that list that you think is pretty crucial? I don't really wanna waste money on things that are not really necessary, I rather allocate my funding to food and steroids.

What about you yourself? Can you list down what kind of supplements you use? I hope its not a long list..

bump for ronnies answer about his supplement usage!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie

When I first starting out the bodybuilding lifestyle, I used to try out all kind of supplements, thinking that they will get me big and ripped, but then I realize what matter is training and diet (and steroids.. lol).. Now I consider most of supps are just a total waste of money.

Currently I don't use a lot of supps, in the morning I usually take ACES vitamins consist of (25000iu of beta-carotene, 500mg vit-c, 400iu vit-e, and 100mcg of selenium) with some B-Complex vitamin, then on the evening I add some extra 500 mg of vit-c and some more B-Complex vitamin, so that's a total of 1000mg of vit-c per day (is that enough? I used to take 3000mg per day, but I'm not sure it was necessary to take that much and I don't notice anything different anyway, so I dropped it down to just 1000mg/day). On top of that I also take whey protein, and that's about it for the supplements that I used regularly.

Do you think what I'm taking is sufficient? Are there any other things you would add to that list that you think is pretty crucial? I don't really wanna waste money on things that are not really necessary, I rather allocate my funding to food and steroids.

What about you yourself? Can you list down what kind of supplements you use? I hope its not a long list.. In all honesty, supplements have never done me any good. However, I do take 2 fish oil capsules daily and 1 cosamine-ds (chondrointon/glucosamine supplement). I will also mix one scoop of optimum nutrition whey isolate protein powder (cookies n cream flavor) in my liquid egg whites just for increasing the flavor.

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[Coca Cola]

I do take 2 fish oil capsules daily and 1 cosamine-ds (chondrointon/glucosamine supplement).

Wow, thats a really short list.. That's all you take? Just fish oil and joint supps? Not even vitamins?

I will also mix one scoop of optimum nutrition whey isolate protein powder (cookies n cream flavor) in my liquid egg whites just for increasing the flavor.

This is interesting.. How do you eat your liquid egg whites btw? Is it raw and just mixed it with the whey? Or you mixed them up then cooked it?

[ottomaddox]

Google: EggwhitesInternational. Liquid Pasteurized Egg Whites are completely safe to eat uncooked. Cooking them actually denatures the protein, so you don't get as much per dose.

This is interesting.. How do you eat your liquid egg whites btw? Is it raw and just mixed it with the whey? Or you mixed them up then cooked it?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Coca Cola;5195065]Wow, thats a really short list.. That's all you take? Just fish oil and joint supps? Not even vitamins? I only take viamins when dieting down for a show. I eat right so I do not need them!



This is interesting.. How do you eat your liquid egg whites btw? Is it raw and just mixed it with the whey? Or you mixed them up then cooked it? I get them from walmart really cheap and drink them raw. Just mix them with a scoop of whey in a glass. Use a spoon to stir them and it's good. I add some chunky smart balance peanut butter at night for a desert![/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

When you say take 8-10 weeks off betwenn blasts, does that INCLUDE the 4 weeks of PCT, so it would go:

weeks 21/22/23/24=PCT
weeks 25/26/27/28=No AAS/No PCT (assuming an 8 week break)

OR

weeks 21/22/23/24=PCT
weeks 25/26/27/28/29/30/31/32=No AAS/No PCT (assuming an 8 week break) The above version can work but to be on the safe-side go with this one
I just want to be very clear on this. From what I think I remember reading earlier in this thread, I think you mean the former, but you tell me.

would rAlso, how should I adjust my training, and most importantly my diet during PCT as well as the time off. Decrease daily calories by 500 per day by way of carbs and/orf ats and reduce sets by 2-4 per body part .My go would reduce al would be to try to not lose what I've gained. I'm cutting now, but I'm thinking I should stop that during PCT and increase Macros slightly so I don't catabolize. Could you please instruct me on what I should do during these times, thank you

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...this thread just keeps getting.... better....better!!! a few question....why does tren-e decrease odds of getting the nasty tren cough in comparison to tren-a?

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie..this makes no sense..please explain...why do so many people say to stop using test-e 4 weeks out from a show.... if the active life is only 7-8 days??? wouldnt keeping in test-e until 10-14 days out help preserve muscle... and still give ample time for water to be gone bye bye???? kinda confused bigron!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...how much faster does test propionate kick in than test enanthate???some on this site are saying it takes up to 3 weeks before test-e to kick in.. while prop takes only a day???correct???

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie....wouldn't it be counter productive to do a massive shit load before pre-judging??? would not this cause a distented belly?????

[VASCULAR VINCE]

one last question bigron...is it growth hormone..insulin..eating tons of food..that causes the distented gut of most heavy weights these days..and do you prefer this look or the 80's look???

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie....wouldn't it be counter productive to do a massive shit load before pre-judging??? would not this cause a distented belly?????

Only a small one is best for most people because a lot of food is going to cause your belly to swell.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie....wouldn't it be counter productive to do a massive shit load before pre-judging??? would not this cause a distented belly?????Only one small sized load is best for most people because a lot of food is going to cause their belly to swell.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie...how much faster does test propionate kick in than test enanthate???i think you are confused my friend. Test prop actually kicks in slower than test enanthate not the other way around. What prop does is clear your system sooner but it kicks in slower than enanthate. some on this site are saying it takes up to 3 weeks before test-e to kick in.. Not true! But, it can take that long for some to begin feeling the full-effects while prop takes only a day???correct???
Testosterone propionate: Maximal testosterone levels in the supraphysiological range where seen 14 hours after injection!

Test enanthate or cypionate: Maximal range where seen "only" 10 hours after injection!

Reference from the book Testosterone Action Deficiency Substitution 2nd edition, Chapter 11 Comparative pharmacokinetics of testosterone esters page 333 and page 335.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie..this makes no sense..please explain...why do so many people say to stop using test-e 4 weeks out from a show....It's because their logic is misconscrewed somewhat! They often switch over to test prop doing frequent painful injections, thinking it will somehow cause less water retention but that's not the case! Test is test! if the active life is only 7-8 days??? wouldnt keeping in test-e until 10-14 days out help preserve muscle...I would think the smartest bodybuilders would. Why remove the very compound so early in the prep that made you big/hard to begin with!? and still give ample time for water to be gone bye bye???? kinda confused bigron! Test Enanthate has an active life of 8 days so the water bloat will begin to leave starting day nine. Test prop has an active life of 2 days so the water bloat will begin to leave by day 3. So, it makes no difference which test you use before a show given you stop it soon enough to allow water retention to subside. Also, when using letro at 2.5 mgs per day there would be little to no water retention to begin with as the letro basically turns all forms of test into a non-aromatizing steroid.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;5194755]ronnie...this thread just keeps getting.... better....better!!! a few question....why does tren-e decrease odds of getting the nasty tren cough in comparison to tren-a? I think tren enanthate is mostly made from powder where as tren ace is often made from pellets. I have seen a strong correlation for pellets causing tren cough upon injecting and increasing breathing difficulty more so then tren enanthate when doing cardio. Also, I think tren enanthate increases prostaglandins less and this helps with breathing. Glute shots with tren ace also have a tendecy to cause severe tren cough where as upper body injections lessen it to a large degree in many cases.. QUOTE]above

[VASCULAR VINCE]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5194961]

ronnie...this thread just keeps getting.... better....better!!! a few question....why does tren-e decrease odds of getting the nasty tren cough in comparison to tren-a? I think tren enanthate is mostly made from powder where as tren ace is often made from pellets. I have seen a strong correlation for pellets causing tren cough upon injecting and increasing breathing difficulty more so then tren enanthate when doing cardio. Also, I think tren enanthate increases prostaglandins less and this helps with breathing. Glute shots with tren ace also have a tendecy to cause severe tren cough where as upper body injections lessen it to a large degree in many cases.. QUOTE]above

guess ill keep paying more for tren-e.....what you say has been true for this brother....damn tren cough near killed me once...no shit..thought i was going to die...!!!!....!!!!

[Archangel.]

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I'm confused here Ron. I'm cutting right now and only taking in 1700-1800 cals/day, so are you saying I should reduce this number by 500 via carbs and fats while PCTing and natural??? Wouldn't I catabolize big time? I just want to hold on to what I've gained till I get to my next blast. I was under the assumption that I would have to INCREASE cals, as I no longer have the test assisting my muscle mass to not catabolize (and even grow a bit) while I am currently consuming the 1700-1800/day. This number is already about 400 cals below my TDEE. Can you clear this up please

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Archangel.;5195484].

I'm confused here Ron. I'm cutting right now and only taking in 1700-1800 cals/day, so are you saying I should reduce this number by 500 via carbs and fats while PCTing and natural??? Wouldn't I catabolize big time? I just want to hold on to what I've gained till I get to my next blast. I was under the assumption that I would have to INCREASE cals, as I no longer have the test assisting my muscle mass to not catabolize (and even grow a bit) while I am currently consuming the 1700-1800/day. This number is already about 400 cals below my TDEE. Can you clear this up please. Everyone gains body fat and loses some muscle when they come off-hence the reason some take clen. You can stay with the same amount of calories or less but increasing them will only add fat![/QUOTE]above

[Archangel.]

Hey Ron, just thought you might like to see the kind of progress I've made using your slingshot method. This photo was taken at the 7 week mark into my first 8 week reload. Thanks for all your sound advice!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

Hey Ron, just thought you might like to see the kind of progress I've made using your slingshot method. This photo was taken at the 7 week mark into my first 8 week reload. Thanks for all your sound advice!

young one..nice gains....just look at those gunz!!!

not gonna post my pics but my gains have been out of this world..not sure if it be..slingshot training..cycling..diet...or all the bove..i just know ronnie has taught me more legit shit for free than the sum of all trainers i paid money to on line....hell..i have been trained by 2 pros that seemingly knew much less...what a waste of cash...ronnie is a true gent in my book...

[Coca Cola]

This thread really flies lately, already up to page 25.. wow! No doubt that this thread is truly a great wealth of knowledge that everybody can benefit from!

Thank you so much to Ronnie for creating this thread and sparing his valuable time to help all of us!

[Ronnie Rowland]

my gains have been out of this world..not sure if it be..slingshot training..cycling..diet...or all the bove..i just know ronnie has taught me more legit shit for free than the sum of all trainers i paid money to on line....hell..i have been trained by 2 pros that seemingly knew much less...what a waste of cash...ronnie is a true gent in my book...

I truly appreciate the props and the maturity level everyone has displayed in this thread. Please keep in mind this thread is not about me, it's about you! I want to help out board members to the best of my ability free of charge. Please do not pm me asking to pay money for one on one help because that's not what my participation on this board is about. I continue getting pms from members wanting to pay me for one on one services. I truly appreciate the thought, but just wanted to make it known that am here to provide a free service to those in need. I've been paid money over the past 25 years for being a personal trainer. This board helps me unwind from work! The last thing I want is more stress /work which often occurs when money is involved.

Thanks to everyone,
Ronnie

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, just thought you might like to see the kind of progress I've made using your slingshot method. This photo was taken at the 7 week mark into my first 8 week reload. Thanks for all your sound advice!

I can see the difference! Hard work is paying-off.

[Archangel.]

Ron, what's the best shoulder routine for developing a nice round boulder look to the shoulders and also width? I struggle with my shoulder routine the most and am not as structured with it as I am with the other body parts, thanks

Also, best exercise to develop the upper chest?

Best exercise to develop the lateral head of the triceps?

Best exercise for back width?

Thanks again!